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Salomon sth2 wtr or look pivots

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supersquid
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I found both bindings for $200 and Im torn at what to get. Ive ridden the fks 14 so same as looks and have never touched sth.

Going to put em on some kartels 98's and ride almost exclusively in the park. Any opinions?
Feb 22 2017 9:56PM
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supersquid
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btw they are sth2 16s not 13
Feb 22 2017 9:58PM
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Swandog7
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I have pivot 14s on my old park skis that I put about 115 days on and some summer backyard stuff. Loved my pivots, never had a problem with them, step-in is the biggest complaint id say i have with them.

For the Salomons, I have the 13s on my Bentchetlers which Ive only ridden about 4 days on so far (MN problems), but Ive grown fond of them, I think ill like them more than my Attacks. Id say go for either, it won't make a large difference, both are solid bindings, and are durable.
Feb 22 2017 10:26PM
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Zypher
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I've never personally ridden the STH series of bindings but the pivots seem to be what everybody will probably recommend out of the two. IMO, the attack 13's would be a great choice just because they're light, low, responsive, and way cheaper than $200 bucks haha.
Feb 22 2017 10:28PM
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supersquid
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I have ridden my fks for a while and I like them a little bit, i would like to try something new however and am leaning towards the sth, plus they have a higher Din which is nice because I ski at 12
Feb 22 2017 10:31PM
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Swandog7
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jmellberg800I have ridden my fks for a while and I like them a little bit, i would like to try something new however and am leaning towards the sth, plus they have a higher Din which is nice because I ski at 12


Do it. The Attacks are the best valued binding in the business, but the sth and pivots make me feel like I'm actually locking in unlike the Attack and even the Griffon but thats another story. Do whatever, Ive experimented with bindings and love my pivots and sth the same, its nice to have some variety.
Feb 22 2017 10:47PM
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supersquid
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Swandog7Do it. The Attacks are the best valued binding in the business, but the sth and pivots make me feel like I'm actually locking in unlike the Attack and even the Griffon but thats another story. Do whatever, Ive experimented with bindings and love my pivots and sth the same, its nice to have some variety.



lol mainly staying away from griffons and the entire royal family. the heel peice and rail system develops play in it after a while and is not stable.
Feb 22 2017 10:59PM
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Park.
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Swandog7Do it. The Attacks are the best valued binding in the business, but the sth and pivots make me feel like I'm actually locking in unlike the Attack and even the Griffon but thats another story. Do whatever, Ive experimented with bindings and love my pivots and sth the same, its nice to have some variety.


Curious why you dont feel locked in with the Attacks. I can definitely say I can see where you are coming from with the 13s, but 16s and 18s too?

OP, I have both, and I personally didnt like the sth's (16s). Its not like there is anything wrong with them, but I have always loved the pivot feel, and the tyrolias give me a simliar feel. I say go for them since I think they are more durable than the pivots coming from personal experience.
Feb 22 2017 11:57PM
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Swandog7
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parkplaygroundCurious why you dont feel locked in with the Attacks. I can definitely say I can see where you are coming from with the 13s, but 16s and 18s too?

OP, I have both, and I personally didnt like the sth's (16s). Its not like there is anything wrong with them, but I have always loved the pivot feel, and the tyrolias give me a simliar feel. I say go for them since I think they are more durable than the pivots coming from personal experience.


Im rocking 13s, they just feel rather more noticeably plastic, Im on the 13s but even so. Im not wild about them, the brakes are a mess but I like everything else it has to offer, and the attacks are really good for their value. Something doesn't click for me on attacks. I liked my salomons, they just felt a little better I guess. I see what you are coming from though on the sth 16 feel, I think I just have the same thing but with Attacks.
Feb 23 2017 12:03AM
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supersquid
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went with sths should arrive next wednesday
Feb 23 2017 12:03AM
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JibbaTheHutt
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jmellberg800went with sths should arrive next wednesday


i've been rocking the sth2s for a while now, super solid bindings never had any issues with them whatsoever, will probably stick with atomic/salomon bindings from now on...
Feb 23 2017 12:49AM
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4man
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I had sth and could never seem to completely eliminate vertical play in the toe without cranking the biding down way too much. I'm going with attack 16s for my new set up this week.
Feb 26 2017 9:51AM
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crotchvent
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I've had both and prefer the sth
Feb 26 2017 8:00PM
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Outoftowner
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Good call on the STH2s. I have STH2 16s on both pairs of skis I've got now. Like them a lot.
Feb 26 2017 9:33PM
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qazwsxedc34
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For the value; ALWAYS ATTACK bindings

STH2
Look/FKS

Can't go wrong with any of them, although I like FKS's and Looks the best.
Feb 26 2017 10:52PM
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Muggydude
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Attacks are great, very durable and lightweight. Not fiddly. Maybe slightly less solid feeling than sth2 and pivots (18s)

IMO, pivot 18s get vote for performance, feel, and durability. Downsides are weight, no brake swapping, and pretty much no boot size adjustment (no sharing between two different mondo boots).

Pivot 14 toes can break.

STH2 are great - lightweight, super durable, large adjustment range for boot sizes. Downsides are they're fiddly - have found I need to pay attention to afd height, toe wing width, and forward pressure.


IMO between fks 140 and sth2 16, I'd go STH2 for sure though
Feb 26 2017 10:59PM
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supersquid
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bump reviving this thread because im in need of bindings for some on3p cease and desists (powder skis) should i go pivots or sth2. My sth2 arrive on thursday so i havent been able to ride them yet.
Mar 7 2017 11:26PM
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Muggydude
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Why are you asking this if you already ordered bindings? And the general consensus was they're both good?
Mar 7 2017 11:38PM
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supersquid
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those were for park bindings, this is for some deep powder bindings.
Mar 8 2017 12:06AM
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Muggydude
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Ah I gotcha.

Pivots are a pain to step into in powder, STH2 are much easier. So edge goes to STH2 for powder skis imo
Mar 8 2017 12:09AM
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supersquid
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Never really rode powder before so not entirely sure what to look for in a backcountry binding
Mar 8 2017 12:12AM
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Zypher
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supersquidNever really rode powder before so not entirely sure what to look for in a backcountry binding


Honestly, there's no difference in what bindings you need for powder vs park, the only thing that matters is your skiing style in both.
Mar 8 2017 1:23AM
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Muggydude
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ZypherHonestly, there's no difference in what bindings you need for powder vs park, the only thing that matters is your skiing style in both.


What does skiing style have to do with anything? Skiing ability maybe for din.

I'd say skiing application and skier ability/size is what matters

Again, trying to get your ski on for 5-10 minutes in powder is annoying.

pivots aren't always good park bindings because the brakes can break off if you eject switch and are not cheap to replace
Mar 8 2017 2:36AM
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Zypher
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MuggydudeWhat does skiing style have to do with anything? Skiing ability maybe for din.

I'd say skiing application and skier ability/size is what matters

Again, trying to get your ski on for 5-10 minutes in powder is annoying.

pivots aren't always good park bindings because the brakes can break off if you eject switch and are not cheap to replace


I'm not saying style is everything, I'm just saying skiing in powder doesn't mean you need to find a whole new binding. The fact that you think pivots are a park only binding is laughable. I can name dozens of people I know + pros that use pivots in powder and all it takes is 10 more seconds of dusting off the turntables only if you eject. Besides, having the release of the pivots in vs any other binding is helpful in numerous situations. I personally don't use pivots in powder but just because you and I don't doesn't mean somebody else can't.

OP wanted to know what a good binding for powder was and all I'm trying to say is that any binding is good for any conditon. Some may have their pros and cons but overall they all work.
Mar 8 2017 10:15AM
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crotchvent
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ZypherI'm not saying style is everything, I'm just saying skiing in powder doesn't mean you need to find a whole new binding. The fact that you think pivots are a park only binding is laughable. I can name dozens of people I know + pros that use pivots in powder and all it takes is 10 more seconds of dusting off the turntables only if you eject. Besides, having the release of the pivots in vs any other binding is helpful in numerous situations. I personally don't use pivots in powder but just because you and I don't doesn't mean somebody else can't.

OP wanted to know what a good binding for powder was and all I'm trying to say is that any binding is good for any conditon. Some may have their pros and cons but overall they all work.

Isn't the whole pivots have better elasticity a myth now. I remember seeing a thread where someone(onenerdykid I think) had numbers on how sths have better elasticity.
Mar 8 2017 10:51AM
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Zypher
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crotchventIsn't the whole pivots have better elasticity a myth now. I remember seeing a thread where someone(onenerdykid I think) had numbers on how sths have better elasticity.


Could be possible, I'm just looking at the facts that are readily available.
Mar 8 2017 11:06AM
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Muggydude
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The STH actually do have more elasticity. And no where in my post do I say they're a park only binding. If anything I said they aren't quite as great a park binding because of the brake issue.

Imo big mountain and all mountain and frontside skiing are pivots best application.

That being said my powder skis have pivots on them - I think both pivots and STH2 are great, but STH2 have the edge for powder skiing convenience wise (weight wise too). I'd probably mount them with STH2 if I drilled again.
Mar 8 2017 11:53AM
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