Revision Messed Up

Swandog7Doest anyone know if Bockmeister has any info on anything that we don't? Not saying she's tied with the company, I believe she did do a few graphics and maybe wants to chime in?

iggyskierYeah....http://www.skis.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-Skis-Site/default/Search-Show?simplesearch=Search&q=revision

Coincidentally, skis.com is a Michigan company.

VanMelleI HIGHLY doubt she has any additional info, when all the skiers they support have ZERO contact or information.

I was one of the few who had a direct relationship with Bill (not tied to revision) and have ZERO additional information. He won't respond to any of my texts or emails either.

He's a really good dude who I've known for over 5 years, and one that I never thought would do anything like this which is why is so disheartening to not know the explanation of it all. I was waiting for him to come out and say "hey we messed up big time and we know it, we'll refund everyone their money" or something like that. Unfortunately we may never know the real story behind all of this.

**This post was edited on Jul 2nd 2017 at 11:38:22pm

RparrIt's a conspiraski

hemlockjibber8Might it be a case of depression, mental health, family crisis? It's hard not to roast someone when they bone so many people and don't say anything except enough to fuck over people's CC claims, but what is the story behind Bill?

iggyskierYeah....http://www.skis.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-Skis-Site/default/Search-Show?simplesearch=Search&q=revision

Coincidentally, skis.com is a Michigan company.

a_burgerI contacted them, and their ski buyer responded saying that they got the skis from a 3rd party liquidator and typically this means the "brand had not paid the production and/or warehousing bills for [the skis], but we never know the exact circumstance"

So it sounds like they never paid the manufacturer to begin with.

iggyskierThe one thing I will add, as a ski manufacture, is that we never ship skis overseas if payment has not been made in full. I highly doubt the factory in China would ship the skis to the US without payment. Given the custom documents that are available online, you can see the info for the ski shipment that came over in Feb and the receiving company was Revision, so I doubt that would be the case if it was a 3rd party liquidator.

SharkoSo are you thinking Bill sold all the remaining stock to skis.com to get back some cash?

iggyskierYeah....http://www.skis.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-Skis-Site/default/Search-Show?simplesearch=Search&q=revision

Coincidentally, skis.com is a Michigan company.

iggyskierHonestly, most of what I could add here would be either rumor or conjecture and I don't feel that is appropriate. I am only comfortable sharing what I know for sure, which is from seeing a custom document for a sizeable shipment of skis around mid-February. I don't know anything else about Revision or what happened to those skis once they got into the US, except that it appears about 50% of them ended up for sale at Skis.com, based upon the quantities Skis.com is listing and the details of the custom document.

Besides that, your guess is as good as mine.

SofaKingSickDamn good prices. Might have to grab a pair

J_ChristophBuddy of mine busted two pair in a season..

iggyskierHonestly, most of what I could add here would be either rumor or conjecture

theabortionatorJuly and still no deetz?

Fuck. The old NS would have had his adresses, social security, pictures, bank account info, travel itinerary, etc by now.

Very dissapoint.

theabortionatorJuly and still no deetz?

Fuck. The old NS would have had his adresses, social security, pictures, bank account info, travel itinerary, etc by now.

Very dissapoint.

angrygrampshttps://www.pinkbike.com/news/pinkbike-went-to-taiwan-and-started-a-bike-company.html?utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=We+Went+to+Start+a+Bike+Company+in+Taiwan+the+New+Santa+Cruz+Nomad+Affordable+SRAM+GX+and+More%21

not the same industry but relevant

TheClap.Not really at all

angrygrampsThanks for your helpful insight. Care to explain?

TheClap.How to start a company possibly, aka just go to a trade show VS. Actually build a company and actually sell shit just to fuck people over a few years later

angrygrampsdid you totally miss the part about how hard it is to work with these overseas factories and get a decent product? That directly relates. Also revision likely started exactly like that-a guy went to a trade show thinking "how hard can it be?" And was too thick to to know that the answer is pretty damn hard

TheClap.Yes I did watch the whole thing and yes it not relate. Reread the thread and how revision started making skis, they were sketchy from the beginning

angrygrampsDude I fucking understand the situation. In fact I still havnt gotten a set that I ordered and likely never will. I also have a set of the first years model so I'd say I'm pretty well aware of the company history. I can see the thought process now " let me invest 4 years of my life, lie to friends and family and customers, make skis, find investors, make sure I can never work in the ski industry again, and assemble a huge team, just to scam what is likely less than 100k in sales from the least profitable and smallest part of skiing"

He screwed us and needs to answer for it but there are easier ways to full on scam people out of a lot more money.

TheClap.He found some suckas and licked them

Revision skis = Blac chyna

angrygrampsAnd like blac chyna revision can also can fuck off into oblivion

But seriously revision wasn't started as a scam. It became one once bill realized he was fucked and in stead of coming clean he took the money and ran

TheClap.how revision started

iggyskierWhat he is referring to is a rumor related to these specific words. Sounds like a lot more info is gonna drop early this week...

VanMelle100% was not started as a scam, nor do I believe that was ever the intent,

got in too deep and couldn't get back out is the most likely scenario without going bankrupt and losing everything he had.

VanMelle100% was not started as a scam, nor do I believe that was ever the intent, as Bill spent a lot of money on marketing and advertising. Dan Brown and the NS crew can back up that he did indeed spend money on this site at least. He hooked a ton of riders up with skis and spent even more money on building a following internationally.

Like Iggy said earlier, got in too deep and couldn't get back out is the most likely scenario without going bankrupt and losing everything he had. At this point he is probably trying to get back to a spot where he can fulfill all orders and simply fade out by selling off all remaining stock without saying much. Will he take the money and run? Idk, maybe...But I do know Bill was a good dude with the right intentions when Revision started. Still holding out hope he at least gives everyone their skis that they paid for.

Gman094http://kdvr.com/2017/07/06/bbb-issues-warning-against-littleton-based-revision-skis/

Sklarhttps://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/The-Rise-Fall-Revision-Skis

iggyskierThat said, Revision was set up as a corporation - thus the owner's personal assets are protected from any creditors of the corporation. So, even worse case scenario for the business - declaring bankruptcy - leaves the company's owners/officers personal assets protected (as they should be because you could never get people to start businesses without that protection - this applies to LLC's too).

BASEDJAHIt sounds like the whole issue was with the factory and it got handled in a terrible way. I work with a guy who has done stuff for jibberish and saga and he's always stressing how important it is to have shit straight with the people who are actually making your product.

**This post was edited on Jul 10th 2017 at 3:26:24pm