How To-Basic Waxing

The.FishI feel like a lot of kids have extruded bases so doing a thorough wax like is pointless since it lasts like 10 runs. I usually just do a crayon layer and melt it in and scrape every night. Man made snow and extruded bases are not friends.

SofaKingSickthere should be a PSA about extruded bases...things are so fucking stupid

i seriously lose respect for companies that sell a lot of extruded base skis

The.FishI feel like a lot of kids have extruded bases so doing a thorough wax like is pointless since it lasts like 10 runs. I usually just do a crayon layer and melt it in and scrape every night. Man made snow and extruded bases are not friends.

The.FishI feel like a lot of kids have extruded bases so doing a thorough wax like is pointless since it lasts like 10 runs. I usually just do a crayon layer and melt it in and scrape every night. Man made snow and extruded bases are not friends.

The.FishI mean when a ski costs $250 you can't really complain too much.

FKS_HEEL_PIECETitle made me think of this https://www.youtube.com/user/HowToBasic/videos

SofaKingSickAre there skis that are 250 msrp? If so then yeah I guess that has a place. id still prefer to buy old or used sintered base skis tho. Hell I got my park skis for like 300 from the company

Crispy.Watched the firs 15 min then got busy and skimmed through it. Did you scrape at all?

brekkenbozzii found that totally lathering your bases in SWIX wax works pretty well.

DominatorJacquesOld stock new skis can be purchased at slightly above cost as if they don't sell the left overs it's a total loss. There is a certain date when this can occur. These dates are set by the manufactures.

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SofaKingSickRight that's part of what I meant. Way better imo to get ""old"" skis than new extruded base ones. The base isn't what you should be cutting costs on with skis haha

DominatorJacquesThere are many grades and types of sintered base materials. Cost usually reflect the quality of those bases.
As skis change very little from season to season, getting a deal on last years stuff is always a sweet option if you can find one you like in the size you prefer. Sometimes it can't be done. Sometimes you get lucky.

The.FishMy park skis are 1100 "sintered" even though i looked it up and its extruded. My all mountain skis have like 4,000 race base or something high like that.

jackcropper25I drip my wax and in the video he does not but doesn’t explain why. Anyone had any experiences applying wax this way? How is it different, for the better or worse?

DominatorJacquesWell, actually I did. I don't think you listened. Go to 10:00 and listen. If you have any questions after that I will do my best to answer.
You should try it and feel the difference with the first pass of the iron.

jackcropper25Ah cool man thank you so much I missed that part. I’ve always done the drip technique but I’ll have to try this. Cheers

SofaKingSickthere should be a PSA about extruded bases...things are so fucking stupid

i seriously lose respect for companies that sell a lot of extruded base skis

The.FishI mean when a ski costs $250 you can't really complain too much.

No.QuarterExtruded bases definitely have their place, as much as I hate their main downside of just being slow and unwaxable, they are low maintenence, easier to repair, and more durable than a lot of cheaper sintered bases. If I had the option between an extruded base and a ski with a thin low quality sintered base, I'd take the extruded any day of the week, especially at Bridger Bowl where deep coreshots are a daily occurance. And before anyone "corrects" my opinion and fanboys over their ON3P bases, I know a well kept 4001 sintered base will be miles ahead of any of the other options. Maybe it was the construction, or other factors, but I have thoroughly destroyed two pairs of libertys* in three seasons of light use, and worked on many of my friends skis that just peel apart at the base with lower quality sintered, on impacts that my extruded Surfaces would have taken like a champ.
*Disclaimer I know that Liberty uses higher quality bases on a lot of their skis now, which seem a little closer to the 4001 durasurfs on my ON3Ps, which seem to be absolutely indestructible on all but the hardest and sharpest direct hits to rocks.

Thanks Jaques for all of the dope content over the years and for being NS's crazy uncle figure. I have learned a lot of my tuning techniques from you.

A side note, would anyone be interested in a quick tutorial on how to do ptex base "tattoos" on their skis? I've been playing around with ptex filled designs on my extruded bases and they can turn out pretty well with some careful work and a creative mindset.

No.QuarterExtruded bases definitely have their place, as much as I hate their main downside of just being slow and unwaxable, they are low maintenence, easier to repair, and more durable than a lot of cheaper sintered bases. If I had the option between an extruded base and a ski with a thin low quality sintered base, I'd take the extruded any day of the week, especially at Bridger Bowl where deep coreshots are a daily occurance. And before anyone "corrects" my opinion and fanboys over their ON3P bases, I know a well kept 4001 sintered base will be miles ahead of any of the other options. Maybe it was the construction, or other factors, but I have thoroughly destroyed two pairs of libertys* in three seasons of light use, and worked on many of my friends skis that just peel apart at the base with lower quality sintered, on impacts that my extruded Surfaces would have taken like a champ.
*Disclaimer I know that Liberty uses higher quality bases on a lot of their skis now, which seem a little closer to the 4001 durasurfs on my ON3Ps, which seem to be absolutely indestructible on all but the hardest and sharpest direct hits to rocks.

Thanks Jaques for all of the dope content over the years and for being NS's crazy uncle figure. I have learned a lot of my tuning techniques from you.

A side note, would anyone be interested in a quick tutorial on how to do ptex base "tattoos" on their skis? I've been playing around with ptex filled designs on my extruded bases and they can turn out pretty well with some careful work and a creative mindset.

SofaKingSickGreat post. how much money is saved by using an extruded base though? I just don't see why anyone but a beginner would be okay with skimping on that of all things. Of course I feel your point about places like Bridger bowl but then I also think anyone who is putting skis to good use at a place like that should try to cut costs somewhere other than their bases! Haha

DominatorJacquesGood question. For some ski makers you don't save much at all. They sell them just as high. Dynastar for example only uses sintered on their race skis. All the rest are extruded. I got that info from them a few years ago.
For many others one may save around $200.00 to $300.00

If the specs. don't say what the bases are made of be weary. Try to contact them and get an answer. Some will not even answer. If they won't answer that should tell you something.

Not all extrusions are created equal. Some are better than others. Just as sintered, the quality and hardness can vary quite a bit.

SofaKingSickyeah that's what im wondering about. i know that the price doesnt always reflect whether the bases or extruded or sintered so it seems like a weird compromise to make in a lot of cases. if youre buying a cheap price point park ski for a kid or for yourself to destroy, i get that, cause you can get some of those for a steal. but if youre buying a ski that is around the same price as another similar one with a sintered base, it just seems crazy to me, like no one would buy a nice skateboard setup but chose shitty bearings for the same price as good ones

The.FishI feel like a lot of kids have extruded bases so doing a thorough wax like is pointless since it lasts like 10 runs. I usually just do a crayon layer and melt it in and scrape every night. Man made snow and extruded bases are not friends.

frickindarnI broke my thumb a few seasons back lol. I had waxed my armada JJs and throght it would be a blast to run through the fresh man made pile of snow. My skis literally went about 2-3 feet in distance STOPPED I double ejected and put my hands out to stop myself and tore a ligament in my thumb on my left ski pole.

The.Fishwell that shouldnt happen... like ever

frickindarnNo shit. I’m well aware it should happen lol. but it did. It was through the lower part of a51 at keystone 3 seasons back

The.Fishwas it preseason because resorts blow wet snow since it holds better as a base. Wet snow is definitely slower than dry snow.

frickindarnIt was. It happened mid November.

The.Fishconsidering you did it during the day in the preseason, good chance that gun wasn’t even making snow, just slush / gunk. at my resort we crank our water content so high that the snow turns brown since the water is brown from the creek we get it from. We call it the peanut butter since it is so slow and brown.

frickindarnI broke my thumb a few seasons back lol. I had waxed my armada JJs and throght it would be a blast to run through the fresh man made pile of snow. My skis literally went about 2-3 feet in distance STOPPED I double ejected and put my hands out to stop myself and tore a ligament in my thumb on my left ski pole.

The.Fishconsidering you did it during the day in the preseason, good chance that gun wasn’t even making snow, just slush / gunk. at my resort we crank our water content so high that the snow turns brown since the water is brown from the creek we get it from. We call it the peanut butter since it is so slow and brown.

jackcropper25You got any videos for sharpening edges? I just used that new way of waxing and it worked much better.

DominatorJacquesThis series pretty much covers all that. https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/739780/How-To--New-Ski-Tuning--amp--Base-Preparation-Part-1

jackcropper25Sick thanks a lot!

DominatorJacquesWork it! Full on deal here if you have hours! Ha ha https://youtu.be/N_aWiX_fekI

Crispy.Gonna watch this through with dinner tomorrow night!