I don't get this at all. I'm not about to go burn any flags, and some of the "I'm gonna burn a flag on instragram" people are annoying, but it doesn't bother me.
We seem to care more about the precious flag than the country sometimes.
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milk_manWait, I'm confused.. My grandma doesn't own any store? My aunt owns a small ski area though
californiagrownWhatever. Older female relative haha.
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milk_manYeah a $10 minimum wage would probably be fine. I'm not saying that any increase is terrible. I was mostly addressing $15/hour. That's absurd.
onenerdykidWell, given that the buying power that minimum wage has today, it should be near $12 an hour according to the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/23/5-facts-about-the-minimum-wage/
Also, the buying power of minimum wage was in its highest in 1968, when it was $1.60 an hour. Adjusted for inflation, that would be equivalent to $10.90 today.
http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/facts/entry/amount-with-inflation/
Today's minimum wage is an absolute joke given the cost of goods/living today. Now I totally agree that people ought to buy the proper things and budget their money accordingly, but they do need to have the proper wage and education in order to realize that.
onenerdykidWell, given that the buying power that minimum wage has today, it should be near $12 an hour according to the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/23/5-facts-about-the-minimum-wage/
Also, the buying power of minimum wage was in its highest in 1968, when it was $1.60 an hour. Adjusted for inflation, that would be equivalent to $10.90 today.
http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/facts/entry/amount-with-inflation/
Today's minimum wage is an absolute joke given the cost of goods/living today. Now I totally agree that people ought to buy the proper things and budget their money accordingly, but they do need to have the proper wage and education in order to realize that.
S.J.Wthey're not demanding 15 dollars an hour because McDonalds work is hard. They're demanding 15 an hour because if at the current rate of inflation the minimum wage would be 18 dollars an hour. See the dilemma here?
S.J.WHere's a case study from Seattle after they raised the minimum wage. http://evans.uw.edu/sites/default/files/MinWageReport-July2016_Final.pdf
spark notes.
minimum wage employment rose by 3%.
milk_manI wish I could share Excel files on here. Last semester for macroeconomics I calculated into today's dollars minimum wage for every year since it started (1938). Super interesting..
But wouldn't it seem fair to take the average minimum wage in today's dollars and go from there? I understand buying power and such, but to go above and beyond the highest it has ever been seems a bit excessive.
onenerdykidI'll give your file a look, sounds interesting.
If we want to talk about fair, is it fair that the average S&P 500 CEO makes over 200 times that of their median worker? The fairness question swings both ways. Siphoning the lion's share of revenue for the top only isn't exactly fair either. These companies generate way more than enough money for CEOs to be assuredly rich without having to pay their workers a barely livable wage. This extends to many (not all) businesses outside of the corporate arena as well.
milk_manHere's something to think about.. Do you know about what a CEO can be held accountable for? They can go to jail if people in their business are breaking the law. They have a huge responsibility, and that's part of the reason they get paid a lot. An average worker won't go to jail unless they are the one committing the crime. The CEO is held accountable--they have to make sure everyone is doing the right thing. So in a way, yeah, it is fair
onenerdykidI'll give your file a look, sounds interesting.
If we want to talk about fair, is it fair that the average S&P 500 CEO makes over 200 times that of their median worker? The fairness question swings both ways. Siphoning the lion's share of revenue for the top only isn't exactly fair either. These companies generate way more than enough money for CEOs to be assuredly rich without having to pay their workers a barely livable wage. This extends to many (not all) businesses outside of the corporate arena as well.
onenerdykidI totally agree that a CEO should be paid more than other workers, I just think they should be paid more fairly. To think that they should be paid between 200-1,200 times more is absolutely not fair for a job they voluntarily signed up for. Sure there are consequences in such a job and I think they should be fairly compensated for such consequences. I just disagree that it is currently fair.
milk_manHere's something to think about.. Do you know about what a CEO can be held accountable for? They can go to jail if people in their business are breaking the law. They have a huge responsibility, and that's part of the reason they get paid a lot. An average worker won't go to jail unless they are the one committing the crime. The CEO is held accountable--they have to make sure everyone is doing the right thing. So in a way, yeah, it is fair
milk_manBut wouldn't it seem fair to take the average minimum wage in today's dollars and go from there? I understand buying power and such, but to go above and beyond the highest it has ever been seems a bit excessive.
californiagrownThe executives are the ones directly responsible for the financial well being of the company. If under an execs watch, the company makes a 500 million dollar profit, that exec deserves a large chunk of it. It's not like these folks lucked into the job- they are super smart hyper-driven people that worked decades to get into that position.
People should be paid commensurate with their worth, and I think the bonus structures negotiated in their contracts reflect that. In general, their salaries are fairly low... and unless they are profitable their bonuses won't be much either.
onenerdykidI totally agree that a CEO should be paid more than other workers, I just think they should be paid more fairly. To think that they should be paid between 200-1,200 times more is absolutely not fair for a job they voluntarily signed up for. Sure there are consequences in such a job and I think they should be fairly compensated for such consequences. I just disagree that it is currently fair.
J.D.If companies could actually get someone capable to do the job well who was willing to do it for far less money, they would. I'm sure you'd take a job as CEO of some company for $250k per year, right? That probably wouldn't work out too well for the company, though.
J.D.Your article is neither a counterpoint nor a rebuttal. You're just relying on a number that seems crazy to you (200 times the median worker's salary) to justify your intuition that it's a matter of "greed". The CEO doesn't set the CEO's salary; there's a compensation committee that does that and the CEO isn't present at any of those meetings. Again, if the company could get a good CEO for 1/100th of the price and save millions in salary expense, do you think for even a second that they wouldn't do that? The reason they don't is that this is what the best people in the world to run a company actually cost. If you won't pay them that amount, someone else will.
The issue is that there are thousands and thousands of people who can do the job of the median worker just about as well as the median worker can. There are only a handful who can do the CEO's job as well as the CEO (otherwise the CEO gets fired pretty quickly), and the company is generally trying to change that number from "a handful" to "no one". They want the absolute best person, and so does every other company... so the best person ends up costing a lot of money.
J.D.Your article is neither a counterpoint nor a rebuttal. You're just relying on a number that seems crazy to you (200 times the median worker's salary) to justify your intuition that it's a matter of "greed". The CEO doesn't set the CEO's salary; there's a compensation committee that does that and the CEO isn't present at any of those meetings. Again, if the company could get a good CEO for 1/100th of the price and save millions in salary expense, do you think for even a second that they wouldn't do that? The reason they don't is that this is what the best people in the world to run a company actually cost. If you won't pay them that amount, someone else will.
The issue is that there are thousands and thousands of people who can do the job of the median worker just about as well as the median worker can. There are only a handful who can do the CEO's job as well as the CEO (otherwise the CEO gets fired pretty quickly), and the company is generally trying to change that number from "a handful" to "no one". They want the absolute best person, and so does every other company... so the best person ends up costing a lot of money.
onenerdykidIf there is a huge profit that is made, it is more a result of the people below them creating the right products at the right margin with the right marketing, etc. etc.
onenerdykidBut people seem to have no problem saying that an easily replaceable worker should never get paid more than 10$ an hour but somehow a CEO getting paid 156 million dollars a year is absolutely ok. I do find that line of thought extraordinarily odd.
californiagrownWhy is that. Obviously you do not believe in first amendment rights i guess, huh. Don't infringe on another person's rights.
Twinjibber77Cause mama didn't raise no beeeeeeeeeeiiiitch.
californiagrownIdk bout that. You seem selfishishly only worried bout ypurself and your situation. Likely because you know you need every advantage possible in order to live a marginally successful life.