Climate change

TheDoughAbidesHa, no wonder you deny climate change. University of Phoenix and DeVry don't count, guy.

TheDoughAbidesCampeador went to community college. He's very insecure about it, too.

milk_manWhat's so bad about community college? I graduated from one and now I'm going to a university, there isn't a huge difference in quality to be honest

Profahoben_212There is nothing bad about them. Take your basics at a CC and transfer to a uni to get the rest of your degree. You'll save thousands upon thousands. I don't understand why people don't do that

milk_manAgain, do you know how to read? I don't deny climate change. I deny the idea that it is mostly man made.

Online classes are a joke, by the way. I take all my classes on campus unless they are only online.

Profahoben_212There is nothing bad about them. Take your basics at a CC and transfer to a uni to get the rest of your degree. You'll save thousands upon thousands. I don't understand why people don't do that

milk_manI don't deny climate change. I deny the idea that it is mostly man made.

Online classes are a joke, by the way. I take all my classes on campus unless they are only online.

milk_manAgain, do you know how to read? I don't deny climate change. I deny the idea that it is mostly man made.

Online classes are a joke, by the way. I take all my classes on campus unless they are only online.

S.J.WJust curious, if you had cancer, and there was 100 doctors. 18 of them said the cancer won't kill you and do nothing about it, the remaining 82 said have the cancer removed before it spreads and causes more damage. What would you do? I mean you're not a doctor, you don't specialize in cancer, in the same way you're not a scientitist and don't special in climate change.

milk_manDepends on what the risks of the surgery were. (What are the risks of dropping fossil fuels urgently, right now). The risks are huge. Energy would be extremely expensive and people could very well die

I do really like the analogy though, it makes a guy think about it

californiagrownBecause you can get scholarships to nullify the cost difference, and you won't have wasted two years of your life living in the same town, around the same people, doing the same things. I would have hated it, from what I have heard from friends and aquaintences.

I found college to be just as much about the social education as academic.

TheDoughAbidesScholarships

Profahoben_212Well yeah duh if you have the scholarships to go to a uni for the same price then you 100 should.

There are plenty of people in the world that a cc is a valid use...can't get scholarships/can't afford a uni/ whatever else

Also you are allowed to go to a cc somewhere else than your hometown lol. There are plenty of ccs in and around the mountains that you can meet awesome people at.

californiagrownI had a 3.1 out of high school and had 20k in scholarships... because I applied for any and all whether I qualified or not. People apparently just sit there with there thumb up there ass waiting to be given money haha.

And going somewhere out of the area for CC raises the cost, no? Can't stay at mom's and eat her food any more. That is typically one of the biggest cost savings of a CC.

There are lots of ways to skin the college cat. If you are smart and can work fairly hard, non of it is cost prohibitive.

milk_manDepends on what the risks of the surgery were. (What are the risks of dropping fossil fuels urgently, right now). The risks are huge. Energy would be extremely expensive and people could very well die

I do really like the analogy though, it makes a guy think about it

californiagrownThe risk of surgery in this case would be a bit of pain for a week, and then an inconvenience for a month or two after.

Not a big risk...

milk_manIt sounds easy but there's so many logistical factors that hold us back and will continue to hold us back

californiagrownInterstate highway system

Man on the moon

Manhattan project


All more difficult, more expensive, and more logistics involved. Americans just aren't motivated. We are too damn comfortable and entitled.

milk_manRebuilding the electric grid from the ground up is way more complicated than probably all those. How do you rebuild something when people's lives depend on it? How do you rebuild it without interrupting entire cities' daily lives

californiagrownYou are acting like they shut down all roads whilst building the interstate highway system lol.

You build the infrastructure alongside the existing and then put it online once ready. Not that tough of a concept.

Stop thinking its all or nothing tomorrow. No one thinks that is feasible. Use some common sense please.

milk_manUmm you can redirect traffic to other roads but you can't redirect electricity to different parts of the grid to get to a specific location.. so that analogy doesn't work..

Yeah that could work. Well the way they talk about it ( just read an article in Time magazine) they make it seem extremely dire, but then they're all of a sudden over it.. I thought scare tactics were bad and that it's kind of like taking advantage of people

californiagrownOh for fucks sake it works exactly the same way. You build the infrastructure, and then open it to service incrementally as it gets built. The new ties in to the old through temporary adapters, until the next leg of the system is built. This is literally how highways are built. What are the issues you have with this? Staging is a very basic construction concept. It's the same way all of our communication infrastructure has been built.

I don't know what the second part of your comment is in reference to.

milk_manIf it's that easy I don't understand why we aren't doing it? Because we have to upgrade/rebuild our grid before it can handle the extra load of a substantial amount of electric cars

Profahoben_212Yeah I will definitely agree with that. Going out of state does raise cost. But I know people that come to truckee meadows cc and take classes for super cheap, and just take a few classes while they gain residency in NV. Then they transfer to UNR...it's an alright system...because the largest scholarships(wue) won't allow you to become a resident. There's situations where it works out well...but I see where you are coming from

milk_manRebuilding the electric grid from the ground up is way more complicated than probably all those. How do you rebuild something when people's lives depend on it? How do you rebuild it without interrupting entire cities' daily lives

milk_manUmm you can redirect traffic to other roads but you can't redirect electricity to different parts of the grid to get to a specific location.. so that analogy doesn't work..

Yeah that could work. Well the way they talk about it ( just read an article in Time magazine) they make it seem extremely dire, but then they're all of a sudden over it.. I thought scare tactics were bad and that it's kind of like taking advantage of people

californiagrownOh for fucks sake it works exactly the same way. You build the infrastructure, and then open it to service incrementally as it gets built. The new ties in to the old through temporary adapters, until the next leg of the system is built. This is literally how highways are built. What are the issues you have with this? Staging is a very basic construction concept. It's the same way all of our communication infrastructure has been built.

I don't know what the second part of your comment is in reference to.

LonelyMy hometown is host to one of the largest Wind Farms in Michigan. It was put in a couple years ago and includes 58 turbines, each 500ft in height scattered around a rural area. It is a 100 Mega Watt facility and was extremely controversial given that it is conservative and rural. Before I moved I had one 30ft past my property line, so I can speak from experience.

These things are massive, and needed a lot of infrastructure (substations, access roads, etc.) to be put up and connected to the grid. In the first year the substations, power-lines, and access roads were all built and updated. The year after the foundations for all of the turbines were built. In the third year all 58 500ft turbines were put up.

Do you want to know what my biggest inconvenience was? Twice power was cut to my house for about an hour when they were moving the 800ft crane and had to cut power-lines. In the fourth year the came online.

Besides some crazys claiming they got cancer from the turbines, or that the flicker was giving them headaches ( the turbines have cameras that position them in ways so they don't produce flicker on homes) everything has been fine. This was a rural area with outdated infrastructure that was completely revamped with little to no inconveniences.

I think any argument that it would be to difficult to revamp the system is an ignorant and defeatist opinion and is the reason why we are facing issues in our country.

/rant

TheDoughAbidesAre you an electrical engineer?

milk_manNope, are you?

milk_manRebuilding the electric grid from the ground up is way more complicated than probably all those.

californiagrownYou are acting like they shut down all roads whilst building the interstate highway system lol.

You build the infrastructure alongside the existing and then put it online once ready. Not that tough of a concept.

Stop thinking its all or nothing tomorrow. No one thinks that is feasible. Use some common sense please.

TheDoughAbidesNope, but I don't make stupid claims about rebuilding the electrical grid as if I was one either.

milk_manStill don't really know what you mean by building the infrastructure alongside existing infrastructure. Let's talk about overhead power lines, or a substation. Build the power lines right next to the existing one? Does that work? Or take a completely different route with the new one?

milk_manThen you probably can't make claims about the invalidity of my thoughts either hahah

TheDoughAbidesWhy? Because I'm not an electrical engineer? Community college failed you milk_man, dismally.

milk_manI went to and graduated from community college in my junior and senior year of high school, and now I'm attending a 4 year school. Community college > high school. So what's your point? How many college credits did you complete in high school?

TheDoughAbidesI attended a college prep school. Every credit I took as an upperclassman was either AP or dual enrollment credit with an esteemed university lol...

What's my point, though? My point is that your feeble response to being deflated by the fact that you entirely lack authority on this subject exemplified your inability to engage in intelligent debate.

Good night, Milk_man. For your sake, I hope the institution you currently attend is not-for-profit.

milk_manI think there should be a general rule of hierarchy that you cannot speak condescendingly toward someone unless you have a higher ACT score than them. I'm guessing if that was a rule no one would be condescending to anyone

brotoHahaha you're kidding, right? No one can be this stupid

milk_manSo sick of people who go to an expensive school and think they're smarter than everyone else. Oh boy you either have rich parents or have tons of debt good for you! See how much your employer cares.. unless you're going to cornell or something it really doesn't matter

californiagrownStill doesn't really matter actually.

But we all think you're dumber than everyone because of the things you type, not the school you went to.

milk_manDumb in what way? Scientific reasoning? What defines this? Your opinion.. Newschoolers' opinion as a whole? Surely your guys' opinions are more legitimate than my standardized test score which is way above the national average? Yeah, that definitely means nothing. You're right man

californiagrownReread above for why we think what we think. If you can't understand it still, idk what to tell you.

milk_manYou think what you think because of bits of information on the internet. I scored 30 on the science portion of the ACT. I am perfectly capable of understanding these theories and ideas being put forth. I'm perfectly capable of understanding the arguments you put forth. I am not inherently dumb because my ideas don't make sense to you. I'm not calling you dumb just because you believe things I don't? Probably some correlation here....

milk_manYou think what you think because of bits of information on the internet. I scored 30 on the science portion of the ACT. I am perfectly capable of understanding these theories and ideas being put forth. I'm perfectly capable of understanding the arguments you put forth. I am not inherently dumb because my ideas don't make sense to you. I'm not calling you dumb just because you believe things I don't? Probably some correlation here....

californiagrownLol, you are using test scores from junior year in high school as evidence of how smart and capable you are. You don't see the irony there at all?

.MASSHOLE.Lol. The ACT means jack shit son. Maybe the MCAT or PCAT may help you prove the point about test scores and intelligence, but until then the ACT is just another standardized test that means very little when it comes to actual intelligence. And this is coming from someone who did a hell of a lot better than 30 on the science section.

The thing is, everyone here has repeatedly shown you that you're going against scientific consensus, against people whose careers are dedicated to this VERY topic.

milk_manWhat did you score on it? I took it last December, because I had to.

californiagrownUgh. You still don't get it huh?

milk_manHaha.. I would take those too if I had to. I guarantee I would do very well. Yeah, then what did you get on the science section? Because 30 is like 95th percentile.

milk_manNo, I will never understand judgments of someone's intelligence based on subjective opinions likely influenced by groupthink.

milk_manI would take those too if I had to.

.MASSHOLE.You're going to take the MCAT?

milk_manI'm gonna take this real slow. I said "if I had to." Meaning that I don't have to, and won't take them. I'm a business finance major. No, I am not going to take the MCAT. But if I had to, I would.

Nice job tho! And I really mean that. It does mean a lot actually. It shows that you and your brother are intelligent.

milk_manI'm gonna take this real slow. I said "if I had to." Meaning that I don't have to, and won't take them. I'm a business finance major. No, I am not going to take the MCAT. But if I had to, I would.

Nice job tho! And I really mean that. It does mean a lot actually. It shows that you and your brother are intelligent.