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Who doesn't love to see an edit with some nice fatty carves? Whether theyre layin out fancy switch carves, leaning into a cork 7 on a 100 ft booter, or charging down an AK runout at Mach 10, proper carving shows control, looks fuckin delicious, and is a whole lot of fun
What do you guys think about carving in freesking today? Who cant carve for for shit? Best examples of good looking carves? Rather would ski like a flatfoot? Let's hear it
I'll start with this instant classic from Peyben with a bunch of slippery ones, like @1:38
I've been doing them a lot this past season, it's hard to get the balance at first but so fun when your hauling ass and just sit down and rely on the speed to keep you from falling. This next year I want to do one off a jump knuckle and try to land switch, sounds bad for acls tho
Carving tricks are way underrated in both doing and watching them. Nothing more satisfying than grabbing safety while making a huge arching turn. Edge control shows who is truly skilled and who isn't
Pole-LessI have a pair of racing skis to literally carve around the mountain, out of the park. Sometimes nice to take a break from the park and mob around.
Agree...got my nordica race skis which just rip up a storm for those super super icy days.
When everyone else is sliding around im still railing turns into the ice at mach 10 its so much fun.
j.w.vCarving tricks are way underrated in both doing and watching them. Nothing more satisfying than grabbing safety while making a huge arching turn. Edge control shows who is truly skilled and who isn't
Carving has to feel good, and it has to be done at terminal velocity*, and it has to be done all day and without poles. It also has to be done on pow or groomers.
* you aren't ever worried about going to fast, if anything you are worried about going to slow.
This is why heartcarving dominates.. whether on SL skis, skiboards, heartslayers or anything else coming down the line. I'm in it for the long haul.. because I can be.
Carving pow is the answer to sluff. Whoever can do that well will be the next CT.
i honestly think everybody should, at least once a season, jump on a set of SL skis and just enjoy a days carving. There isnt anything quite like getting into a rhythm of short turns
brotoYou say this like pollard hasn't been lacing up beautiful switch carves in deep pow for years
Mr White will end up heartcarving.. I didn't want to say that.. but with the way things are going, I can just see the segment "When Worlds Collide" . He should actually take up my heartslayers are start practicing. He spends so much time on my FB I don't know what's holding him back. Imagine that, a CT vs SW ski-off.
baby_HCCarving pow is the answer to sluff. Whoever can do that well will be the next CT.
Ok.....people carve powder everyday. Slough is an inevitability in powder skiing on any terrain above a certain gradient/pitch, coupled with soft snow. Slough has nothing to do with ski technique insofar as that it is impossible to completely eliminate it, regardless of how you're skiing. Sure, you can purposefully create more of it by smearing turns, and a huge part of being a competent skier is managing slough, but you can't "carve so perfectly" to completely eliminate it.
That just makes no sense. If you disturb snow with mass and acceleration, the snow is going to move downhill given the slope angle is great enough. Snow is not monolithic, and it isn't tethered (well there is surface tension and some bonding all contingent on many factors, but still...), you can often scoop it up and blow it away with no effort.....skiing at 40mph on 48 degree slope is going to cause blower pow to move downhill, regardless of how gingerly you're laying your skis on edge.
Once again, you make zero sense.
I_liketobutterI want to upvote this.
J skis or Line needs to bring back the elizabeth. Best carving park ski ever. Still ride mine a ton.
Gotta disagree with you there. I'd argue the exact opposite. It's a wide, little sidecut, centermounted, incredibly noodly soft ski with rocker. There's nothing about it that makes it a good carving ski? I'm not saying it isn't very fun and playful, and buttery, but a carver? bruh.
casualGotta disagree with you there. I'd argue the exact opposite. It's a wide, little sidecut, centermounted, incredibly noodly soft ski with rocker. There's nothing about it that makes it a good carving ski? I'm not saying it isn't very fun and playful, and buttery, but a carver? bruh.
I suppose it all depends on the type of carving you want to do. I came from skiing FIS slalom, so 12.5m turn radius. Lizzies have 17m which is a hell of a lot of fun and shorter than most twins out there. Sure it's not a super high speed carver, but its a shit load of fun linking slalom sized turns together. It's also cambered, no rocker....well, until you ski them 100+ days, then they become zero rocker.
No people slarve powder everyday, and you can thank McConkey for that. A dreadful technique, looks bad, and makes a real mess of the mountain-side. This is why I stopped watching all backcountry vids years ago. I occasionally watch CT because he looks like a comet more than anything.
Says Shane from link above:
- Just slide or carve your turns as you choose. Or do both and "slarve" 'em
- Stop bouncing and forget about the up-and-down motion. You don't need it to actively float rockered skis because the opposite camber keeps them on top of the snow. Don't be afraid to go fast. If you need to control your speed, just throw them sideways. [you got yourself a mini-avalanche right there]
- Your tips and tails won't be pushing into the snow, so this is the easiest and quickest way to get your skis around.
- Jump into narrow chutes and slarve. Rockered skis will be in constant contact with the snow — just swish them around.
D-bags think they ski, but they are merely wiping the mountain.
I_liketobutterI suppose it all depends on the type of carving you want to do. I came from skiing FIS slalom, so 12.5m turn radius. Lizzies have 17m which is a hell of a lot of fun and shorter than most twins out there. Sure it's not a super high speed carver, but its a shit load of fun linking slalom sized turns together. It's also cambered, no rocker....well, until you ski them 100+ days, then they become zero rocker.
That's cool man, and about the camber......the Elizabeth didn't have early rise in the tip and tail? I could've sworn they were flat cambered and had early rise...damn I'm getting old. My bad. Really cool ski all the same. Watching GFunk ski those bad boys was revelatory and really opened a new lane for park skiing.
baby_HCNo people slarve powder everyday, and you can thank McConkey for that. A dreadful technique, looks bad, and makes a real mess of the mountain-side. This is why I stopped watching all backcountry vids years ago. I occasionally watch CT because he looks like a comet more than anything.
Says Shane from link above:
- Just slide or carve your turns as you choose. Or do both and "slarve" 'em
- Stop bouncing and forget about the up-and-down motion. You don't need it to actively float rockered skis because the opposite camber keeps them on top of the snow. Don't be afraid to go fast. If you need to control your speed, just throw them sideways. [you got yourself a mini-avalanche right there]
- Your tips and tails won't be pushing into the snow, so this is the easiest and quickest way to get your skis around.
- Jump into narrow chutes and slarve. Rockered skis will be in constant contact with the snow — just swish them around.
D-bags think they ski, but they are merely wiping the mountain.
I am tempted to totally ignore this post because you don't really address the central point, that being that generating slough is completely unavoidable. As for your claim that all people simply swivel around in powder, it just isn't true.
People do carve turns in powder, and they still generate slough....you know, because it's physics. Even a pure carve will displace snow, and guess what happens when that snow is displaced? It goes downhill, accelerates, and entraps more snow.
Carving on piste doesn't displace snow because only the 2mm of edge or whatever is in contact with the snow. In a meter of fresh snow, laying the skis on edge doesn't change the fact that the base of the ski when angulated acts like a plow and from the midpoint of the turn to the bottom of the turn before releasing the edge, you will push a shit ton of snow down the hill, it's guaranteed.
And, you have an incredibly rigid idea about what constitutes skiing for a guy so invested in attempting to redefine what's possible in skiing.
How can you wear head necklaces to align your chakras and give you the balls to rollerblade but also disparage people using all kinds of turn styles and shapes to move through terrain? There's nothing at all ugly about surfy smear turns. In fact, I think they're fucking sexy, and I'm not alone. Well placed smears and slarves are tools to be used like any other turn shape. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't ever want to watch someone do nothing but medium radius carved turns down a face.
And, somehow trying to disparage Shane is just gross. He opened a world of possibilities by introducing new ski designs. His contributions as a skier, ski designer, ambassador, and a human being are staggering.
Good to see you're still NS's numero uno shit poster, shows real commitment on your part. I'm going to head in to that other thread and probably argue another one of your stupid posts, see you over there, dude.
casualWell placed smears and slarves are tools to be used like any other turn shape. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't ever want to watch someone do nothing but medium radius carved turns down a face.
Probably the most useful and agreeable thing you've said, I don't know what the future holds, but if the shape of the ski radically changes, there's going to be a new world of skiing. Coming from the old-school, you should know that that is the case. Plake and Schmidt if they were born 20 years later could athletically and physically compete with anyone today, it's just that their equipment was different, and only had a Map and Mind of what was given to them at that time.
baby_HCProbably the most useful and agreeable thing you've said, I don't know what the future holds, but if the shape of the ski radically changes, there's going to be a new world of skiing. Coming from the old-school, you should know that that is the case. Plake and Schmidt if they were born 20 years later could athletically and physically compete with anyone today, it's just that their equipment was different, and only had a Map and Mind of what was given to them at that time.
I agree with all of that. I think though you're underselling the significance of progression. Skateboarding's equipment has hardly changed in what.....something like 25 years? Yet, the boundaries of that sport have been completely obliterated. It's not because people are simply better athletes, or are somehow inherently more brave or less risk adverse. It's progressed because when people see what others have done, it expands what people believe to be possible. It takes a lot of vision and creativity to innovate on a skateboard, or skis for that matter, and with the knowledge of what people WERE doing, it's much easier to incrementally advance that.
This is heartcarving 1.0 from 2008 on SL skis. It may help to watch in 0.5 speed.
My arms are out because I hadn't started working on arm position when that vid was shot.
I purposely skied with as minimal twist as possible in my body... ie I kept my body straight.
This is the purest heartcarving you can access now. If you think I'm wack -- go try to ski like that on some SL skis.
My arms aren't "out in front" like is always told to people.
Also my body is not "always facing downhill" as is always told to people. As such, this is low stress, but very enjoyable skiing. It is difficult though, because there is a lot of commitment involved in executing those turns. I took that skiing with me and obliterated everyone I met with it.
Best stuff at 1:39. Notice how these are racers without poles, and where the gates have become pontoons. I think one of the challenges of carving technique is laying even pressure on the ski throughout an entire turn sequence, and not unweighting too much between edges: too jerky and unstable. Anyhow, if carving ever comes to America, it's gonna have to set example for these Eurotards.
No one makes turns anymore, its all about straight lining and launching. Skiing needs to go back to hotdogging, making epic turns in deep pow and the daffy. A revolution is comming, the time of the rabbis' is approaching!!
MailManNo one makes turns anymore, its all about straight lining and launching. Skiing needs to go back to hotdogging, making epic turns in deep pow and the daffy. A revolution is comming, the time of the rabbis' is approaching!!
So true, then people can stop shitting on me for being trash at park
How I see it, the ski shapes of today are going to one day look as ridiculous as the ones below, as are the constructions.
(my brother and I)
My heartslayers warped after a few days.. so if you're doing radical carves, there are going to be radical pressures built up in the ski, especially if your body is efficient at holding the carve, ie being relatively straight. Wood just may not be up to the job, and if you're using carbon fiber or kevlar, then that's going to be costly and add complexity to the build process. I just don't know.
baby_HCHow I see it, the ski shapes of today are going to one day look as ridiculous as the ones below, as are the constructions.
(my brother and I)
My heartslayers warped after a few days.. so if you're doing radical carves, there are going to be radical pressures built up in the ski, especially if your body is efficient at holding the carve, ie being relatively straight. Wood just may not be up to the job, and if you're using carbon fiber or kevlar, then that's going to be costly and add complexity to the build process. I just don't know.
I 100% agree with you. Though you have to think that the high price of materials will such as carbon fibre and Kevlar will come down over time. Look at phones, hella expensive one day, cheap as chips the next. I am definitely excited for the future of strapping to planks of shit to your feet.
