US Elections 2016 - Clinton, Trump, ????

RudyGarmischGod does not play dice

onenerdykidFor periodic updates on the statistics and empirical data behind the election/candidates, stay in touch here:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

PeppermillRenoTrump is way ahead the media and all that are lying to create the sense of their being an actual race when there isn't....and because they may try and rig the election if they can. Hilary supports the corporations and big business and is more like a Chris Chistie than a liberal democrat.


Its gonna be fucking awesome when he wins. DEport illegals, build our wall, keep manufacturing jobs in the USA. What is not to like????

Slushpiece of shit

BogsRight, because Trump isn't a piece of shit.

I don't give a shit who anyone supports, and I don't really give a shit about Trump one way or the other, but let's not come in here and act like he's a good person. He's not. Maybe Hillary is worse, I don't know, but Trump is, by no measure, a good person.

SlushAh, sorry sorry. I wasn't trying to put him up on a pedestal and say he was a good person, he's honestly one of the worst human being as far as candidates go.. I just find it funny how trendy it has become for people to hate on trump. But yeah he's a real dickhead

californiagrownTrump doesn't believe what he says, he just says what the people want to hear. Unfortunately this country has a lot of ignorant, bigoted individuals looking for someone or something to blame for their problems.

Trump would be an awesome 2nd term president because he is actually a really smart, moderate guy.


I still don't get why everyone hates Hilary. Seems like your average politician running for president. Nothing really out of the ordinary. No one ever brings up her policies when talking about how terrible she is, so idk why she would be so bad?

SlushI am betting money someone will attempt to assassinate trump if he wins.

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SlushI am betting money someone will attempt to assassinate trump if he wins. He's hated by so many people, I mean I love just saying the word trump and triggering crowds of people into their "he wants to build a wall" and "I'm moving to Canada if he wins" speeches. One of those lame fucks will take the people's election into their own hands and kill our first living meme president

Honestly fuck Hillary. Annoying, law breaking, piece of shit grandma

36ChambersOfWuI love people people who say they will move to Canada if Trump wins. What wrong with Mexico?

russsavokskisI think we should just skip the election this year and wait for better candidates because Clinton and Trump are both complete idiots and will not be good for this country.

THEDIRTYBUBBLEA second American Civil War would be chill

.MASSHOLE.Demographics would like to have a word with you.


And those manufacturing jobs that we "lost" are gone and not coming back. I don't understand how people don't realize this...

.MASSHOLE.Demographics would like to have a word with you.


And those manufacturing jobs that we "lost" are gone and not coming back. I don't understand how people don't realize this...

SconnieExcept the south is too fat to fight now. I wonder what the sides would look like.

SconnieChoosing which candidate I like is like choosing which STD fits me the best.

SourSteezlenot really because you have the option to vote but I'd be surprised if a girl would hold hands with you never mind give you an STD

Scotty_BBernie was a shimmer of hope till the party forced him out.

BogsLike Trump, none of Bernie's ideas, policies would have been implemented. 0% chance. Dude is a crackpot old fool who thinks that 1+1=4

PeppermillRenoTrump is way ahead the media and all that are lying to create the sense of their being an actual race when there isn't....and because they may try and rig the election if they can. Hilary supports the corporations and big business and is more like a Chris Chistie than a liberal democrat.


Its gonna be fucking awesome when he wins. DEport illegals, build our wall, keep manufacturing jobs in the USA. What is not to like????

PeppermillRenoThis.


He could have pushed for realistic things and chose not to and to be an extremist lunatic.



Trump will win but be voted out after 4 years the dems should run a decent candidate in '20. Hilary is a global menace dunno how anyone can want her. Belongs in prison.

WildBANimalYou call Bernie an extremist lunatic for what he pushes for, meanwhile Trump wants to build a zillion dollar mile high wall and claim Mexico will pay for it.

Sure. That's sound logic.


As for Hillary being a global menace... Tell me why she's so bad without bringing up the words "Emails" or "Benghazi".

She's not my favourite because she's another fucking Margaret Thatcher and because she just rips all of her policies and ideas off of others the same way Professors rip off their students' work.... But she's hardly what people who watch too much conservative media or have Bernie too far up their urethra say about her... She's bland and boring. Hardly a menace.



As for Trump winning - He's not bringing new voters to the GOP's case... There aren't enough white, male 45+ folks out there to make up for the stunning lack of support he has in the key states - Florida, Virginia, and Ohio.

How he's going to win all of those three states and steal a blue state, I couldn't fathom what with how he's pretty much created a smear campaign against himself.

PeppermillRenoIm center left in terms of politics (maybe not culturally) I hate Chris Christie types as much as you would.


Trumps day of election turnout will be enormous in places like that. I wouldn't trust the stats. Hes not going to lose Virginia.


Demographics aren't in his favor but that doesn't matter popular sentiment is. WOuld have stood no chance against Bernie if he had a clue.


(Just for example lets take the free college thing....we don't need to mess with private higher education we just need to make state schools not cost 20k+ a year to instate kids with room board and books make it cost around 5 and leave private institutions alone....dude went silent on raising the national minimum wage like a clown. I want poor bastards who have to roll burritos for a living to make 15 an hour that way I can sell them shit.)


Regardless I think BErnie beat HIlary yet they rigged it so I am not sure we will get a fair election. SHe is the establishment 100%.

WildBANimalI don't actually think Bernie beat Hillary... but I do think that Hillary is mediocre.

WildBANimalTuition Free College is attainable. We did it here in California before Reagan came along.

What we need is to make it so private schools don't get the same students on government assisted student loans. If you get student loans to go to a private university, you should have to attain loans from an outside source - thus allowing state schools to compete only for students, rather than the same financial aid availability - would keep tuition rates far far less pricy.

Does this mean room&board and books will be free? No... but tuition free is certainly something we can do, and something we should do if we want to compete on the global stage with nations who have implemented that, or to at least have a workforce that can focus on careers and innovation rather than how they're going to pay back a ridiculous loan at some absurd interest rate.

I don't actually think Bernie beat Hillary... but I do think that Hillary is mediocre. Too many people are like my mother - voting for her because its their first chance to vote for a woman as president - even if there's a perhaps better candidate who just so happens to be old and white.

As for the stats... I mean... even if he wins Virginia and the shitshow that is Florida... he's gotta win Ohio - a state he didn't even do well in against a republican, AND he's got to win say, and Iowa or a Nevada or a New Hampshire...

He won't win in Nevada - there's too many Bernie signs still hanging up around the Peppermill in Reno ;)

SlushI am betting money someone will attempt to assassinate trump if he wins. He's hated by so many people, I mean I love just saying the word trump and triggering crowds of people into their "he wants to build a wall" and "I'm moving to Canada if he wins" speeches. One of those lame fucks will take the people's election into their own hands and kill our first living meme president

Honestly fuck Hillary. Annoying, law breaking, piece of shit grandma

Scotty_BI'm voting for the She-Devil cause I'm pretty sure Trump will try to fight ISIS, China, and Mexico all at the same time lol.

Bernie was a shimmer of hope till the party forced him out. Does anybody think that electoral college votes could be swung by the same backers of primary candidates? In other words the companies that donate to Hillary's campaign funds also swindle electoral college votes to get her elected as the primary.

I'm an Independent involved in renewable energy so Bernie was my top choice.

fuckmekevinAt least Trump hasn't murdered anyone. The Clinton's have a long history of embezzlement, corruption, murder, warmongering, etc. Honestly, just what the corporatists need, someone to write off what ever they want.

BogsIs a candidate who most publicized policies are ones that are almost definitely not going to be implemented anytime soon not mediocre?

Running on a platform of "free things for everyone without having to significantly raise taxes" isn't that much less absurd than a platform of "let's build a wall"

WildBANimalDoes it matter if those policies aren't implemented soon due to congress? If, hypothetically, Bernie were the candidate, and rolled on an Obama 2008- like train of hype, the congress could likely switch hands and, like Obama did with the ACA, Bernie could push through some sorts of policies. Perhaps not all, and perhaps not tuition free universities, but he could at least push though legislation making it more affordable, or lowering interest rates on student loans to those the banks fuckin get...

No candidate gets all their promises fullfilled... it's just not a thing that happens, and people know that...

The differences here are things that could help us - like tuition free higher education, or higher minimum wage, and a zillion dollar latino apartheid wall that is 110% not going to ever happen.

WildBANimalDoes it matter if those policies aren't implemented soon due to congress? If, hypothetically, Bernie were the candidate, and rolled on an Obama 2008- like train of hype, the congress could likely switch hands and, like Obama did with the ACA, Bernie could push through some sorts of policies. Perhaps not all, and perhaps not tuition free universities, but he could at least push though legislation making it more affordable, or lowering interest rates on student loans to those the banks fuckin get...

No candidate gets all their promises fullfilled... it's just not a thing that happens, and people know that...

The differences here are things that could help us - like tuition free higher education, or higher minimum wage, and a zillion dollar latino apartheid wall that is 110% not going to ever happen.

theBearJewWhat a joke. She broke the law, but were not recommending any charges, however if someone else did this, they may not get away with it.

Anyone else have thoughts on what the FBI director just said?

.MASSHOLE.I'm no lawyer, nor will I pretend to know anything about this law, but my guess is that proving "intent" is EXTREMELY hard and an uphill battle.

This article was extremely interesting, and was written ~3 months ago.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-prosecution-past-cases-221744

What stuck out to me was the following passage:

"Between 2011 and 2015, federal prosecutors disposed of 30 referrals from investigators in cases where the main proposed charge was misdemeanor mishandling of classified information, according to data obtained from the Justice Department by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse. Prosecution was declined in 80 percent of those cases. Of the six where charges were filed, all the defendants apparently pled guilty, the data show."



The FBI seemed to indicate they agree with this idea about the difficulty of proving intent.


"Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here."


Does this mean they shouldn't have tried? It depends who you ask.

FrozinballzHow is your keyboard not broken yet?

theBearJewWhat a joke. She broke the law, but were not recommending any charges, however if someone else did this, they may not get away with it.

Anyone else have thoughts on what the FBI director just said?

californiagrownDid she actually break the law? It sounds like if she did it was a small infraction that would be impossible to prove. But she's guilty, right? Because fuck innocent till proven guilty.

theBearJewThe FBI Director came out and said a laundry list of things she did that voliated laws, then said that no reasonable Attorney General would prosecute the case and they arent recomending that.

Small infraction, impossible to prove? The fucking proved it in the investigation!

.MASSHOLE.It has to due with the standard of gross negligence and proving it in court.

theBearJewI understand that. Its just frustrating to hear him say everything she did and then recommend doing nothing because proving it is a longshot.

Do Hillary supporters feel like OJ Simpson fans did after he was acquitted? Knowing deep down hes guilty but celebrating anyway?