What to expect when switching from a rocker ski to full camber

You can't have a surfy full camber ski. That's just life, you can compromise but then your looking at something just like your filthy riches or you could get a 2 different skis. But no as far as surfy full camber skis I'm 99% sure nothing exists.

Side note, I'd just find a style/feel of ski you like and build your personal style around that and do what works for you. Example I learned to butter and play on stiff and rockered skis (moment night trains), I bought a pair of lines thinking they would make butters easier but I almost had to relearn how to do it from scratch because it felt so different

I feel like chiming in here with my 2¢. I've been on JJ's for the past 7 seasons. Short effective edge with both rocker in the tips and tails. I got so used to skiing with a "loose tail" that now that I am on the Fischer Ranger 108's I am having a difficult time ditching speed by slashing sideways. The longer effective edge and essentially no rocker in the tail has made the adjustment harder than I was anticipating. I'm not going to lie - I completely miss my old JJ's.

Narrow cambered park skis are awesome. Maybe a little bit of low rocker (like 10%) for not catching your edge on weird landings/reverts/takeoffs. I don't understand rockered park skis. Unless you are exclusively doing park laps on small features.

My current park ski is a k2 poacher. It's definitely too wide for my tastes, but i'm running it as an all mtn ski as well. It's OK. I prefer the old rossi scratch (before it got rockered)

In general, a cambered ski is less forgiving than a rockered ski and can be driven harder. I find that you can still 'surf' cambered skis, but it takes a lot more effort. Unless you're gonna be going of some massive jumps, I would stick with what you have.

Have had lots of full chambered skis over the years including a few pairs of Volkl Walls and still have some but now have some rocker/camber skis including the Framewalls. As others have said, it's difficult to get that surfy feel with a full camber ski but it is possible by detuning tip/tail or a better way is to put larger base edge angles tip and tail(1.5 degree vs the regular 1 for example). This way you have to put the ski more on edge in order to engage it and it won't catch when you don't want it to.

I actually prefer the Framewalls to the Volkl Walls because they both have stiff camber mid sections for great carving and ice grip, playful tip and tails but with the very slight tip/tail rocker on the Framewalls, they are less catchy and more "surfy" when you want. Both are fantastic skis but the Framewall is closer to what you are used to but with improved carving and hard snow performance to your current skis.

cdblu_freeskiYou can't have a surfy full camber ski. That's just life, you can compromise but then your looking at something just like your filthy riches or you could get a 2 different skis. But no as far as surfy full camber skis I'm 99% sure nothing exists.

Side note, I'd just find a style/feel of ski you like and build your personal style around that and do what works for you. Example I learned to butter and play on stiff and rockered skis (moment night trains), I bought a pair of lines thinking they would make butters easier but I almost had to relearn how to do it from scratch because it felt so different

Im not looking for a surfy camber ski, I am thinking of making the switch from surfy to stiff and cambered. I live in the midwest and like i said I want to improve my jumps this year. Rockered skis sometimes have trouble biting into icy takeoffs. Im thinking that a cambered comp style ski is the answer but Ive never had or ridden any. Im currently looking at volkl wall, head framewall, and salomon nfx. I plan on buying some new bindings and am gonna try the salomon sth2 16. pairing this set up with a salomon boot just not sure on what flex/ model.

All 3 skis you are looking at would be excellent hard snow/ice park skis with the Framewall having easier turn initiation and less chance of your tips catching with that slight rocker.

Another possible reason for any ski to feel unstable/wandering and not have great edge grip on harder snow is the flatness of the ski base. If the ski is base high and not making proper contact with the base and edge on the snow, it could be a full chamber ski yet be super unstable and bad on ice.
My last 7 pairs of twin tip skis have been base high and getting a proper base grind even on brand new skis can make a world of difference to a ski.

My rocker/camber skis have fantastic edge grip and are very stable after ensuring a flat base.
If I were you, I'd get the bases checked and stone ground if needed as that might be the $20 solution to your edge grip and stability issues.
If you're still unsatified, then look at new skis like the ones you mentioned as they are all great on ice once properly tuned.

Greg_KAll 3 skis you are looking at would be excellent hard snow/ice park skis with the Framewall having easier turn initiation and less chance of your tips catching with that slight rocker.

Another possible reason for any ski to feel unstable/wandering and not have great edge grip on harder snow is the flatness of the ski base. If the ski is base high and not making proper contact with the base and edge on the snow, it could be a full chamber ski yet be super unstable and bad on ice.
My last 7 pairs of twin tip skis have been base high and getting a proper base grind even on brand new skis can make a world of difference to a ski.

My rocker/camber skis have fantastic edge grip and are very stable after ensuring a flat base.
If I were you, I'd get the bases checked and stone ground if needed as that might be the $20 solution to your edge grip and stability issues.
If you're still unsatified, then look at new skis like the ones you mentioned as they are all great on ice once properly tuned.[/

Surface one lifes are not a jump ski anyways. As for the momen vice ill check out a base grind. Since they are pretty much all rocker though most of the contact is made underfoot which is detuned for rails. With camber skis I should be able to keep them detuned underfoot while still keeping the edges farther up and down on the ski sharpened to maintain some grip.

Never used the Framewalls. I have skied the walls and i love those skis. I would personally recommend the Heads since ive had amazig experiences with their skis on top of them being the second most durable skis ive used from a big brand ( behind k2s). Armada arv 86 is also a good option or even the AR8 which after seeing them in person may be the single best pair of cambered skis ive ever touched. I havent gotten on a pair but the flex alone and just how they feel... Armada made a fucking work of art with those things.

Even with detuning the center of the skis for rails, a base grind would help stability and edge hold of any ski. You will have to redo the base, side edges and detune where you want after but most people are shocked at the difference as most skis are shipped base high to pivot and spin easier at the cost of edge hold and stability. Race skis are shipped better prepped but park skis always seem to be base high and/or have very large base edge angles in my experience.

The biggest change for a person switching from skis with rocker to full chamber is the hold the tips and tails will have when pivoting a turn. One person's "great grip" is another person's "annoying and grabby". I found that I like to slightly detune with gummy stone the full camber skis tips and tails and/or maybe introduce larger base angles so that the ski doesn't grab during speed scrubbing type turns. I tune a lot of skis and most people do not enjoy skiing on perfectly flat, full camber skis sharp tip to tail. They find them too grabby and tiring to ski.

When switching from my base flat/full sharp Head Venturi 95 skis which have 60% camber/40% Rocker to the tip/tail detuned full camber skis like the Volkl Walls or my Head SBC79(Head The Show with no Rocker) I found it took a few hours to get used to them. They carve and grip great but still a touch grabby and found they were more tiring to ski on. I just got an insane deal on the Head Framewalls a few weeks ago I couldn't pass up. These are tuned sharp tip to tail with a flat base and I am used to them within a run or two without them feeling grabby yet still having insane ice grip and are very stable at 60 mph. I have since sold my Volkl Walls and Head SBC79 skis because the Framewall handles hard pack snow and ice as well as those skis yet is easier to ski.

There is a definite reason all manufactures are moving to slight rockers tip and tail on skis. They allow great edge hold yet and easy to ski.

Surface Auburn. You won't find a lighter ski. If you like your vices, you should like the auburns. To give you a comparison they basically feel like a full camber, lighter vice with the contact points moved to the tips. They also feel a little stiffer but part of that is due to the lack of rocker. Swing weight is perfect for tech rail tricks and getting after it on jumps. Durability is good, top sheets chip if you aren't careful. Honestly such a fun ski to rip groomers with too, so responsive and hold an edge on everything. They like to go fast to say the least