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Basically like half the ski industry is hung in the balance of this whole deal. K2 is the largest action sports equipment manufacturer in the world. Shit's going to change if this goes down. Hopefully for the better (i.e. people buying from small ski companies more)...
Carved+DangerousJLev didn't invent the full-length twintip. Line were putting out a mini twintip in 1997 (a type of snowblade.. but did he invent the snowblade?)
At that time the (pre)Armada guys probably saw them (from Line or other brands,) and then came up with the idea (as inspired by snowboarders) to do full-length trick skis (ie twintips) in the Air Carve video as a pitch to Salomon who then built them. Those mogul skiers could then use them and went on start Armada. But prior to that, Line copied (if that is the right word) Salomon and expanded their product line.
Why does this matter anyway? I just asked JLev to post his ideas on how he could save (or kickstart) the industry. So now that I've gone into some of the history... it's his turn. So far he mentioned reinvesting profits back into the industry... anything else?
No where did I say that JLev invented the twin-tip ski. I said he founded one of the most influential (freestyle) ski companies our sport has known. Line was founded in 1995. Give credit where credit is due, man.
Armada was founded in 2002, as was 4frnt. Mogul skiers didn't start Armada. Established 'new school' skiers like Tanner Hall and JP Auclair (along with four others) founded Armada.
As for your question to JLev? If he has the ability to influence and change the industry, I have no doubts he'll do it. Read this to get some insight into the way he thinks:
Carved+DangerousU don't need special skis to h-carve, although it enhances the experience a lot. I invited JLev into the HC cult (I'd hardly call it a cult) but he's yet to join. HAHAHA. Large companies often fire startup founders, not recruit them.... that's part of the reason why I asked him to post his ideas...
Sorry I didn't notice the invite, I forgot to check for messages the past year and must have turned off all notifications. I only scan home page and comment if something hits me. I'll check and join of course, I'm always down with whatever's good for skiing
I created an account just to share what I found out, n00b for life. I was at the ski show in Toronto and talked to one of the K2 reps and what he told me was yes, they're being sold, but in his opinion it's a good thing cause it will allow someone who gives a sh*t to buy the company and relieve the corporate pressure. From the business side, they're slimming down a bit to make themselves more attractive to a buyer (hence dropping some sponsorship). Also, all warranties will be valid and they're working on next years gear, which I don't think they'd do if they're concerned about being open. In my opinion, it would be dumb to close down the companies straight up when they could sell them off, even if the value is less than Newell wants. I think we just have to wait until the selling price drops so someone can pick it up.
Whoever this Jlev dude is, he's a lying piece of shit. Don't believe anything he says because I know more and what I know, which is more, is better than what he knows and I know that what he knows is not true.
saskskierI'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with this post? I've never argued that JLev invented the twin tip ski.
Yes, and I was shedding light on the situation. BUT, from the link you provided it says at the start.
"Back in 1995 he built the first twin tip skis out of his parent’s garage, launching LINE as the first of the modern day startup freeski companies & paving the way for dozens of other startups to follow."
No they weren't the first twin tip skis. Nor were they skis.. they were snowblades, and they probably (I don't know - should I research it?) weren't the first snowblades either. Also, coming up with twintips then wouldn't have been to hard, given all the twintip snowboards that were around.
From my assessment, JLev would be called a Fast Follower. Although, I think Sep 2013 is pretty late to start a custom ski shop, there were a bunch around when I was looking. I just asked him what his ideas were to make skiing great again if he were to become the head of this conglomerate... I never intended or wanted to start a thesis like he did. until he averted my question and people started poking at me. Is he a great skier? That'd give him more street cred in my book.. but starting companies and building them up within an industry is definitely a high achievement.
Carved+DangerousYes, and I was shedding light on the situation. BUT, from the link you provided it says at the start.
"Back in 1995 he built the first twin tip skis out of his parent’s garage, launching LINE as the first of the modern day startup freeski companies & paving the way for dozens of other startups to follow."
No they weren't the first twin tip skis. Nor were they skis.. they were snowblades, and they probably (I don't know - should I research it?) weren't the first snowblades either. Also, coming up with twintips then wouldn't have been to hard, given all the twintip snowboards that were around.
From my assessment, JLev would be called a Fast Follower. Although, I think Sep 2013 is pretty late to start a custom ski shop, there were a bunch around when I was looking. I just asked him what his ideas were to make skiing great again if he were to become the head of this conglomerate... I never intended or wanted to start a thesis like he did. until he averted my question and people started poking at me. Is he a great skier? That'd give him more street cred in my book.. but starting companies and building them up within an industry is definitely a high achievement.
Whether he was the first or not does not have any bearing on the influence he and Line have had on the industry.
Guys like Tanner Hall and Eric Pollard weren't the first freestyle skiers, but they have been some of the most influential in shaping the direction our sport has gone.
JLev is like that, but from business side of things.
Carved+DangerousYes, and I was shedding light on the situation.
I started making twin tip skis before you were born. You can call them snowblades or skiboards or dual tipped snowboards for each foot like others did at that time that didn't understand where I was going with it. I was actually simply building a ski with an equal height tip on both ends that weren't like all the 207cm standard race skis of the time that everyone else was making and skiing on. I never claimed to invent anything, just pushed skiing as hard as I could in a different direction. This is the 8 min version of my past 18 years doing this
JLevI started making twin tip skis before you were born.
I'm older than you think. Interesting vid though, no mention of other key brands.
But I can see how much of a nightmare it would've been having all those competitors crop up out of nowhere (although it does prove the market) and then having to pull yourself out of debt so often via investors.
Often the best marketing is having a competition people can watch and then having heroes to impress upon others and for them to also copy. (Burton realized this) But personally, I dislike competition and heroes.
But hey, if you want to try my skis you are welcome. I used 125cm skiboards in 2012 and found they were too backseat for my liking, although I did like how nimble they were. The problem with short skis is they lack power when carving and stability on landing. I think my skis solve the former and I have an idea to solve the latter.
Carved+DangerousI'm older than you think. Interesting vid though, no mention of other key brands.
But I can see how much of a nightmare it would've been having all those competitors crop up out of nowhere (although it does prove the market) and then having to pull yourself out of debt so often via investors.
Often the best marketing is having a competition people can watch and then having heroes to impress upon others and for them to also copy. (Burton realized this) But personally, I dislike competition and heroes.
But hey, if you want to try my skis you are welcome. I used 125cm skiboards in 2012 and found they were too backseat for my liking, although I did like how nimble they were. The problem with short skis is they lack power when carving and stability on landing. I think my skis solve the former and I have an idea to solve the latter.
Carved+DangerousYou wanna be a rockstar? Grow JSkis to something enormous. Now is your chance with the hole in the market. You sold out of Line and FT years ago, now you want them back?
If he is able to get them at a fraction of what he sold his stake for, its a steal.
its not a bad idea. think of all the NS fanboys that would like FT even more if it were owned by Jskis..
Line could be his large company to mass produce skis for big shops and he could still do jskis as his solo project.
Carved+DangerousI used 125cm skiboards in 2012 and found they were too backseat for my liking, although I did like how nimble they were. The problem with short skis is they lack power when carving and stability on landing. I think my skis solve the former and I have an idea to solve the latter.
Your skis look sketchy as fuck. The video of some dude skiing park on them makes them look about as stable as ski blades on gaper day. And that's just on piste, skiing those things on actual big mountain terrain would be like riding a tricycle down the redbull rampage course.
The problem with short skis is that they aren't suitable for anything more than learning how to ski on.
K-Dot.The video of some dude skiing park on them makes them look about as stable as ski blades on gaper day. And that's just on piste, skiing those things on actual big mountain terrain would be like riding a tricycle down the redbull rampage course.
The skis can't land properly because they are full rocker. They need to be flattened for that. Anyway, the skis float superbly on pow and do really nice S curves, they are just slow. But I want CT to try them. He shoots down like a comet. But no where does it say you have to ski fast on pow. You can go half the speed and do double the jumps (*into a soft landing*) and have a much better feeling overall, with less danger. I can't see that happening, and I can't see JLev heading this conglomerate. It's all gonna turn to shit.
Carved+DangerousThe skis can't land properly because they are full rocker. They need to be flattened for that. Anyway, the skis float superbly on pow and do really nice S curves, they are just slow. But I want CT to try them. He shoots down like a comet. But no where does it say you have to ski fast on pow. You can go half the speed and do double the jumps (*into a soft landing*) and have a much better feeling overall, with less danger. I can't see that happening, and I can't see JLev heading this conglomerate. It's all gonna turn to shit.
Sep 28: Armada picks up $7MIL loan.... “We are pleased to provide a flexible asset based facility to Armada that helps them through their seasonal needs and the revenue growth that they anticipate. We are excited to be their lender as the brand continues to grow.”
Coincidence, or do they know something others don't? Other brands ready to ramp up production too?
Carved+DangerousHow are you going to fix the weather and make people more resilient to being injured? I think you just want a cushy corporate job, but I might be wrong.. care to lay out your ideas and reasoning on what you know that other people don't?
Carved+DangerousSep 28: Armada picks up $7MIL loan.... “We are pleased to provide a flexible asset based facility to Armada that helps them through their seasonal needs and the revenue growth that they anticipate. We are excited to be their lender as the brand continues to grow.”
Coincidence, or do they know something others don't? Other brands ready to ramp up production too?
Carved+DangerousSep 28: Armada picks up $7MIL loan.... “We are pleased to provide a flexible asset based facility to Armada that helps them through their seasonal needs and the revenue growth that they anticipate. We are excited to be their lender as the brand continues to grow.”
Coincidence, or do they know something others don't? Other brands ready to ramp up production too?
Not really, imagine a whole bunch of firms now cranked up ski production, only to result in an oversupply of skis (and then Newell actually sold k2+line.. and the big snowfalls never came.) Wow!!!
Carved+DangerousNot really, imagine a whole bunch of firms now cranked up ski production, only to result in an oversupply of skis (and then Newell actually sold k2+line.. and the big snowfalls never came.) Wow!!!
lmao I build skis and use fume rated respirators whenever I lay up, even though the resin fumes are technically non-toxic. You are a major tosser and you're bringing fires to this thread that really doesn't need it.
sneeklmao I build skis and use fume rated respirators whenever I lay up, even though the resin fumes are technically non-toxic. You are a major tosser and you're bringing fires to this thread that really doesn't need it.
For a reply see your first comment in this thread to me.
sneeklmao I build skis and use fume rated respirators whenever I lay up, even though the resin fumes are technically non-toxic. You are a major tosser and you're bringing fires to this thread that really doesn't need it.
Carved+DangerousFor a reply see your first comment in this thread to me.
People like you are the reason skiers have a negative connotation in so many people's minds.
LamafamaI wish Rubber Maid had bought Hart Carve... If any ski company needs shutting down by some ruthless private equity types....
I hope some Dare to Heartcarve 16/17 submissions come in before these companies shutdown. It'd hopefully make these Newell execs think twice about what they're going to be missing out on by shutting these companies down and all the fresh growth potential as a new breath of life is injected back into skiing and slope-tramming. I also hope they submit vids themselves.
What are they gonna do when Rozboon and Tdollo have about-faces on how wrong they were about it all.
If you try to emulate your modern ski hero, you won't get a fraction of the love back that you've given out. Then translating that into hate is just silly.
Interesting... now K2 is gonna license their name for outerwear to some random unconnected brand after pissing away countless thousands of dollars on in-house R&D and making bold claims they were gonna launch on their own like 2 SIA ago
Carved+DangerousI hope some Dare to Heartcarve 16/17 submissions come in before these companies shutdown. It'd hopefully make these Newell execs think twice about what they're going to be missing out on by shutting these companies down and all the fresh growth potential as a new breath of life is injected back into skiing and slope-tramming. I also hope they submit vids themselves.
What are they gonna do when Rozboon and Tdollo have about-faces on how wrong they were about it all.
If you try to emulate your modern ski hero, you won't get a fraction of the love back that you've given out. Then translating that into hate is just silly.
Carved+DangerousLike Rozboon and KneeDrop before him, someone who is in most need of heartcarving, but is ironically the most resistant.
Fuck yes. I couldn't be happier that I made such an impression. I talked to you, in what, like 3 threads around a year ago? guess I really touch on an insecurity eh?
Your shit sucks, you suck, if you didn't have videos I'd be certain you're just trolling.(I'm still unsure)
skiznutsThe only problem is how many fucking companies k2 owns and how they's be affected
Wanna name your company after one of the most difficult to climb and most lethal mountains in the world? Too bad for them, and those who sold out to them.
KneeDropFuck yes. I couldn't be happier that I made such an impression. I talked to you, in what, like 3 threads around a year ago? guess I really touch on an insecurity eh?
Your shit sucks, you suck, if you didn't have videos I'd be certain you're just trolling.(I'm still unsure)
The only nerve you have touched was with that avatar.
Do you actually ski with a paddle and broad-rimmed hat?
If only K2 latched onto this years ago.
Paddle_CarveThe only nerve you have touched was with that avatar.
Do you actually ski with a paddle and broad-rimmed hat?
1) it's called a lurk, it's no paddle, and yes I have used one.
2) it's called a cowboy hat, and yes I wear one all summer long
3) I have yet to combine them, but I will. And you can bet your ass when I do I'll ski circles around you.
4) I am the best skier on the mountain. Any mountain.
KneeDropI am the best skier on the mountain. Any mountain.
That's bulls### and u know it. But feel free to enter D2C 16/17 and show the world how great you are. Cough. Cough.
But to really make that comp/exhibit/zoo work, it requires prizes, and for that I am asking K2 (in particular those fine Newell execs) to provide me with a shipping crate or two of all their soon-to-be deadstock, which I can dish out over the next few years to winners and participants of D2C.
K2-RIP.. Long Live Heartcarve!!
How ironic that one of the best things Newell can do for skiing and snowboarding is to shut down K2 and all its subsidiaries.. that is if my idea is viable.. which I believe it to be.
