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Look Pivot 14/FKS Vs. Tyrolia Attack 13

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grilled_steeze
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Which one is lighter and more durable? I'm also worried about brakes on the pivots/FKS because I hear they break easily and are fairly expensive. Mounting on Nordica Enforcer 93's for agressive all mountain use.
Oct 4 2016 9:29AM
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SofaKingSick
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the attacks will def be lighter

the pivots/FKSs are known for being sorta heavy but pretty much bombproof, with years (hell, decades) of evidence of that on their side

attacks seem to have an extremely good reputation so far, though, and in my limited experience with them im very impressed (and i refused to use anything but pivots for the past 15 years)

the brakes on pivots/FKSs are definitely a bit of an issue if you break them..it's never happened to me but it definitely happens

id say if weight is a big issue for you (i don't think it should be, unless youre particularly small or weak or bad at skiing, no offense) go attacks. otherwise theyre both badass bindings with a great rep, id say choose whichever has a better price for you
Oct 4 2016 10:29AM
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Swandog7
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grilled_cheeseWhich one is lighter and more durable? I'm also worried about brakes on the pivots/FKS because I hear they break easily and are fairly expensive. Mounting on Nordica Enforcer 93's for agressive all mountain use.


I use both pivot 14s and attack 13s. I've used both for about a year (~75 days on pivots and ~30 on attacks). I've bent both my brakes once and I will say the pivot brake is easier to bend back and still stand tall, while my attack brake is still pretty fucked. I've liked both bindings a lot, I'm slightly biased to my pivots for durability and use, but get cosmetically fuxked way faster. The pivot is heavier but i don't feel a large enough difference to love my attacks more. Both are solid bindings, and attacks are the best binding for your buck. ID go pivots unless I'm on fat skis
Oct 4 2016 11:16AM
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Park.
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First, FKS are not as durable as everyone preaches on this website. I have destroyed a few pairs of FKS, so I tried out some of the Attacks (only the 18x which has metal components) and they are 100% up to par with FKS 180s. If I had to choose between fks 140s and attack 13s, I would get the FKS simply because of the more durable aspect. This applies heavily to me, but if you don't break your equipment much, get the attacks because they really are a solid binding with replaceable brakes (which nearly everyone needs to replace at some point) and honestly can measure up evenly with FKS so far.

I also bought 2 pairs of attack 16s (crazy sale) for my new sticks, so now I only have 1 pair of skis with FKS and Im ok with that.
Oct 5 2016 2:16PM
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1210020121
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If you want light bindings, get attack 13s
If you want bindings that will last you forever, get FKS 140s
Oct 5 2016 2:45PM
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jca
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1210020121If you want light bindings, get attack 13s
If you want bindings that will last you forever, get FKS 140s


FKS 140 toes wont last forever. The heel is great but the toe is pretty meh.
Oct 5 2016 2:49PM
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1210020121
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jcaFKS 140 toes wont last forever. The heel is great but the toe is pretty meh.


True, but my friend said you can buy new ones for a little under $40.
Oct 5 2016 2:52PM
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ABskier
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The old 14 toe was fairly bombproof. More durable than most plastic toes. The new WTR toe is much more flimsy. Especially the AFD.

Look NEEDS to make an FKS 14/15. They still make the toe for the rockerflex 15.
Oct 5 2016 2:55PM
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SofaKingSick
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ABskierthe rockerflex 15.


what's that?
Oct 5 2016 3:26PM
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1210020121
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ABskierThe old 14 toe was fairly bombproof. More durable than most plastic toes. The new WTR toe is much more flimsy. Especially the AFD.

Look NEEDS to make an FKS 14/15. They still make the toe for the rockerflex 15.


Stupid question, but could you buy the fks 180 toe piece and use it with the 140s?
Oct 5 2016 5:26PM
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ABskier
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1210020121Stupid question, but could you buy the fks 180 toe piece and use it with the 140s?


yes. but it would have a din range of 8-14. Now that I think about it, using the toe from the 15 would have a din range of 8-14 as well. So they would have to product a metal toe with a different spring to get a nicer range of dins. Ideally from like 6-15 if possible
Oct 5 2016 5:30PM
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SkiLefley
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I would got Attacks all day. I had 3 pairs of skis with FKS on them for like 3 seasons. I loved them in the beginning and then hated them by the end. Switched over to all attacks and absolutely love them. My favorite binding I have ever had and I've had a lot. Small, light and easy in and out. The fks would always get fucked up when trying to put on at times. Especially if you loose a ski in pow or on a steep hill. It's hell. Go with the attacks.
Oct 6 2016 11:19PM
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grilled_steeze
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Went with the attacks because of weight and adjustability, Thanks for the help everybody.
Oct 7 2016 8:02AM
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yessirskiii_
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what's the opinion on this thread now? asking for myself to put on some vishnu wides.
Oct 15 2020 1:37PM
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OhJay
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beenjammin669_what's the opinion on this thread now? asking for myself to put on some vishnu wides.

Same, except looking to put them on a pair of ARV 106s.

Have experience with Griffons, STH2 and Attack 13s. My favorite so far are the Attacks for the lower stack height but have been curious about Pivot 14s as I know they're pretty low too. I'm wondering if there's any actual difference in on snow performance feel between the two to justify the higher price point of the Pivots (durability's not an issue for me). I know people like to point out the shorter mount footprint of the Pivots.
Oct 15 2020 5:20PM
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anders_a
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pivot is LOW to ski, also the adjustment is so narrow, attack = long, this means the ski is stiffend up on the track part. In theory its noticable. But you have to be a very good skier or nerdy to get it.

attack green 13 is like ... 70-80USD on sale now, pivots 200-250 on sale
Oct 15 2020 6:13PM
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TreewellMagnet
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jcaFKS 140 toes wont last forever. The heel is great but the toe is pretty meh.

Odd cause I've never had any problems with the toes. I've broken a heel/turntable once - there was too much play in the turntable I think leading to a fatigue break due to flexing the metal over time. Should have been preventable if I had known better!

Very consistent and smooth release on the pivot. Cant go wrong!

Just got some attacks on another ski. Excited to try them out!
Oct 18 2020 10:57AM
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rubberpantaloons
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anders_apivot is LOW to ski, also the adjustment is so narrow, attack = long, this means the ski is stiffend up on the track part. In theory its noticable. But you have to be a very good skier or nerdy to get it.

attack green 13 is like ... 70-80USD on sale now, pivots 200-250 on sale

Attacks are lower to the ski, but have worse flex because they have a long mount, pivots are like 2mm higher but the skis behave a bit better because short mount
Oct 18 2020 11:20AM
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Foxtrotx1
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beenjammin669_what's the opinion on this thread now? asking for myself to put on some vishnu wides.


I like my attacks. Only issue I've ever had was the AFD slipping down over time, but 3 seconds with a screw driver and a business card fixes that every once in a long while. They are easy to get in and out of, just rub your boot heel on the binding in wet snow to clean it off. Never had a bad release... but I also have not had any releases in a long while (not skiing hard enough I guess).

I'd ski pivots but I hate that the adjustment range is so short. I can throw a friend in my Attacks easy if they want to give my skis a go. If I get a new pair of boots there is a solid chance I'd need a remount, unless someone here can correct me on that.
Oct 20 2020 4:05PM
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Cade2
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fuck the 14s get the 15s. Way better value
Oct 23 2020 12:57AM
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