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November 8th. Who gets your vote? I would also like a "why" as to who you're voting for, but I understand that you may not even want to share this information. DON'T KEEP IT CIVIL, SPEAK YOUR MIND
S.J.WDid you not hear about Trump saying he would bomb the shit out of ISIS and allow BP and other to drill for oil. Not bomb the shit out of ISIS because ISIS is bad, but because we need oil. Sounds pretty imperial to me.
You really don't know much do you?
Not to mention all the times Trump says we shouldve taken Iraq's oil when we left. However, Trump allowing BP to drill isnt a bad thing imo since its about time we start taking advantage of all the energy resources in our country. Still voting for trump since this country cant take another 4 years of creeping closer to socialism.
I just don't see how anyone could be dumb enough to vote for trump.
if bernie was on the ballot, i'd vote for him. i don't support his policies necessarily, like socialism in America would not work, but he's at least an honorable guy.
But since he's not on the ballot, i'm going with hillary. There's no point in going for sanders because he has no chance, so might as well vote for hillary to help defeat trump.
stinky_peteI just don't see how anyone could be dumb enough to vote for trump.
if bernie was on the ballot, i'd vote for him. i don't support his policies necessarily, like socialism in America would not work, but he's at least an honorable guy.
But since he's not on the ballot, i'm going with hillary. There's no point in going for sanders because he has no chance, so might as well vote for hillary to help defeat trump.
if you dont think socialism would work in America then why would you vote for a socilaist, that doesnt make any sense to me. And I certaintly wouldnt say that Hillary as a higher moral standard than Trump at all
Josh__Peck>Trump and Putin are best friends. Trump is a puppet
>Trump is going to start a nuclear war with Russia
Choose one
>Thinking Trump is a rational man
>Thinking Trump does not act off his ego
Choose one.
The argument isn't that Trump is a willing puppet, it is that the Russians are playing him and attempting to influence the US election so that they have a President they see as more easily manipulated.
The argument isn't that Trump is a willing puppet, it is that the Russians are playing him and attempting to influence the US election so that they have a President they see as more easily manipulated.
Do you ever get tired of gabbing all day in the political non ski forums. Jesus man, get a fucking hobby. Go wax your skis or something. Fuck sake.
McNocheDo you ever get tired of gabbing all day in the political non ski forums. Jesus man, get a fucking hobby. Go wax your skis or something. Fuck sake.
I work.
And since I work, I need to watch the market and the market took a nice dive when this all came out. Elections and the news surrounding them are rather pertinent to market fluctuations. It does help to be aware.
McNocheDo you ever get tired of gabbing all day in the political non ski forums. Jesus man, get a fucking hobby. Go wax your skis or something. Fuck sake.
The argument isn't that Trump is a willing puppet, it is that the Russians are playing him and attempting to influence the US election so that they have a President they see as more easily manipulated.
No reason why the US and Russia cant get along and maybe even work together like the cold wars over, Russians arent bad people
MIHoodlumI am not voting for Clinton, I am voting against Trump by voting for Clinton.
Already sent in my absentee ballot and it's been received by the town clerk. I'm not registered in a swing state, but not voting is simply not an option this election.
mswizzle3No reason why the US and Russia cant get along and maybe even work together like the cold wars over, Russians arent bad people
Russians aren't bad, Putin and his government are. Well, actually that depends on your opinion of Putin and his government's foreign policy actions, namely invading a foreign sovereign state to annex part of it through military force and effectively put it under its own control through a puppet government all while denying it.
Now, obviously the latter part of the statement is hypocritical as we, America, have often done things like that throughout history. Basically the pot calling the kettle black if you want to look at it through that lens.
My real issue with Putin and the Russian Government lies with the suppression of dissidents. Freedom of speech is cracked down on, hard, in Russia. Anyone who openly opposes Putin either disappears, dies, or is placed in another country for their own safety. Imagine how this affects an election. Imagine how this affects public opinion.
To me, besides the lack of a feasible economic plan, this is the most common similarity between Trump and Putin. Both are so egotistical that they cannot fathom anyone who openly speaks against them. Don't believe me? Look at Trump's comments regarding freedom of speech. He wants to crack down on it, limit the 1st Amendment, and effectively control public opinion.
And before any of you hardcore Trump supporters get all up in arms about the MSM being "corrupt", at least people are allowed to express dissenting opinions (Fox against Hillary, Obama, any Democrat, Drudge and Brietbart against the "Establishment", HuffPo against Trump, etc.). You haven't seen any journalists, musicians, celebrities, or any other public figure get in trouble for voicing their own opinion.
Additionally, while the evidence is not 100% certain (nor will it ever be, it is fucking espionage/cyber warfare) the fact of the matter is, there is a LOT of evidence to suggest that Russian groups who are linked to the government are interfering with the US election. In some cases, that could be reason for a declaration of war. Infringing upon the democratic election of a sovereign state, especially one who is in the UN with Russia, is absolutely disgusting.
.MASSHOLE.What is more amusing is seeing people diss Keynesian Economics when they only see those words and outcomes, not the underlying political actions that often distort the models.
FDR used Keynesian economics during his tenure, I don't think anyone would disagree that his time as president was rather prosperous once he stopped trying to balance the budget AND use a Keynesian Economic policy.
But hey, it is cool to hate on economics so let's do it!
>Ignoring the fact that The Federal Reserve helped cause the depression in the first place
And since I work, I need to watch the market and the market took a nice dive when this all came out. Elections and the news surrounding them are rather pertinent to market fluctuations. It does help to be aware.
I am glad you are boosting your resume with extensive ns activity. Future employers will surely not pass you by.
.MASSHOLE.Russians aren't bad, Putin and his government are. Well, actually that depends on your opinion of Putin and his government's foreign policy actions, namely invading a foreign sovereign state to annex part of it through military force and effectively put it under its own control through a puppet government all while denying it.
Now, obviously the latter part of the statement is hypocritical as we, America, have often done things like that throughout history. Basically the pot calling the kettle black if you want to look at it through that lens.
My real issue with Putin and the Russian Government lies with the suppression of dissidents. Freedom of speech is cracked down on, hard, in Russia. Anyone who openly opposes Putin either disappears, dies, or is placed in another country for their own safety. Imagine how this affects an election. Imagine how this affects public opinion.
Well we're "allies" with Saudi Arabia who's treatment of women is horrible so I dont think the argument of we shouldnt be allies with a country just because they may somewhat limit freedom of speech of their citizens holds up. Also I think that if the US and Russia cooperated the world would be a safer place and its foolish to cling to the cold war like division between the us and russia thats going on right now
mswizzle3Well we're "allies" with Saudi Arabia who's treatment of women is horrible so I dont think the argument of we shouldnt be allies with a country just because they may somewhat limit freedom of speech of their citizens holds up. Also I think that if the US and Russia cooperated the world would be a safer place and its foolish to cling to the cold war like division between the us and russia thats going on right now
Comparing the relationship between Russia and the US and Saudi Arabia in the US is compare apples to oranges. Saudi Arabia is our Ally for strategic purposes when it comes to a global present. Russia serve no purpose like that, instead their actions over the past Decade have showing us that they want to expand their influence insolenc decade have showing us that they want to expand their influence. Compare the reign of putin to his predecessors.
.MASSHOLE.Comparing the relationship between Russia and the US and Saudi Arabia in the US is compare apples to oranges. Saudi Arabia is our Ally for strategic purposes when it comes to a global present. Russia serve no purpose like that, instead their actions over the past Decade have showing us that they want to expand their influence insolenc decade have showing us that they want to expand their influence. Compare the reign of putin to his predecessors.
Why would we allign ourselves with another nation for any reason other than strategic purposes? I think an alliance with Russia is comperable and, would be more effective than our alliance with Saudi Arabia, at solving problems in the Middle East and beyond.
mswizzle3Why would we allign ourselves with another nation for any reason other than strategic purposes? I think an alliance with Russia is comperable and, would be more effective than our alliance with Saudi Arabia, at solving problems in the Middle East and beyond.
What does Russia give us? Military bases? No. Oil? No. Natural resources? No.
So what strategic alliance benefit would you have? What would entice them to enter into an agreement? Same can be said to us.
.MASSHOLE.What does Russia give us? Military bases? No. Oil? No. Natural resources? No.
So what strategic alliance benefit would you have? What would entice them to enter into an agreement? Same can be said to us.
Both countries would benifit from the sharing of intellegence, combined military strength which could help end violence in the middle east, especially in Syria,and increased trade. A good alliance isn't one where something is given but when things are shared for mutual benifit in my opinion.
mswizzle3Both countries would benifit from the sharing of intellegence, combined military strength which could help end violence in the middle east, especially in Syria,and increased trade. A good alliance isn't one where something is given but when things are shared for mutual benifit in my opinion.
So, do you know how intelligence works? You only share stuff if you have a common enemy. We don't have one EXCEPT ISIS. Unfortunately, they support Assad when it comes to overthrowing ISIS whom we don't really get along with if you haven't noticed. So, by allying with them we are assisting a regime that we have indirectly attempted to overthrow by supporting the Peshmerga and FSA. We have differing goals almost everywhere across the globe.
Trade? Russia has NOTHING we need. Literally NOTHING. Weapons? No. Oil? No. Gas? No. Minerals? No.
Exactly, and they having nothing we could benefit from. They have no real navy, their military has nothing to give us in terms of weaponry, and their intelligence agencies, are well, intelligence agencies. They are no different than any other country. They spy on us, we spy on them. So why would we share intelligence?
.MASSHOLE.So, do you know how intelligence works? You only share stuff if you have a common enemy. We don't have one EXCEPT ISIS. Unfortunately, they support Assad when it comes to overthrowing ISIS whom we don't really get along with if you haven't noticed. So, by allying with them we are assisting a regime that we have indirectly attempted to overthrow by supporting the Peshmerga and FSA. We have differing goals almost everywhere across the globe.
Trade? Russia has NOTHING we need. Literally NOTHING. Weapons? No. Oil? No. Gas? No. Minerals? No.
Exactly, and they having nothing we could benefit from. They have no real navy, their military has nothing to give us in terms of weaponry, and their intelligence agencies, are well, intelligence agencies. They are no different than any other country. They spy on us, we spy on them. So why would we share intelligence?
Even if all of what you say is true that doesn't mean that Russia is by any means our enemy which is how some people portray Russia. I think if we get a strong leader who isn't afraid of Russia or Putin cooperation between the two will happen and will be hugely benificial.
mswizzle3Why would we allign ourselves with another nation for any reason other than strategic purposes? I think an alliance with Russia is comperable and, would be more effective than our alliance with Saudi Arabia, at solving problems in the Middle East and beyond.
I'll admit there is a huge Blindspot in leftist politics when it comes to Saudi Arabia. People love to bitch and moan about Israeli aggression meanwhile we half heartedly give a shit about the Saudi support for al Qaeda and public decapitations ISIS level oppression of pretty much anyone that isn't conservative Wahhabi. It's fucked up. The thing is, when you get down to brass tax the US and Russia want different things. They support Iran and Assad in Syria and pretty much anyone else in the world that is willing to be a thorn in the side of the US government.
Josh__PeckWait I'm the one who knows nothing about the fed yet you're the Keynesian?
Well you're blaming the Fed for the Great Depression. Like, do you realize what happened and what the Fed did in response right. And the Gold Standard? And Specie Flow? Smoot-Hawley? Blaming the Fed makes you look so clueless
mswizzle3Even if all of what you say is true that doesn't mean that Russia is by any means our enemy which is how some people portray Russia. I think if we get a strong leader who isn't afraid of Russia or Putin cooperation between the two will happen and will be hugely benificial.
SO you're ok with the Ukrainian situation? It won't happen so long as we oppose Ukraine and Assad. You're naive.
What do you guys think of the FBI reopening the investigation of Hillary over some newly discovered emails?! This is so big..!!! And less than 2 weeks before the election
milk_manWhat do you guys think of the FBI reopening the investigation of Hillary over some newly discovered emails?! This is so big..!!! And less than 2 weeks before the election
I'm excited about, if Hillary somehow squeaks out of this without official punishment nobady can have faith in our government any more if you ask me.
CaseyI'll admit there is a huge Blindspot in leftist politics when it comes to Saudi Arabia. People love to bitch and moan about Israeli aggression meanwhile we half heartedly give a shit about the Saudi support for al Qaeda and public decapitations ISIS level oppression of pretty much anyone that isn't conservative Wahhabi. It's fucked up. The thing is, when you get down to brass tax the US and Russia want different things. They support Iran and Assad in Syria and pretty much anyone else in the world that is willing to be a thorn in the side of the US government.
I definately agree with you that in the Middle East at least the US and Russia have some disagreements however, I wouldn't say that Russia is just supporting anyone who is willing to intigate the US because for example, Russian ties to Syria go all the way back to the cold war while the US appeared in 2011. Now I'm not saying that Assad should be defended in any way but I do think that many of the disagreements in the Middle East today between the US and Russia are much more complex than Russia simply attempting to provoke the US.
Wikileaks batch 22. Clinton Foundation 2013, of $84.6 million paid out---$9 million went to charities (grants); about $28 million for salaries/benefits; for travel $8 million; lush conferences $9 million. Whoa! About 10% went to charity. Could I set up a deal like this for me?
Everybody's giving me shit because I don't want to vote....so I'm going to vote...for myself. Nobody can call me an "ignorant burden to society" anymore because I will have officially voted. How do you like them apples, nerds? #VoteSconnie
Everybody's giving me shit because I don't want to vote....so I'm going to vote...for myself. Nobody can call me an "ignorant burden to society" anymore because I will have officially voted. How do you like them apples, nerds? #VoteSconnie
Just out of curiosity, why don't you want to vote? I don't think it's bad that you don't want to vote, but it's not exactly good either. Also, you can be a good citizen and fulfill your civic duties in other ways besides voting so that someone would say that you are an "ignorant burden to society" is assuredly misplaced.
But, if you are going to vote, why not vote well/intelligently? Voting does have an aim- to make laws. And we judge that by democratic voting that good laws will ultimately be produced. Now, by writing yourself in you are obviously voting for a candidate who has no intention of running for office. It's a bad vote in this regard because its completely nonsensical.
Of all of the candidates running for office, there is bound to be one which more/less resembles your idea of how government should be run. Perhaps not exactly, but one should be at the very least closer to your idea than another. Therefore you can see that by picking this one which is closest to your idea/ideals it would be at least a step in the right direction. No?
milk_manWikileaks batch 22. Clinton Foundation 2013, of $84.6 million paid out---$9 million went to charities (grants); about $28 million for salaries/benefits; for travel $8 million; lush conferences $9 million. Whoa! About 10% went to charity. Could I set up a deal like this for me?
Repeating for benefit of others who may not be aware.
Non profits are not a 100% grant-giving body like the name may imply. Those salaries and wages? A lot of those people aren't sitting in offices doing paper work, making phone calls, or doing any other white-collared work that you seemingly assume. Many non-profits have to hire people and have to pay them *gasp* to do work in certain regions at the behest of the organization.
Evidently you did not read this statement with that in mind. Look at Column B vs. C. Column B maintains Program Service Expenses (i.e. the expenses required to get feet on the ground, set up infrastructure for the goals etc.) while C is the Management and General Expenses (self-explanatory). The numbers for those columns? 16m vs. 3m. That is a MASSIVE difference than 9m going to Charities/Grants.
So, if you want to add up ALL the expenses in Column B, its 68m vs. 8m for C, and 8m for D (Fundraising expenses).
onenerdykidJust out of curiosity, why don't you want to vote? I don't think it's bad that you don't want to vote, but it's not exactly good either. Also, you can be a good citizen and fulfill your civic duties in other ways besides voting so that someone would say that you are an "ignorant burden to society" is assuredly misplaced.
But, if you are going to vote, why not vote well/intelligently? Voting does have an aim- to make laws. And we judge that by democratic voting that good laws will ultimately be produced. Now, by writing yourself in you are obviously voting for a candidate who has no intention of running for office. It's a bad vote in this regard because its completely nonsensical.
Of all of the candidates running for office, there is bound to be one which more/less resembles your idea of how government should be run. Perhaps not exactly, but one should be at the very least closer to your idea than another. Therefore you can see that by picking this one which is closest to your idea/ideals it would be at least a step in the right direction. No?
I'm barely old enough to vote, but all of this BS has been making me sick to my stomach already. I'm not educated enough to make a good decision, and I am still being pressured by family and older friends to choose somebody that I like.
My first opportunity to vote is Trump vs. Clinton. That's not even fair. I could have chosen between Obama and Romney or Bush and Kerry...But this is impossible. I know there's more to it that the presidential election, but that's my main concern.
Josh__PeckWait I'm the one who knows nothing about the fed yet you're the Keynesian?
So, now that I am at a computer and can accurately explain why blaming the Fed for starting the Great Depression is wrong (unless you're a monetarist or Austrian).
Let's set the stage: World is coming out of a World War and with it an economic boom driven by technological improvements that saw massive numbers of people moving to cities to search for new work combined with high valuations of stocks. Sounds good right? Well, it wasn't. It was actually really bad.
Underneath all of this prosperity (it was called the roaring 20s for a reason) lay a fundamental problem, overproduction. Manufacturing output was reaching absurd levels, people were purchasing tons of retail goods, and consumption was high across the board. This cause stocks to reach all-time highs for the period, and hundreds of thousands of people invested in the stock market, hoping these stocks would keep going higher. Unfortunately, this was unsustainable and it was bound to crash.
While this prosperity was occurring for some, there were many who were floundering, struggling to find work. During the late19th and early 20th centuries, there were massive improvements in production that saw the need for less labor while increasing output. The result was a slow and steady rise in the unemployment levels and underconsumption levels.
So, now you have two things, overproduction and underconsumption. What happens when business fails to live up to expectations? They cut back on workers and raw materials. This continues all the way down the production curve to the man at the bottom.
This is when the government gets involved, and it did (in a way that is scarily similar to what Trump wants to do). They implemented the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, possibly the most damaging tariff we have ever seen. This raised an import tax to record levels for some 20,000 goods. The result? Foreign countries implemented similar tariffs on US goods, and a trade war was underway.
What did this do? Well, you have underconsumption in the US, high tariffs abroad resulting in declining exports from the US, and a monetary system (Gold Standard) that imposed restrictions on Central Banks around the world.
The Gold Standard as you may or may not know, uses a set value for gold that currencies trade around. During this period, the British Sterling was that currency. But, during WWI, the world suspended use of the system as it would have been too difficult to use (way too complicated to explain why, but it involves Price-Specie Flow Mechanism). After the war, the Brits re-pegged the Sterling at pre-war levels, which greatly overvalued it and thereby had a deflationary outcome. This deflation hurt anyone who held real debt (Farmers, manufacturers, etc). But because Britain set the price at this level, there was nothing any country could do unless they were to break away from the current contractual exchange rate
So, now we can add these together and see why you're wrong.
You have underconsumption and overproduction in the US, declining exports to Europe, and a deflationary pressure on the Gold-Standard. Combine all of these, and you have a perfect storm. The Fed could not have done anything to prevent this from happening, nor was it responsible for these conditions. The economic conditions had been building for decades, and were driven forward by technological changes and advances. The Gold-Standard effectively handcuffed the Federal Reserve to abide by international standards of exchange, making fiscal and monetary policy difficult and mostly ineffective in times of crisis.
So, I ask you, how is the Federal Reserve responsible for this?
SconnieI'm barely old enough to vote, but all of this BS has been making me sick to my stomach already. I'm not educated enough to make a good decision, and I am still being pressured by family and older friends to choose somebody that I like.
My first opportunity to vote is Trump vs. Clinton. That's not even fair. I could have chosen between Obama and Romney or Bush and Kerry...But this is impossible. I know there's more to it that the presidential election, but that's my main concern.
They are both absolute trash, however an important consideration is the appointment of supreme court justices. In my opinion, the appoint of conservative justices could set the country back decades.
ebotdzThey are both absolute trash, however an important consideration is the appointment of supreme court justices. In my opinion, the appoint of conservative justices could set the country back decades.
