Another attack in France

Vibes.

Sometimes I lose faith in the good of humanity

J_SSometimes I lose faith in the good of humanity

Let me help you with that.



https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/832781/Carl-Sagan--We-Humans-Are-Capable-Of-Greatness

Dude got so many points.

I kid. That blows. Apparently a lot of families in the crowd. What scum.

Islam is simply not compatible with the Western world.


You don't have to ban it or remove muslims or anything that extreme but the few bad apples who don't conform need to be deported back to the middle east along with all their relatives and friends.


Just be happy you can vote for a presidential candidate who gets it and feels this way too. Lots of Europe doesn't even have that option.

This must be stopped!!!

PeppermillRenoIslam is simply not compatible with the Western world.


You don't have to ban it or remove muslims or anything that extreme but the few bad apples who don't conform need to be deported back to the middle east along with all their relatives and friends.


Just be happy you can vote for a presidential candidate who gets it and feels this way too. Lots of Europe doesn't even have that option.

How do you decide who the bad apples are? Who makes that decision?

Europe has drastically different immigration issues than North America. People (generally) can't just cross borders here with the ease they can over there.

Also, in the list of issues America is currently facing, I feel like domestic Islam-related attacks are down the list of pressing concerns.

Heck, toddlers killed more Americans than Muslims in 2015 (not including military operations).

http://www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/

PeppermillRenoIslam is simply not compatible with the Western world.


You don't have to ban it or remove muslims or anything that extreme but the few bad apples who don't conform need to be deported back to the middle east along with all their relatives and friends.


Just be happy you can vote for a presidential candidate who gets it and feels this way too. Lots of Europe doesn't even have that option.

saskskierHow do you decide who the bad apples are? Who makes that decision?

Europe has drastically different immigration issues than North America. People (generally) can't just cross borders here with the ease they can over there.

Also, in the list of issues America is currently facing, I feel like domestic Islam-related attacks are down the list of pressing concerns.

Heck, toddlers killed more Americans than Muslims in 2015 (not including military operations).

http://www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/

How do you spot a bad apple in a bunch? You smell it, you look at it. Bad apples tend to rot and get infested. In this situation, these so called "bad apples" are rotting and being infested with some pseudo form of Islam.

What these assholes are doing has nothing to do with Islam and is so far removed from any roots of what Islam is or is not. When you are picking and choosing parts of a religion, warping its ideologies to some how fit your agenda, you are essentially creating your own version of whatever religion and slapping on the term Islam on it and labelling and prepackaging it as it was the written word.

Look, a lot of these refugees coming in from Syria and other war torn countries tend to have an agenda and these ppl tend to multiply. I'm not saying all refugees are terrorists, but you have to consider that these ppl are entering countries with a bit of a chip on their shoulder, and they are a bit pissed off with their circumstances. And they are the happiest characters, and unhappy people sometimes do unhappy things.

they are NOT the happiest characters**

My sister was a few blocks away from there when it happened. Scary world we live in

God bless the religion of peace huh

So what do you do when the bad apples are like the Nice attacker? He wasn't Syrian. He was Tunisian.

(According to BBC news):
Bouhlel, a chauffeur and delivery man, was "totally unknown to intelligence services... and was never flagged for signs of radicalisation", Mr Molins said.

I suspect as time goes on, we are only going to see more and more 'lone wolf' attacks where they aren't communicating or even affiliated with groups like ISIS. It makes them almost impossible to predict/prevent/stop.

saskskierSo what do you do when the bad apples are like the Nice attacker? He wasn't Syrian. He was Tunisian.

(According to BBC news):
Bouhlel, a chauffeur and delivery man, was "totally unknown to intelligence services... and was never flagged for signs of radicalisation", Mr Molins said.

I suspect as time goes on, we are only going to see more and more 'lone wolf' attacks where they aren't communicating or even affiliated with groups like ISIS. It makes them almost impossible to predict/prevent/stop.

Honestly who knows about the motivation at this point. Some are saying he wasn't super religious, but plowing through a celebration of independence in a customarily Western country doesn't really look good for the whole Allah thing.

TheFlyingJewWhat these assholes are doing has nothing to do with Islam and is so far removed from any roots of what Islam is or is not. When you are picking and choosing parts of a religion, warping its ideologies to some how fit your agenda, you are essentially creating your own version of whatever religion and slapping on the term Islam on it and labelling and prepackaging it as it was the written word.

Yeah, the specifics of "driving a truck into a crowded area" are not in the Qur'an or Hadith, but the basis & justification for killing non-Muslims is pretty well covered in both. To say that jihadists or ISIS or Al-Queda etc. have nothing to do with Islam is a complete falsehood and shows a lack of understanding of Islamic ideology. While there are completely benevolent and compassionate messages in Islam, there are explicit and non-allegorical calls for the murder of non-believers, extending up to full blown genocide. Neither of which require a verse to be bent or twisted- it's written in very plain black and white.

onenerdykidYeah, the specifics of "driving a truck into a crowded area" are not in the Qur'an or Hadith, but the basis & justification for killing non-Muslims is pretty well covered in both. To say that jihadists or ISIS or Al-Queda etc. have nothing to do with Islam is a complete falsehood and shows a lack of understanding of Islamic ideology. While there are completely benevolent and compassionate messages in Islam, there are explicit and non-allegorical calls for the murder of non-believers, extending up to full blown genocide. Neither of which require a verse to be bent or twisted- it's written in very plain black and white.

brother, your wrong

this is such an obvious response lol

TheFlyingJewbrother, your wrong

this is such an obvious response lol

On the killing of infidels/non-believers

Quran 2:191-193: And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone."

Quran 9:73 – Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

Quran 9:123 – Believers make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.

Quran 4:95-101 – The believers who stay at home –apart from those that suffer from a grave impediment – are not the equal of those who fight for the cause of God with their goods and their persons… He that leaves his dwelling to fight for God and His apostle and is then overtaken by death, shall be rewarded by God. The unbelievers are your inveterate enemies.

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Sahih Muslim (41:6985) – Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me: come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is a tree of the Jews.


On martrydom

Quran 4:74-78 – Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whoever fights for the cause of God, whether he dies or triumphs, We shall richly reward him… The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan… Say: “Trifling are the pleasures of this life. The hereafter is better for those who would keep from evil…”

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Quran (17:33) "And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right."

Bukhari 52:54 - I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.

Muslims 20:4635 - Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honor that has been bestowed upon him.

Muslims 20:4655 - Of the men he lives the best life who holds the reins of his horse (ever ready to march) in the way of Allah, flies on its back whenever he hears a fearful shriek, or a call for help, flies to it seeking death at places where it can be expected

Muslim (20:4678) - During the battle of Uhud, Muhammad was desperate to push men into battle. He promised paradise for those who would martyr themselves, prompting a young man who was eating dates to throw them away and rush to his death.


On death for apostates

Bukhari, volume 9, #17: "Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam and leaves the Muslims."

Bukhari, volume 9, #57: Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Bukhari, volume 9, #58: Narrated Abu Burda, "Abu Musa said.....Behold there was a fettered man beside Abu Musa. Muadh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Musa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Musa requested Muadh to sit down but Muadh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and his messenger," and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers ....."

Muwatta of Imam Malik #1410: Zaid b. Aslam reported that the Apostle declared that the man who leaves the fold of Islam should be executed.



And there's a lot more, but I think you get the picture (and I didn't even get to the justification of taking sex slaves, slavery in general, or the subjugation of women). How can you argue that the ideology of Islam is not riddled with calls for the murder of non-believers, the murder of ex-Muslims, and a direct appeal for believers to die in the name of Allah? How can you say that I am wrong about what Islam preaches, promotes, and encourages when all of the above comes straight out of main-stream Islamic doctrine?


Your move.

onenerdykidOn the killing of infidels/non-believers

Quran 2:191-193: And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone."

Quran 9:73 – Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

Quran 9:123 – Believers make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.

Quran 4:95-101 – The believers who stay at home –apart from those that suffer from a grave impediment – are not the equal of those who fight for the cause of God with their goods and their persons… He that leaves his dwelling to fight for God and His apostle and is then overtaken by death, shall be rewarded by God. The unbelievers are your inveterate enemies.

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Sahih Muslim (41:6985) – Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me: come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is a tree of the Jews.


On martrydom

Quran 4:74-78 – Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whoever fights for the cause of God, whether he dies or triumphs, We shall richly reward him… The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan… Say: “Trifling are the pleasures of this life. The hereafter is better for those who would keep from evil…”

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Quran (17:33) "And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right."

Bukhari 52:54 - I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.

Muslims 20:4635 - Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honor that has been bestowed upon him.

Muslims 20:4655 - Of the men he lives the best life who holds the reins of his horse (ever ready to march) in the way of Allah, flies on its back whenever he hears a fearful shriek, or a call for help, flies to it seeking death at places where it can be expected

Muslim (20:4678) - During the battle of Uhud, Muhammad was desperate to push men into battle. He promised paradise for those who would martyr themselves, prompting a young man who was eating dates to throw them away and rush to his death.


On death for apostates

Bukhari, volume 9, #17: "Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam and leaves the Muslims."

Bukhari, volume 9, #57: Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Bukhari, volume 9, #58: Narrated Abu Burda, "Abu Musa said.....Behold there was a fettered man beside Abu Musa. Muadh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Musa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Musa requested Muadh to sit down but Muadh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and his messenger," and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers ....."

Muwatta of Imam Malik #1410: Zaid b. Aslam reported that the Apostle declared that the man who leaves the fold of Islam should be executed.



And there's a lot more, but I think you get the picture (and I didn't even get to the justification of taking sex slaves, slavery in general, or the subjugation of women). How can you argue that the ideology of Islam is not riddled with calls for the murder of non-believers, the murder of ex-Muslims, and a direct appeal for believers to die in the name of Allah? How can you say that I am wrong about what Islam preaches, promotes, and encourages when all of the above comes straight out of main-stream Islamic doctrine?


Your move.

copy and pasted right from infowars.com

TheFlyingJewcopy and pasted right from infowars.com

Actually, from all over the interwebs... translations of the Qur'an and Hadiths, and some other random spots. Weird quotation marks came over from my microsoft word document...

Regardless, do you actually have a rebuttal or did you just want to stick to red herring fallacies?

onenerdykidActually, from all over the interwebs... translations of the Qur'an and Hadiths, and some other random spots. Weird quotation marks came over from my microsoft word document...

Regardless, do you actually have a rebuttal or did you just want to stick to red herring fallacies?

Did you recently take English 101 at some shit school? You are trying way to hard to sound smart by your word choice, and are using terminology that is not even appropriate for a ski-forum. Learn to write properly, and kiss my ass.

TheFlyingJewDid you recently take English 101 at some shit school? You are trying way to hard to sound smart by your word choice, and are using terminology that is not even appropriate for a ski-forum. Learn to write properly, and kiss my ass.

He wrote one slightly uncommon phrase correctly and now he's "trying to sound smart"? What? Is using real English words correctly something to scoff?

Dustin.He wrote one slightly uncommon phrase correctly and now he's "trying to sound smart"? What? Is using real English words correctly something to scoff?

Improperly using words that are out of context.

TheFlyingJewcopy and pasted right from infowars.com

TheFlyingJewDid you recently take English 101 at some shit school? You are trying way to hard to sound smart by your word choice, and are using terminology that is not even appropriate for a ski-forum. Learn to write properly, and kiss my ass.

TheFlyingJewImproperly using words that are out of context.

You obviously need someone to hold your hand through this so let me break it down for you, nice and simple.

-You claimed that jihadists/terrorists have nothing to do with Islam, and I provided you with numerous verses out of the Qur'an & Hadiths that give plenty of justification & encouragement for jihadism, terrorism, and martyrdom.

-Instead of making a counter-argument or rebuttal, you try to change the subject by claiming I got my information from infowars.com, hoping that discredits me in some way. That is the textbook definition of a red herring fallacy- you are trying to lead us off track and talk about something else, rather than address the points I brought up.

-I call you out for using a red herring fallacy but you claim that I am improperly using words and that I am arguing at too high of a level befitting a ski forum.

Well, now I claim that you have absolutely no clue how to argue or understand the basics of informal logic well enough to properly engage in a slightly thought provoking conversation. You couldn't be more wrong about Islam and you suck at arguing. Or you're just a bad troll.

onenerdykidYou obviously need someone to hold your hand through this so let me break it down for you, nice and simple.

-You claimed that jihadists/terrorists have nothing to do with Islam, and I provided you with numerous verses out of the Qur'an & Hadiths that give plenty of justification & encouragement for jihadism, terrorism, and martyrdom.

-Instead of making a counter-argument or rebuttal, you try to change the subject by claiming I got my information from infowars.com, hoping that discredits me in some way. That is the textbook definition of a red herring fallacy- you are trying to lead us off track and talk about something else, rather than address the points I brought up.

-I call you out for using a red herring fallacy but you claim that I am improperly using words and that I am arguing at too high of a level befitting a ski forum.

Well, now I claim that you have absolutely no clue how to argue or understand the basics of informal logic well enough to properly engage in a slightly thought provoking conversation. You couldn't be more wrong about Islam and you suck at arguing. Or you're just a bad troll.

Hey this is thackel you're talking to. the single most retarded person i have known online. for the last 5 fucking years he has never changed, never said anything other than these weird fucking loops of shit. he cannot answer a question, cannot do anything other than mindlessly "troll"? i dont even fucking know. like it was trolling for the first few years, now i am convinced he is mentally ill. source: years of tinychat with this fucking weirdo

onenerdykidYou obviously need someone to hold your hand through this so let me break it down for you, nice and simple.

-You claimed that jihadists/terrorists have nothing to do with Islam, and I provided you with numerous verses out of the Qur'an & Hadiths that give plenty of justification & encouragement for jihadism, terrorism, and martyrdom.

-Instead of making a counter-argument or rebuttal, you try to change the subject by claiming I got my information from infowars.com, hoping that discredits me in some way. That is the textbook definition of a red herring fallacy- you are trying to lead us off track and talk about something else, rather than address the points I brought up.

-I call you out for using a red herring fallacy but you claim that I am improperly using words and that I am arguing at too high of a level befitting a ski forum.

Well, now I claim that you have absolutely no clue how to argue or understand the basics of informal logic well enough to properly engage in a slightly thought provoking conversation. You couldn't be more wrong about Islam and you suck at arguing. Or you're just a bad troll.

just to add on my inbox is full of YEARS of messages from his alts cause he is always getting banned, messages about fucing chicks and espom salts and other weird shit. dont even respond to this fucking fa9

Step 1: Terrorist attack
Step 2: Mass News coverage
Step 3: Candlight vigil with our thumbs up our asses

Bring it back now y'all... aaaaannnd repeat!