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Unless those are next years 150 tongues from FT, he's going to be able to touch the tips of his skis with his knees. There's going to be pieces of exploded full tilts all over the course.
I'm not surprised Bode's on it! He's the only racer that is rebel enough with the balls to ride product that works the best, instead of the product that corporations pay him to.
Back in the 90's over 70% of downhill racers wore the Raichle Flexon Comp boot (now Full Tilt) because the biomechanics of the way the 3 piece design of this boot flexes perfectly to match your ankle flex unlike overlap boots (Lange etc) This boot's flex enabling ski racers to flex their ankles more naturally, thus absorb high speed vibrations more effeciently than any other ski boot in the world.
This is why Bill Johnson who wore the original FT boot (Raichle Flexon Comp) is the first and only American to ever win an Olympic gold medal for Downhill racing.
JLevI'm not surprised Bode's on it! He's the only racer that is rebel enough with the balls to ride product that works the best, instead of the product that corporations pay him to.
Back in the 90's over 70% of downhill racers wore the Raichle Flexon Comp boot (now Full Tilt) because the biomechanics of the way the 3 piece design of this boot flexes perfectly to match your ankle flex unlike overlap boots (Lange etc) This boot's flex enabling ski racers to flex their ankles more naturally, thus absorb high speed vibrations more effeciently than any other ski boot in the world.
This is why Bill Johnson who wore the original FT boot (Raichle Flexon Comp) is the first and only American to ever win an Olympic gold medal for Downhill racing.
Can't stop Bode!
Has full tilt recently developed some even stiffer than the #10 flex? That'd be kinda cool
JLevI'm not surprised Bode's on it! He's the only racer that is rebel enough with the balls to ride product that works the best, instead of the product that corporations pay him to.
Back in the 90's over 70% of downhill racers wore the Raichle Flexon Comp boot (now Full Tilt) because the biomechanics of the way the 3 piece design of this boot flexes perfectly to match your ankle flex unlike overlap boots (Lange etc) This boot's flex enabling ski racers to flex their ankles more naturally, thus absorb high speed vibrations more effeciently than any other ski boot in the world.
This is why Bill Johnson who wore the original FT boot (Raichle Flexon Comp) is the first and only American to ever win an Olympic gold medal for Downhill racing.
Can't stop Bode!
Ya but that was in the 70's. How can you compare a pair of full tilts to a pair of today's high end 150 flex race boots?
SkibumsmithYa but that was in the 70's. How can you compare a pair of full tilts to a pair of today's high end 150 flex race boots?
Huh? Why does stiff flex = high performance? Stiff flex = less ankle motion = less shock absorbtion = slower boot. No one is paying Bode to ride the Full Tilt boot, he's actually being sued by Head right now for not riding their "high end 150 flex".
Also a FT flex can be adjusted to as stiff or soft as you'd like simply by swapping out the tongue durometer (flex). He's not getting paid by FT, if there's another boot that's faster, why isn't he riding it?
SkibumsmithUnless those are next years 150 tongues from FT, he's going to be able to touch the tips of his skis with his knees. There's going to be pieces of exploded full tilts all over the course.
He's clearly lost his fucking mind.
i can't say with certainty what is going on here, but for the sake of advertising, there are lots of instances where sponsored skiers ride a very modified version of a product. i mean, there are even cases of companies putting a different top sheet on a ski to make it look like the guy is riding something different. back when 1080s were salomon's flagship park ski, i heard a lot that simon and other guys would get different ones from salomon with wood cores. so i wouldnt be surprised at all if bode's FTs were very different from what you get at the store
hemlockjibber8Since when have full tilts had a full Metal, proper buckle over the forefoot?
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JLevHuh? Why does stiff flex = high performance? Stiff flex = less ankle motion = less shock absorbtion = slower boot. No one is paying Bode to ride the Full Tilt boot, he's actually being sued by Head right now for not riding their "high end 150 flex".
Also a FT flex can be adjusted to as stiff or soft as you'd like simply by swapping out the tongue durometer (flex). He's not getting paid by FT, if there's another boot that's faster, why isn't he riding it?
pretty sure in racing, you can pretty much accept that stiffer is better (within reason). there are no benefits to going 80 down an icy course on soft park boots. that said, idk what bode is doing and he is a bit of a wild card so who knows. but i doubt those FTs he's wearing are anything like the stock ones, and i really doubt he's not getting paid to use them
all that said... people did used to use the old raichles for stuff. speaking of which, werent those old line skiboard boots (or however you guys marketed them, i forget) basically raichles?
casey_copeHas full tilt recently developed some even stiffer than the #10 flex? That'd be kinda cool
any gear that pro racers wear is not even close to the normal on the market gear. Its modified the fuck out. If there sponsor is fishcer, they might look like fischers but its most likely a pair heads with special bases and metal shits
Racers aren't required to use their sponsors for the preseason, they can try out whatever brand(s) they want, because none of it is televised yet.
That in and of itself points to an outdated advertising model, because look at all of us, talking about this, just hours after he took a lap in them... Win for Full Tilts!
.otto.any gear that pro racers wear is not even close to the normal on the market gear. Its modified the fuck out. If there sponsor is fishcer, they might look like fischers but its most likely a pair heads with special bases and metal shits
i dont pay attention to racing much, can you fill me in on why head seems to get comments like this so much? do they have something that is like, objectively superior to others?
as my other posts here show i know spansed riders get very modified gear in some cases, but the only time ive heard of a person being allowed to use an entirely different brand's product was in swimming when one company had some wetsuit that was head and shoulders above the rest in performance
From the pictures they appear to be this seasons First Chair 6 (fulltiltboots.com/ski-boots/first-chair-6) with the lower buckle system off the Influence Shell (High Five and Booter, now replaced by the Evolution Shell used for the Descendant Series) although the upper appears to still use the cable system seen on the Soul Shell used for the First Chair 6. That in itself shows how modified these boots probably are seeing as that buckle system is no longer produced!
JLevHuh? Why does stiff flex = high performance? Stiff flex = less ankle motion = less shock absorbtion = slower boot. No one is paying Bode to ride the Full Tilt boot, he's actually being sued by Head right now for not riding their "high end 150 flex".
Also a FT flex can be adjusted to as stiff or soft as you'd like simply by swapping out the tongue durometer (flex). He's not getting paid by FT, if there's another boot that's faster, why isn't he riding it?
The undamped wave is the full tilts. The strongly damped wave is the Heads.
JLevI'm not surprised Bode's on it! He's the only racer that is rebel enough with the balls to ride product that works the best, instead of the product that corporations pay him to.
Back in the 90's over 70% of downhill racers wore the Raichle Flexon Comp boot (now Full Tilt) because the biomechanics of the way the 3 piece design of this boot flexes perfectly to match your ankle flex unlike overlap boots (Lange etc) This boot's flex enabling ski racers to flex their ankles more naturally, thus absorb high speed vibrations more effeciently than any other ski boot in the world.
This is why Bill Johnson who wore the original FT boot (Raichle Flexon Comp) is the first and only American to ever win an Olympic gold medal for Downhill racing.
SkibumsmithYa but that was in the 70's. How can you compare a pair of full tilts to a pair of today's high end 150 flex race boots?
you guys are vastly underestimating the flex of boots racers wear, bode is in a >200 flex boot. The softest flex boot on the world cup is probably around 170-180
NEPTRyou guys are vastly underestimating the flex of boots racers wear, bode is in a >200 flex boot. The softest flex boot on the world cup is probably around 170-180
source: former ski racer
As a former supplier, you are wrong. Lange ZI (which most guys in North America sent back for being too stiff), Nordica tops out at 170, Atomic too IIRC, can't say for other brands but those 3 should give an idea.
JLev is right the Flexon is very highly regarded in speed circles and gives great snow feel which is what the speeders want. Remember the speed guys and girls generally go softer than their tech counterparts to avoid unnecessary edge input, slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
There are pics in one of the trade magazines (online somewhere) of the boots Bode is using and them being worked on, looks like he's added a carbon fiber spoiler the rear cuff, possibly bolting the lower to it at the same time? It probably extends 4-5 inches higher than the cuff.
Have you seen his new ski company? NYC based. for the 1%.
$450 slippers, stuffed bear foot stools and swanky apres robes.
$2000 all mountain skis with 95mm waists... made in italy, with graphic topsheets designed by (now dead) NYC artists who protested against the disparity between rich and poor.
waxmanAs a former supplier, you are wrong. Lange ZI (which most guys in North America sent back for being too stiff), Nordica tops out at 170, Atomic too IIRC, can't say for other brands but those 3 should give an idea.
JLev is right the Flexon is very highly regarded in speed circles and gives great snow feel which is what the speeders want. Remember the speed guys and girls generally go softer than their tech counterparts to avoid unnecessary edge input, slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
your right that the worldcuppers like a softer boot for speed but a soft boot for them is still in the 170-190 range depending on how big they are, No world cup athlete is in a stock boot( read not the Zi) I was/am sponsored by rossignol for many years and can tell you with 100% certainty that any tech skier is in boots that stiff. Bode used to be in a head B1 or B0, this is a well over 200 flex, Ted Legit has the softest boots on the tech circuit and they're still over 170 flex
waxmanAs a former supplier, you are wrong. Lange ZI (which most guys in North America sent back for being too stiff), Nordica tops out at 170, Atomic too IIRC, can't say for other brands but those 3 should give an idea.
JLev is right the Flexon is very highly regarded in speed circles and gives great snow feel which is what the speeders want. Remember the speed guys and girls generally go softer than their tech counterparts to avoid unnecessary edge input, slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
I mean, Hermann Maier is reported to have skied a 200+ flex boot after his motorcycle accident because he lost a lot, if not all, of the ability to sense how much pressure he was putting on the front of his boots. I wouldn't be shocked if you had other guys like who were built like him who had boots that were stiffer than your conventional 170 flex through other means (adding material, rivets, booster straps etc).
Maybe OneNerdyKid can give us some input, he does work for Atomic after all.
But no, speed guys usually go for stiffer boots than tech guys.
.MASSHOLE.I mean, Hermann Maier is reported to have skied a 200+ flex boot after his motorcycle accident because he lost a lot, if not all, of the ability to sense how much pressure he was putting on the front of his boots. I wouldn't be shocked if you had other guys like who were built like him who had boots that were stiffer than your conventional 170 flex through other means (adding material, rivets, booster straps etc).
Maybe OneNerdyKid can give us some input, he does work for Atomic after all.
But no, speed guys usually go for stiffer boots than tech guys.
wait sorry pardon my ignorance. when you guys are talking about tech guys using stiff boots, youre talking about touring guys?? why would they use boots stiffer than pro racers?
SofaKingSickwait sorry pardon my ignorance. when you guys are talking about tech guys using stiff boots, youre talking about touring guys?? why would they use boots stiffer than pro racers?
They say the Vulcan is 37% stiffer than the Lange ZI. Hoji was crushing some Pilsners after crushing some pillows and realized he was 37% more badass touring those lines than speed racers. So that's how he developed the Vulcan flex.
SofaKingSickwait sorry pardon my ignorance. when you guys are talking about tech guys using stiff boots, youre talking about touring guys?? why would they use boots stiffer than pro racers?
No no, GS/SL vs. DH/SG. "Tech" means technical events. No touring guy would ever use a boot that stiff.
hemlockjibber8They say the Vulcan is 37% stiffer than the Lange ZI. Hoji was crushing some Pilsners after crushing some pillows and realized he was 37% more badass touring those lines than speed racers. So that's how he developed the Vulcan flex.
.MASSHOLE.No no, GS/SL vs. DH/SG. "Tech" means technical events. No touring guy would ever use a boot that stiff.
hahah okay got it. yeah i was wondering wtf was going on with those comments. thanks
SofaKingSickhahah okay got it. yeah i was wondering wtf was going on with those comments. thanks
No problem. You'll sometimes see professional racers with 3, 4, 5, even 6 pairs of boots traveling with them as each has a different setup depending on conditions. It is insane how much impact a boot can have on a single event.
.MASSHOLE.No problem. You'll sometimes see professional racers with 3, 4, 5, even 6 pairs of boots traveling with them as each has a different setup depending on conditions. It is insane how much impact a boot can have on a single event.
damn that's crazy. i get it, but what a pain in the ass. i dont really even like having more than 2 pairs of skis to choose between haha
