New to At looking to buy a set up

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patagonialukeAIARE courses usually run about $400-$500, but I think CMC actually offers some as credit courses for students so I would definitely recommend looking into that.

Baron's would be ok for inbounds use. I'll let other people chime in who actually use frame bindings but I've found them to be pretty good for simple downhill use in the few days I've had in one. They do have more moving parts though, and I have been out with people where their barons have broken on them.

- I would say mount at recommended.
- If you're comfortable with them on the down they should be fine on the up. It will just be a bit more weight and you might have a bit more difficulty learning to kick-turn
- The Flat-tops have a lot of touring options, and then Cameron Pass is a very good area that is my go-to (I'm in Fort Collins)

supersquidI am kind of a park rat so the only time I would venture out of the park would be on a pow day. So not much hardpack skiing, the main thing would be blasting through crud towards the end of the day when it starts to form. I like to jump off as much stuff as possible and charge some pillow lines (midwest pillow lines are a lot different than what your accustomed to im sure) I already have the barons so the only thing I can change is the ski. And like I said I can cop some used super 7s for 185 so Im probs gonna jump on em, unless someone says not to, but I think they will work for what I want.

patagonialukeI haven't gotten on the Super 7's, but for $185 that sounds like a good starting setup. Do you know which year they are (pre-honecomb topsheet, or red, orange, or blue tips)? And I'm actually also from Wisconsin so I think I know what you mean. The older Super 7 and the newer HD model has a pretty tight turning radius so it should be pretty maneuverable in tight trees which is likely what you'll be skiing out here in the BC and that waist width would be an OK compromise between float and hardpack performance. From what I understand and have heard from others, they are not a hard-charging crud busting ski, given their light weight, heavy tip taper, and small turn radius.

supersquid2015s I believe

patagonialukeAIARE courses usually run about $400-$500, but I think CMC actually offers some as credit courses for students so I would definitely recommend looking into that.

Baron's would be ok for inbounds use. I'll let other people chime in who actually use frame bindings but I've found them to be pretty good for simple downhill use in the few days I've had in one. They do have more moving parts though, and I have been out with people where their barons have broken on them.

- I would say mount at recommended.
- If you're comfortable with them on the down they should be fine on the up. It will just be a bit more weight and you might have a bit more difficulty learning to kick-turn
- The Flat-tops have a lot of touring options, and then Cameron Pass is a very good area that is my go-to (I'm in Fort Collins)

supersquidbump also looking at some surface odysseys. they are 138 in the tip and 98 in the waist. would they be to small for any tours far away from any lift? also would the three stage rocker be weird to try and get a skin to fit?

VailValleySkierMake sure you get tech AT bindings, not frame AT bindings. Yes, they are more expensive, but the performance is 5x better and they are 10x lighter. You'll be able to go touring with frame bindings, but I can assure you won't want to after the first few times. Frame AT bindings also perform like shit, for example my guardians would pop off almost every time I sent a cliff and I had them set at the tightest dins... Now I rock a dynafit tech setup and haven't had any premature ejections when sending it and have been able to get ahead of all my friends when touring thanks to their lightweight construction.


Buy the right gear the first time, so you aren't wasting money and time on the wrong gear like I did.

Dustin.I respectfully disagree my man. I'd never recommend someone go out there looking for a Dynafit Beast when he has no gear/knowledge/experience. He might hate it, and his idea to ease into it and do some slackcountry doesn't warrant that kind of setup. I have taken my heavy setup with Guardian 16's on a 4 day hut trip without issue. Heavy and slow going, but they ski extremely well downhill.

If you really are cranking up the DIN to the max, you may have other issues causing those releases. You should have your DIN set in the mid range of your binding, so if you are crushing a very sturdy 16 DIN binding and apparently need a 21 DIN race binding.....something is wrong or you need to teach me how to Seth Morrison with you.

VailValleySkierThere's a chance I've broken the binding in some way and I'm just too lazy to to check them out as I don't even use them anymore. Still, I've never enjoyed them and wish I never bought them. Ever since I've gotten into tech bindings I don't see a reason to go back, nor a reason for anyone else to ever use frame bindings.

It's not even that much more expensive to get tech bindings anymore. I got mine for literally the same price the Salomon Guardians. Just had to get boots compatible with pins.

Dustin.You probably have a decent point, as the technology bridges the gap it's becoming more and more reasonable to get something good at both. However, at this point I'd tend to send a first timer more towards the downhill side of the gear realm. I have a feeling in a few years I'll likely have a setup like yours when my current setup wears out.