watching the new bunch edit reminded me of like a supreme skate edit or something. Also it seems like they were just fucking around, hitting short rails with pretty much no lips.
Thoughts?
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a_burgerthe bunch =/= all of urban skiing
that being said why waste all day trying to 2 pretz 4 an uphill quad kink with a winch when you can just hit smaller features and have fun with friends? I respect the guys who want to try and stack shots like that but if people are ever going to hit urban just for fun it's not going to be like stept or level 1 do.
Dennis_Reynoldswatching the new bunch edit reminded me of like a supreme skate edit or something. Also it seems like they were just fucking around, hitting short rails with pretty much no lips.
Thoughts?
a_burgerthe bunch =/= all of urban skiing
that being said why waste all day trying to 2 pretz 4 an uphill quad kink with a winch when you can just hit smaller features and have fun with friends? I respect the guys who want to try and stack shots like that but if people are ever going to hit urban just for fun it's not going to be like stept or level 1 do.
brotoyes but don't say it like it's a bad thing
Kretzschmarbasically this. I love watching LurkNYC, Supreme, Bronze56k, MoodNYC, and a lot of other skate crew edits over most ski crew urban.
funkynuggzidk why skiers n snowboarders are still building jumps for urban rails anyways. if a skateboarder can kick flip on to a rail, then snowboarders and skiers can ollie onto
a rail. yea i understand some cant ollie high enough for it and it's lot easier to spin onto
a rail if you have a side jump. i always thought it look sick when there wasn't a side jump
in the vid or pic. i remember dave c. and thall were hitting a dfd with no jump jus a small platform and they were doing nollies and ollies on to it. magnus got them nollies on lock,
him and warnick only ones I've seen who makes them look good.
funkynuggzidk why skiers n snowboarders are still building jumps for urban rails anyways. if a skateboarder can kick flip on to a rail, then snowboarders and skiers can ollie onto
a rail. yea i understand some cant ollie high enough for it and it's lot easier to spin onto
a rail if you have a side jump. i always thought it look sick when there wasn't a side jump
in the vid or pic. i remember dave c. and thall were hitting a dfd with no jump jus a small platform and they were doing nollies and ollies on to it. magnus got them nollies on lock,
him and warnick only ones I've seen who makes them look good.
soupskiers are rollerbladers.
case in point ABM vs Vincent Gagnier in SLVSH. so not looking forward to see all the kids backsliding snd frontsliding and that foot dragging straight fruit booter trick. totally respect them for sliding a fucking quad kink with one foot but fuck me. if thats the future, im out. ima snowboard.
Dennis_Reynoldswatching the new bunch edit reminded me of like a supreme skate edit or something. Also it seems like they were just fucking around, hitting short rails with pretty much no lips.
Thoughts?
KaleThere are no rules
KaleThere are no rules
Me_N_ChrisSkateboarding is mad technical and difficult even for small features, unlike skiing. In skateboarding you are not attached to your equipment, and using your equipment requires unique body posture and motor skills. If you think about it, skiers stand up like normal, they jump like normal, they spin like normal. That's why you see NS'ers jibbing curbs and slaying tricks like 270 on pretzel 630 out in the off season. Skiing body mechanics are directly relatable. Skiing is honestly easy. The biggest rail a skateboarder has slid is dwarfed by the rails skiers can/ have slid. So when a skier is hitting a 3 set staircase, how is that cool. A 1st grader with his mom could jump that. So why is a grown man/ woman thinking that this feature is cool and what they are doing has this disproportionate value? Essentially my point is, Skateboarding and Skiing play by different rules. So to finish my rant I pose this question, "If Skiing and Skateboarding are so relatable and similar, why don't you see skateboarders doing 30 foot disasters to rails or doubles in the streets?"
Me_N_ChrisSkateboarding is mad technical and difficult even for small features, unlike skiing. In skateboarding you are not attached to your equipment, and using your equipment requires unique body posture and motor skills. If you think about it, skiers stand up like normal, they jump like normal, they spin like normal. That's why you see NS'ers jibbing curbs and slaying tricks like 270 on pretzel 630 out in the off season. Skiing body mechanics are directly relatable. Skiing is honestly easy. The biggest rail a skateboarder has slid is dwarfed by the rails skiers can/ have slid. So when a skier is hitting a 3 set staircase, how is that cool. A 1st grader with his mom could jump that. So why is a grown man/ woman thinking that this feature is cool and what they are doing has this disproportionate value? Essentially my point is, Skateboarding and Skiing play by different rules. So to finish my rant I pose this question, "If Skiing and Skateboarding are so relatable and similar, why don't you see skateboarders doing 30 foot disasters to rails or doubles in the streets?"
Me_N_ChrisSkateboarding is mad technical and difficult even for small features, unlike skiing. In skateboarding you are not attached to your equipment, and using your equipment requires unique body posture and motor skills. If you think about it, skiers stand up like normal, they jump like normal, they spin like normal. That's why you see NS'ers jibbing curbs and slaying tricks like 270 on pretzel 630 out in the off season. Skiing body mechanics are directly relatable. Skiing is honestly easy. The biggest rail a skateboarder has slid is dwarfed by the rails skiers can/ have slid. So when a skier is hitting a 3 set staircase, how is that cool. A 1st grader with his mom could jump that. So why is a grown man/ woman thinking that this feature is cool and what they are doing has this disproportionate value? Essentially my point is, Skateboarding and Skiing play by different rules. So to finish my rant I pose this question, "If Skiing and Skateboarding are so relatable and similar, why don't you see skateboarders doing 30 foot disasters to rails or doubles in the streets?"
a_burgerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqdKCCOxy6k
ClamjunkiesI get what your saying, but I think OP was just saying the style was similar, not the specific tricks, or how big they are going. I think surfing and paddle boarding are very similar, even though surfers are doing all kinds of crazy airs, and paddle boarders just kind of go down the line.
a_burgerI disagree, skiing and skateboarding don't play by different rules. Someone could just as easily put bindings on a skateboard and start doing disasters and shit, just like people could start hitting urban with nordic gear.
the rules are the same, we just chose to play the game different ways. either way looking at just difficulty is ignoring a huge chunk of the picture
Dennis_ReynoldsIf somthings cool, its cool. Why does it need to be difficult to be cool? You can sketch the fuck out of a 270 on 6 out and I bet it still wouldn't look as cool as Bmack doing a nolie lip on to switch on a 4 foot rail.
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However, appreciation of style is incredibly subjective. So let's exclude that.
a_burgerBut I've seen snowboarder kids at my home mountain doing kickflips?
I'm not even sure what point your trying to make. Even if skiing and skateboarding are different what does that have to do with people hitting smaller street spots? Your assuming everyone cares about difficulty, when if they did they probably wouldn't be filming these spots anyways.
I'm not sure theres any point in discussing this further if your gonna say this. might as well exclude it from slopestyle judging and big air too.
Me_N_ChrisIf you are a skier hitting a tiny feature, it is not cool because everyone can do it. It may be fun. But to me it is not cool. And with this in regards to filming, I believe you film cool stuff, not boring things that everyone can do.
My point is don't film tiny little features doing simple tricks because it is worthless in my opinion as stated above.
The reason I'd like to exclude style is simple. If you think The Bunch is stylish, I disagree. I think they ski funny and dress funny. I think the OG Jiberish Team is stylish. You might disagree with that. You might think they ski funny and dress funny. Style is subjective because no one can agree on the best style, and everyone has a valid argument to why their style choice is the best. I wanted to do away with an off-topic subjective debate on style, and stay only on the objective debate "is urban skiing slowly becoming skateboarding?"
So it's possible to kickflip a snowboard. Maybe I should have said Fakie 720 Gazelle Flip. But still it stands. Having something attached to your feet or not changes the rules of how those sports operate. The mechanics are undeniably physically different. Thus a sport that requires attachment to your equipment cannot become a sport that has no attachment to its equipment.
If you don't understand anything I just said I will put it as plainly as possible:
No, urban skiing is not slowly becoming skateboarding because it physically cannot.
Don't film tiny little features doing simple tricks because it is worthless.
Style is subjective.
Me_N_ChrisI see cool as a trait or action that is unique. Because if everyone is cool, than nothing is cool. (Example: the cool kids at school are always a small group, never half or more of the school. And even within that group there might only be a few cool cool kids.) So a kid that can 270 on 630 out sketch will always entertain me more because less people can do it, making it cool. While a nollie lip on to a 4 foot handrail is an action that is much more easily replicated. I have never 270'd on 630'd out, and I only personally know 4 people at my home resort to have done that, one being professional and two being amateur (minor sponsorships). But I know 90% of my home hill park skiers can nollie lip on a to a 8 foot rail. And the 10% can learn in a few days maximum. I know because I've been a ski coach. Now there is the argument of style plays a factor. However, appreciation of style is incredibly subjective. So let's exclude that
a_burgerI agree with you on the first point, skiing is not becoming skateboarding because skiing is vast and a small group hitting urban differently does not represent a shift in the whole sport
However, I think your definition of cool is flawed. Coolness is not objectively based on difficulty, it like style is subjective. Hell pretty much all of newschool skiing is subjective. If you want objective difficulty go to moguls/aerials.
My point is that skiing is not one single thing, which is rad. It's been around so long theres so many ways to enjoy it that of course some people are gonna start drifting towards skateboarding, and some people will like watching it. And theres no reason they should stop.
Dennis_Reynolds
Me_N_ChrisBut at the end of a day you can't kick flip a ski.
Me_N_ChrisI agree most of Newschool skiing is subjective. But difficulty is the only way to objectively measure skiing. We can all agree, a front 270 on a box rail is less difficult than a 450 on pretzel 450 on a handrail. That is objectively true and is validated by the community. So I agree let skateboarding skiers skate, but objectively what they do is not difficult. And if we were to operationalize it with my term cool (i.e. Difficulty = cool, cool = valuable) then it's worthless.
I'd argue that I've posed a very objective point above to why my point is not subjective.
Peter.scrolled through this whole thread and still no link to the edit that OP is talking about? come on guys
brotoLol youre a chump bud. Comparing apples to oranges. You don't have to spin like a top to do something considered difficult or cool. You have boxed skiing into this idea of what you think it should be and I only feel sorry for you because skiing got a lot more fun when I realized that a sesh on a rock or log can be as much fun as a sesh on a dfd
Me_N_ChrisIf you read the entire exchange above you would have realized your argument has already been debated on and nullified.
I stated previously that Skiing and Skateboarding are like apples and oranges. Both are action sports with a similar demographic. But they function on different sets of rules. And the set of rules being defined by whether the sport is attached to their equipment or not. Just like Apples and Oranges are fruit. But Oranges are a Citrus fruit and apples are a Pome fruit.
I operationalized "difficulty" and "coolness" as value. I said in my last post, being fun does not give an action enough value to be considered valuable enough to receive praise for the tricks done. It must be accompanied with Difficulty. Also I stated above, please go have fun with your friends and skate on your skis all you want. But it will not have the objective value you think it has.
And yes, I do agree you don't have to "spin like a top" to do a cool trick. You can blunt side a quad kink or switch 5050 a handrail, and those would both be cool and difficult, which means valuable in this debate. But nollie lip sliding a 4 foot hand rail presumed to be cool (cool being synonymous with difficult, and both terms equalling valuable) is a joke.
So I urge you to not start arguments that have already been had and then proceed to riddle them with insults. Especially if your argument's biggest points are "You're a chump, because you don't get it."
Me_N_ChrisIf you are a skier hitting a tiny feature, it is not cool because everyone can do it. It may be fun. But to me it is not cool. And with this in regards to filming, I believe you film cool stuff, not boring things that everyone can do.
My point is don't film tiny little features doing simple tricks because it is worthless in my opinion as stated above.
The reason I'd like to exclude style is simple. If you think The Bunch is stylish, I disagree. I think they ski funny and dress funny. I think the OG Jiberish Team is stylish. You might disagree with that. You might think they ski funny and dress funny. Style is subjective because no one can agree on the best style, and everyone has a valid argument to why their style choice is the best. I wanted to do away with an off-topic subjective debate on style, and stay only on the objective debate "is urban skiing slowly becoming skateboarding?"
So it's possible to kickflip a snowboard. Maybe I should have said Fakie 720 Gazelle Flip. But still it stands. Having something attached to your feet or not changes the rules of how those sports operate. The mechanics are undeniably physically different. Thus a sport that requires attachment to your equipment cannot become a sport that has no attachment to its equipment.
If you don't understand anything I just said I will put it as plainly as possible:
No, urban skiing is not slowly becoming skateboarding because it physically cannot.
Don't film tiny little features doing simple tricks because it is worthless.
Style is subjective.
a_burgerfor the record I still do not agree with you, I just stopped responding because you aren't listening
objective value is just as subjective as style. Hell even difficulty is subjective, a nollie lipslide is a nollie lipslide, if you can do one on a 4 foot rail you can do one on a 40 foot dfd, its the same motion just your gonna be going a lot faster
tl;dr theres no objectively right/wrong way to ski or film skiing.
T-Lan_DistrictTotally agree. No one wants to watch some teenage something doing a butter across a fucking 4ft long bench. If your gonna film street it's like backcountry. You're supposed to put work in. If you want to have fun go to the park. That being said street can be fun but that's usually after alot of work setting up and finally getting the trick. For the kids saying no one films like Stept cause stacking shots is wasting time, your a Goon.
Me_N_ChrisAfter review of your latest season edit, I can tell you have little grasp on technical rail skiing. So I will pardon you for your silly comment that a 4 foot rail is of equal difficulty as a 40 foot double kinked rail. Just please don't make the same mistake twice.
Also IF3 and every ski film production company who has ever entered IF3 highly disagrees that there is no objective way to ski.