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tomPietrowskiawesome boots in my opinion. One of the lightest alpine boots you can get which is always going to be a benefit. They perhaps dont have the smallest volume for a 98mm boot but hey like any boot they need to fit you to work. But if they do fit you certainly wont be going wrong with these boots
tomPietrowskiawesome boots in my opinion. One of the lightest alpine boots you can get which is always going to be a benefit. They perhaps dont have the smallest volume for a 98mm boot but hey like any boot they need to fit you to work. But if they do fit you certainly wont be going wrong with these boots
1KSheehanAnd would they be any good for park?
scratchskier321can't it get smaller than 98, and total volume after the shell heat fit?
tomPietrowskiawesome boots in my opinion. One of the lightest alpine boots you can get which is always going to be a benefit. They perhaps dont have the smallest volume for a 98mm boot but hey like any boot they need to fit you to work. But if they do fit you certainly wont be going wrong with these boots
JibbaTheHutthows the peformance? by cutting weight has the lateral stiffness been affected? i'm sure i watched a video describing where weigh was cut and it looked like the backbone of the boot had been reduced significantly, does affect how the boot skis?
onenerdykidWhen we started making this boot, one of the most important points was not to reduce performance for sake of getting light. Too many boots have gone down that road, and it's never a good compromise. Borrowing from what we learned in our touring boot, the Backland, we made the shell and cuff like a bike frame- thin where it can be, super reinforced where it needs to be. The result is a boot that is as light as many touring boots, but with a real 130 flex (or 120, 110, 100).
While flex is not a standardized thing, we want to make all of our 130s feel as similar as possible (and other flexes for that matter). We have a really awesome robot that flexes our boots and plots the flex pattern. We adjust the material hardnesses accordingly to arrive at (what we think at least) a 130 should be.
These boots also use a super special PU plastic where the flex characteristics don't change in super warm temps or super cold temps. Most of us are aware that a boot will stiffen significantly in the cold or get softer when warm (in store or spring skiing). That won't happen nearly as much with these boots- the flex stays consistent.
LSM was one of the first athletes to get a pair of these and he's beyond stoked with how they are working for him. Being able to drop over a pound off each boot is a super noticeable and beneficial thing while skiing.
HarambeThis is off topic (somewhat) but how do you actually determine the boots flex? Like how do you decide what a 100 flex boots stiffness should be? Is there an industry standard (most brands have reasonably similar flex feeling like a 120 Atomic boot doesn't feel very different flex wise to a Technica 120) for flex rating or do you just base it off feeling and the boots material and construction?
onenerdykidWe start by analyzing the main competitors in the segment. We buy them all, ski them, put them in the robot, gather all of the data & tester feedback, and see how they all stack up. Some are on the stiffer side of the spectrum, some are on the softer side, some are in the middle.
We've always thought of our brand as a performance oriented brand, so we tend to fall on the stiffer side of the spectrum compared to other brands. We may not be the stiffest brand on the market, but we are far from the softest. If there were a standard, we like to think that we could be that standard. Flex is a topic we take pretty seriously and we really try to be as accurate and consistent as possible.
onenerdykidPowder Mag just dropped a pretty sweet review on the boot:
http://www.powder.com/gear-locker/atomic-hawx-ultra-130/#ZG6fRiQ1yhIM5oT9.97
scratchskier321can these boots reduce volume after heat feat? or only get bigger?
1KSheehanBest thing I have done, going to a ski boot fitter. Went to the boot fitters funny enough, he recommended Atomic hawx Ultra 130 for me after measuring and sizing me. Did the custom fit and foot bed absolute sweet. super Lightweight, responsive and holds my feet very well.
onenerdykidAlso named one of 2017's Top 11 boots by Freeskier!
http://freeskier.com/gear/atomic-hawx-ultra-130-review-2017
1KSheehanSo the boots are super awsome everything but too stiff, the guy mentioned to me I can remove the bolts at the back to reduce the stiffness (flex) how much would this reduce. The 130 flex?
SlowGrooveI am looking at the Atomic Hawx Ultra 120 or 130. (I demoed last year’s Hawx — too wide but otherwise great — and then tried on many boots at local shops recently and the Hawx Ultra won for my feet, but both shops only carried the 120.) Atomic lists the 120 and 130 as having identical weight and both have the Platinum liner which I want. The visible difference seem to be color and that the 130 has two screws in the back, while the 120 has one of the screws removed. So, my question is whether the difference is primarily color and the presence of the second screw or is there something in the plastic that is stiffer in the 130, yet apparently weighs the same? If they can be adjusted up or down to equivalent stiffness, I’ll buy the 120s from a local shop, otherwise I’ll wait until I can get one on each foot somewhere and compare the feel — yes, I can be a little obsessive about this stuff. Thanks for considering the question.
onenerdykidOn the 130, it would drop it down to a 120. But there are also 110 and 100 flexes available.
cobra_commanderhave someone cut the lower.
Or just buy the less expensive but still pretty awesome 110 Ultra
WildBANimalAwesome fitting boot... finally a good medium-low volume offering from Atomic after years of fitting only fat feet into Hawx boots and hoping for the best in the mediocre redster shape...
Heel hold and midfoot hold is fucking awesome, and the plastic they use is great.
I just can't wait for when they inevitably make a touring version of the same boot.
cobra_commanderMidseason release I believe. Not sure why they didn't lead with it?
WildBANimal...stupid nordica not making a doberman touring boot.
WildBANimalI just can't wait for when they inevitably make a touring version of the same boot.
onenerdykidUgh, at least the boot you're hoping for won't be as much of a let down as that failed gif attempt
spurtbomHi people
I've tried the atomic hawx ultra 130 in my bootfitting shop recently but haven't bought them yet or tried them out on the slopes.
I am however wondering if I should buy them or, and this I why I'm posting this cause I want your opinion on this subject, the tecnica mach 1 (R) 130 LV
In short about my skiing: I used to do slalom on a beer league level (started too late, 35 now) and might take it on later on but I'm a ski instructor in my spare time and school holidays. I do ski since I was very young and like to ski aggressively but since I bought a pair of blizzard brahma's it can be a bit more playful too ;-)
My last pair of boots are the Lange RS 130
so in short: I would love to have a comfortable boot but still stiff enough (hence the 130 flex which I consider to be a must have) to ski on my level
thx a lot already
ps: It's kinda urgent lol
onenerdykidThe 120 is for sure the most bang-for-the-buck, as it's basically 90% of the 130. But the 130 has some sweet upgrades. Besides the 130 being slightly stiffer, it also uses a Grilamid cuff (super light, super strong plastic) where the 120 is normal PU. This means the 130 is slightly stiffer, slightly lighter, and less temperature sensitive (= constant flex in different temperatures) vs. the 120.
scratchskier321why do companies water down 120-100 flex boots like that?
onenerdykidTo hit different price points. Not everyone can afford an $850 ski boot. So we do our best to downgrade the boot, but take super care not to "cheapen" it. In fact, if you look at what you get with our ski boots vs. other competitors on the same price point, we will 99% of the time have more/better features. It ultimately comes down to this at the end of the day: when the end consumer wants to spend less money, they will get less. That goes for cars, bikes, TVs, houses, boats, shoes, etc.
But to a point I think you were making/alluding to, I think there are different ways that products can be downgraded. The tricky thing is that the boot market has a "barometer" in place and it's hard to go against it. I totally agree with you that some people want a 100 flex boot with the best liner (usually found in a 130) but so few people (in the grand scheme of buying ski boots) would pay top dollar for a 100 flex boot. The big problem is that so much of the boot market places value on a flex number. So if Atomic has a 100 flex boot with a premium liner but Competitor-X offers a 120 flex boot with a lesser liner for the same price, the market buys more of Competitor-X instead of Atomic. It can be frustrating at times, believe me.
scratchskier321do you think ppl tend to buy boots too stiff? aka if you lied and sold the 130 name as like a actual 115... do you think it would sell better?
scratchskier321do you think ppl tend to buy boots too stiff? aka if you lied and sold the 130 name as like a actual 115... do you think it would sell better?
onenerdykidAh, I think I misread your question at first but still ending up addressing it...
TopsenAny plans on making a wider version of the Ultra?
ABskierIf I buy the 130 and take the bolt out to make it a 120, is there still a bolt in the back, or is the cuff totally free? Also can I use more traditional methods to soften the boot (like cutting the lower)?
SessionOneornery,
I read that the boot can be blown out to 104mm? How accurate is this. Also as someone who has a high instep, how does the boot fit in those regards. For reference. I was unable to make the OG Ghost work due to my instep.
And obviously...Bootfitter. Just curious about your boot.
ABskierI measured a 25.5 with callipers and it grew 11mm after moulding it.
I think the boot is pretty cool. Just can't justify the price difference from like a raptor 120 or an allspeed elite 130.
spurtbomHi people
I've tried the atomic hawx ultra 130 in my bootfitting shop recently but haven't bought them yet or tried them out on the slopes.
I am however wondering if I should buy them or, and this I why I'm posting this cause I want your opinion on this subject, the tecnica mach 1 (R) 130 LV
In short about my skiing: I used to do slalom on a beer league level (started too late, 35 now) and might take it on later on but I'm a ski instructor in my spare time and school holidays. I do ski since I was very young and like to ski aggressively but since I bought a pair of blizzard brahma's it can be a bit more playful too ;-)
My last pair of boots are the Lange RS 130
so in short: I would love to have a comfortable boot but still stiff enough (hence the 130 flex which I consider to be a must have) to ski on my level
thx a lot already
ps: It's kinda urgent lol
