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Dalbello's hurt, what's my best bet?

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cubber
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Half short story, half cry for help.

I got fitted in Bozeman last march, by the top doggg at chalet sports. I was pretty tired of poor boots so I told the man any price, whatever fits me best, I'll buy.

Landed on KR fusions after a surprisingly short measurement. 100% trusting, I did the heat mold, wore them for a while that evening at the hotel kind of painfully, and the next day they were so tight and painful I couldn't stand.

They've packed out a BIT, 9 months later, but still squeeze the juice out of my toes from the sides, while my heel can lift up a quarter inch.

Ibuprofen keeps me on the hill currently, but is it worth trying to stretch the boot or using footbeds? Otherwise, I tried on HEAD boots, same 3-buckle deal, and there was almost zero movement on like the 2nd buckle notch. I'm tempted to cut my losses and pick up Heads.

Any advice would be super helpful. I like to ski.
Jan 9 2017 4:26PM
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CheddarJack
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Sounds like your boot fitter was drunk... The best fitting boot should not be that uncomfortable lol.

How many times did you heat mold them? Did you crank down the buckles when you did or loosely do it? The tighter you buckle them while heat molding the more room it'll create (increase the volume). So I'd recommend molding them again and cranking those things down. You can mold intuitions pretty much as many times as you want too.

Also, there's a lot more you can do to improve the fit of a ski boot. Go to a shop and tell them your problems and they should be able to work some magic, like give you heel chalks to raise your heel to keep it planted and blow out your sixth toe area. That'll make a huge difference I'm sure. You can also put a bunch of duct tape under your footbed in the heel to lift your heel. I'd actually recommend doing that yourself first.
Jan 9 2017 4:56PM
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oxiclean
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I ended up with the same boot and had similar problems. I started skiing them without footbeds (I know), and now they work quite a bit better. This is hopefully just a temporary solution and I'll eventually get to a boot fitter, as you should too.
Jan 9 2017 5:10PM
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onenerdykid
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cubberHalf short story, half cry for help.

I got fitted in Bozeman last march, by the top doggg at chalet sports. I was pretty tired of poor boots so I told the man any price, whatever fits me best, I'll buy.

Ibuprofen keeps me on the hill currently, but is it worth trying to stretch the boot or using footbeds?.


Honestly, if their top dog put you in a such a tight shell fit without footbeds or shell work, then he doesn't really know his shit, or there is something left out of your story.

In such a tight fit, you will need a good footbed to shorten your foot (hold up your foot so it doesn't elongate and smash into the front of the boot) and then punch out the toe box (and any other spots that are too close to the foot). Maybe 0.5% of the population can ski an aggressively downsized boot out of the box without any boot work done to it.

In short, you need footbeds and you need boot work done. You should go back, explain your story, and see if they are able to do both of these steps. If not, then you need to go elsewhere.
Jan 10 2017 2:48AM
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cubber
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Thanks everyone.
I did leave out some details of the fitting procedure: I tried on the boot shell-only first, and I can't remember what exactly he checked with that. There was room all around though.
Then we stuck rubber pieces to my foot and heat molded the liner, and it seemed nice right away. Maybe an hour later I put it on at the apt and it hurt.

The part that surprised me was how he chose a boot in maybe 5 minutes, then we started heat the liner. I might have been too fired up to get boots though, saying "oh yes these feel gooooood" and whatnot.

At any rate, basically you all agree to get them worked on first, so I'll head to Pinewski's! Huge thanks.
Jan 11 2017 10:04AM
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TNORTS
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I'm on kryptons too. Got fitted and heat molded and everything. They gave me some calf and Achilles pain for about 30 days of skiing. For a while, skiing felt fine, but as soon as I stopped and stood to wait for friends, my calfs and feet were in agony. Now I couldn't be happier. No pain, no shin bang, nothing other than occasional toe bang on hard landings. If you haven't really spent a lot of time on them, I would give em more time. I've had 100+ days in mine
Jan 12 2017 5:58PM
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swisssteeze
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TNORTSI'm on kryptons too. Got fitted and heat molded and everything. They gave me some calf and Achilles pain for about 30 days of skiing. For a while, skiing felt fine, but as soon as I stopped and stood to wait for friends, my calfs and feet were in agony. Now I couldn't be happier. No pain, no shin bang, nothing other than occasional toe bang on hard landings. If you haven't really spent a lot of time on them, I would give em more time. I've had 100+ days in mine


I have had around 15 days on the kryptons up to now. I love how they ski but I do get an annoying amount of toe bang when landing and skiing powder. I was wondering if an insole would help...
The area around my ankle is a bit to tight which I will get fixed but I don't think that's the cause of the toe bang.
Jan 23 2017 8:45AM
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CheddarJack
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swisssteezeI have had around 15 days on the kryptons up to now. I love how they ski but I do get an annoying amount of toe bang when landing and skiing powder. I was wondering if an insole would help...
The area around my ankle is a bit to tight which I will get fixed but I don't think that's the cause of the toe bang.


Did you use a toe cap when you molded your liners (assuming you have intuitions)? They should add just the right amount of room to help prevent toebang. An insole will definitely help too. Any sort of arch support is better than the stock footbed and will prevent your foot from flattening out as much when under compression. I'd recommend starting with a superfeet insole (they're only like $40) and if they don't cut and you have the money, custom footbeds (upwards of $200) are as good as it gets for foot support.
Jan 23 2017 6:24PM
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swisssteeze
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CheddarJackDid you use a toe cap when you molded your liners (assuming you have intuitions)? They should add just the right amount of room to help prevent toebang. An insole will definitely help too. Any sort of arch support is better than the stock footbed and will prevent your foot from flattening out as much when under compression. I'd recommend starting with a superfeet insole (they're only like $40) and if they don't cut and you have the money, custom footbeds (upwards of $200) are as good as it gets for foot support.


I did not have the money to get them molded... not planning on doing so this season either. So I guess an insole is my best bet for the moment?
Jan 24 2017 7:51AM
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onenerdykid
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swisssteezeI did not have the money to get them molded... not planning on doing so this season either. So I guess an insole is my best bet for the moment?


Typically, if you bought the boots from a shop, they should mold the liners for free. If you bought them elsewhere, it tends to cost in the vicinity of 30-40$. Footbeds cost anywhere from 40-200$.

Without footbeds, your feet will smash into the front of the boot. You definitely need these and good ones do a better job. But at the same time, you should get the liners molded because the footbeds change how your foot sits in the boot. Doing both should be on your hit list.
Jan 24 2017 9:15AM
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swisssteeze
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onenerdykidTypically, if you bought the boots from a shop, they should mold the liners for free. If you bought them elsewhere, it tends to cost in the vicinity of 30-40$. Footbeds cost anywhere from 40-200$.

Without footbeds, your feet will smash into the front of the boot. You definitely need these and good ones do a better job. But at the same time, you should get the liners molded because the footbeds change how your foot sits in the boot. Doing both should be on your hit list.


Im not 100% sure if my liners are moldable. The dude at the store I bought them at was really nice. I believe he knew what he was talking about after 2h of testing boots and measuring my feet. He told me to ski them for 2 weeks and then come back for a "free" adjustment. Im not to sure whats included there but I guess I will see. If I can I will do the molding as you said.

But in the end I really cant complain... my foot has a strange shape and the boots were so amazing up to now that I ignored the pain, until I read this thread. Thanks for the advice!

Will give an update after the shopvisit.
Jan 24 2017 9:45AM
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seancullen
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I have had similar problems through all of skiing started off racing at a young age so I was used to jamming my foot into a boot. After ending racing and starting to ski more and more back country i told myself that I was gonna find a boot that fit my extremely awkward foot. Went out and dropped some bills on a pair of Seth Morrison Full Tilts a couple years back and have owned two pairs since then. Boot is super forgiving and the intution liners make the boot even more comfortable and i swear by them. Ontop of great performance the boot is overall extremely comfortable whether it comes to hiking line or simply walking back to my car of a hard day of skiing. Definitely on the pricier side as boots go but the best out there

Also try adding a Booster Strap increases performance and overall performance of the boot
Jan 25 2017 1:17PM
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swisssteeze
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onenerdykidTypically, if you bought the boots from a shop, they should mold the liners for free. If you bought them elsewhere, it tends to cost in the vicinity of 30-40$. Footbeds cost anywhere from 40-200$.

Without footbeds, your feet will smash into the front of the boot. You definitely need these and good ones do a better job. But at the same time, you should get the liners molded because the footbeds change how your foot sits in the boot. Doing both should be on your hit list.


Good news! I went to shop and they gave me custom footbeds for free. I was shocked when skiing the first day due to my ankle having a very painful pressure spot. I did not touch with my toes anymore whatsoever. I just went wit the pain which got less every day i skied. After 6 days with the new insole the boot seems to have "adjusted" itself to my new foot position. I still feel a little bit of pressure at my ankle but the pain is fully gone. Super happy on having comfy feet now!
Feb 20 2017 3:53AM
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Scoops1415
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I snowboard
Feb 20 2017 9:42AM
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tomatonater
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Get full tilys
Feb 20 2017 6:23PM
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qazwsxedc34
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Have them file the shell. Seems like the are not wide enough,
Feb 20 2017 6:43PM
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