Creating online training manuals for Ski bindings

You should ask the brands that make the bindings for those, they might have some.

If you need diagram to explain it you are not informed enough to teach others. There is a way people can learn that is free from liability and does not put your ass in a sling when some kid blows his knee up.

Is this training so people can mount their bindings at home? Because that sounds like a bad idea.

Other than that the only thing people should be adjusting on their bindings is the din, which is a simple twist of a screwdriver...

hot.pocketIs this training so people can mount their bindings at home? Because that sounds like a bad idea.

Other than that the only thing people should be adjusting on their bindings is the din, which is a simple twist of a screwdriver...

He never mentioned anything about mounting bindings just adjusting them and setting forward pressure. Setting forward pressure isn't difficult (unless they're FKS/Pivots) and most people should be able to it themselves fine.

Don't know what else you'd really want to adjust on bindings yourself though aside from perhaps toe wing on some bindings.

DonaldTrumpHe never mentioned anything about mounting bindings just adjusting them and setting forward pressure. Setting forward pressure isn't difficult (unless they're FKS/Pivots) and most people should be able to it themselves fine.

Don't know what else you'd really want to adjust on bindings yourself though aside from perhaps toe wing on some bindings.

That's my point though, forward pressure is something the shop that mounted the bindings should adjust and then it (in theory) should be left alone until the bindings are remounted for different boots.

If people had demo bindings mounted up so their friends could try the skis out, then I could see some info about forward pressure being relevant.

hot.pocketThat's my point though, forward pressure is something the shop that mounted the bindings should adjust and then it (in theory) should be left alone until the bindings are remounted for different boots.

If people had demo bindings mounted up so their friends could try the skis out, then I could see some info about forward pressure being relevant.

When I owned PX12s the forward pressure needed fixed at least once a month. Don't know how they kept getting bumped back.

TOAST.When I owned PX12s the forward pressure needed fixed at least once a month. Don't know how they kept getting bumped back.

Hmm...that's a little weird.

CDaviesMeHey guys.

So I'm creating these online training manuals for Ski binding adjustments and setting forward pressure.

I have most of the content I need. However, I'd really like to find some diagrams to explain forward pressure. Rather than using photos provided in the manufactures training manuals.

If anyone has any I could use that'd be great thanks.

Chris

**I know the legalities and risk around bindings and training. It will all be mentioned prior to training.

Not trying to bag on your idea, could be doable but here is what I know. You can get forward pressure indicators from the manufacture by doing the following.

1. open a ski shop
2. carry a minimum $1,000,000 liability policy
3. open accounts with binding manufactures and order a minimum of their product.
4. Have a certified binding release testing devise
5. Pay the binding companies to have your employees tested on their knowledge of mounting, forward pressure, and DIN settings.
6. Get the approval from the binding manufacturers to post this information online (currently every binding manufacture has rules against publishing this information on line)

Do all that and you can get specifics on forward pressure indicators on every binding you are indemnified with.

In reality what you are trying to do is cut out the ski shop, not down with that

Sorry but this already exists. I'd post links, but it's for shop employee's to get certs.

traverseNot trying to bag on your idea, could be doable but here is what I know. You can get forward pressure indicators from the manufacture by doing the following.

1. open a ski shop
2. carry a minimum $1,000,000 liability policy
3. open accounts with binding manufactures and order a minimum of their product.
4. Have a certified binding release testing devise
5. Pay the binding companies to have your employees tested on their knowledge of mounting, forward pressure, and DIN settings.
6. Get the approval from the binding manufacturers to post this information online (currently every binding manufacture has rules against publishing this information on line)

Do all that and you can get specifics on forward pressure indicators on every binding you are indemnified with.

In reality what you are trying to do is cut out the ski shop, not down with that

I think your being a bit extreme for the sake of being an asshole. Its just manufacturers spec posted online, nothing to have a panic attack over.

CaseyI think your being a bit extreme for the sake of being an asshole. Its just manufacturers spec posted online, nothing to have a panic attack over.

When we make our living and take peoples safety seriously we do have a right to be concerned. This isn't a simple twist here snap there. Peoples safety is a risk. It has nothing to do with being cheap or trying to scam people, it has to do with integrity and liability.

SVmikeWhen we make our living and take peoples safety seriously we do have a right to be concerned. This isn't a simple twist here snap there. Peoples safety is a risk. It has nothing to do with being cheap or trying to scam people, it has to do with integrity and liability.

This. I couldn't touch bindings until I had done all my certs, and training.

CaseyI think your being a bit extreme for the sake of being an asshole. Its just manufacturers spec posted online, nothing to have a panic attack over.

yeah thats fine and all until some bloke tries to mount his own shit, blows his knee/fucks his leg up, and sues the manufacturer.

I've never really understood how difficult it can be for some ppl to adjust bindings...
It's not rocket science or anything, figure out what DIN you need and know that on each binding there is some way of indicating forward pressure, click boot in and turn the 3 screws....

and what's wrong with providing correct information to someone?
Is there actually some form of liability for that stuff in the US ?

#european

DeebieSkeebiesyeah thats fine and all until some bloke tries to mount his own shit, blows his knee/fucks his leg up, and sues the manufacturer.

Mounting is different. I know how to mount bindings, I've done it hundreds of times, but I still take my shit into a shop because I dont have jigs and its a pain to do it by hand. And honestly half the reason I would check this info is make sure some dumbass at the shop didnt do it wrong.

Wait, I'm sorry but what is the big deal with adjusting your own bindings? Do most people not do that themselves? I feel like I'm missing something. There's always going to be beginners who are trying to learn this stuff and since it is so simple and pretty low risk to do, why shouldn't you put that up?

Maybe it is sketchy for someone to crank their dins and what not... even though it's common knowledge to us it definitely isn't to the average skier and they'd benefit from knowing the right way to do it. (and then maybe it wouldn't be so sketchy)

I'm sorry but I don't think it's cool, in any way shape or form to withhold basic info like this so that skiers have to go to shops where they'll get charged $40 so someone can turn a fucking screwdriver.

MinggWait, I'm sorry but what is the big deal with adjusting your own bindings? Do most people not do that themselves? I feel like I'm missing something. There's always going to be beginners who are trying to learn this stuff and since it is so simple and pretty low risk to do, why shouldn't you put that up?

Maybe it is sketchy for someone to crank their dins and what not... even though it's common knowledge to us it definitely isn't to the average skier and they'd benefit from knowing the right way to do it. (and then maybe it wouldn't be so sketchy)

I'm sorry but I don't think it's cool, in any way shape or form to withhold basic info like this so that skiers have to go to shops where they'll get charged $40 so someone can turn a fucking screwdriver.

The main issue that is being discussed is adjusting your forward pressure, which should be done by a shop directly after mounting the bindings. This should stay in one place and not need adjusting until the bindings are remounted.

Basically it's something that is supposed to be a part of mounting the bindings and not something that needs to be done at home by the average skier. As stated before in the thread, there is already information on how to do this, but is reserved for shop employees that need to know the info to properly mount bindings.

You pay a shop $40 to mount your skis, because (while possible) it is a HUGE bitch to do it at home without the proper jig. The forward pressure adjusting is included in that $40 as it's part of mounting a binding.

Then read the manuals the companies provide on their bindings. It's really not hard to find it.

I would assume that the vast majority of the people on NS understand what forward pressure is, and I would assume most advanced/ expert skiers know how to check for the correct forward pressure. All you have to do is google "how to adjust forward pressure on (insert binding name here)" and you will find dozens of skier generated threads to walk you through the process. For that core/ experienced skier, have at it. Anyone who has ever worked in a ski shop will attest to the fact the overwhelming majority of skiers have no idea what forward pressure is. (no its not DIN)

It would not shock me if at sometime in the future this information will be readily available on the internet. The bigger picture here is that it is one more steep to eliminating the "ski shop". If Line stuck with their 4X4 binding system from 12 years ago you could order a ski/ boot/ binding and put it together in you room in 5 minutes and never have to step foot in a ski shop. The ski binding is one of the main reasons to argue for the local ski shop. Between Evo, backcountry.com, and direct to sales the local ski shop is dying off. Even if you buy everything online you will always need the local shop (for now) for mounting and testing. Or you can take them to Sports Authority, wait they all will be gone by August.

As bindings get better and better every year and the ski industry moving more and more online there will be a time when the manufactures will find a way to eliminate the ski shop. Then some day when you need the local ski shop they won't be there. How many independent board shops were around 10 years ago versus now. SnoCon in Seattle is a perfect example. Just a few years after winning SIA's board shop of the year they are gone, the owner cited online sales as one of the reasons they closed. In snowboarding there is no need to take your board into a shop if you know how to use a screwdriver.

So yeah, I'm against publishing DIY binding adjustments on the internet, however I know at some point it will happen. Its already there if you look hard enough, and at some point it will be the manufactures putting that information out there.

hot.pocketThe main issue that is being discussed is adjusting your forward pressure, which should be done by a shop directly after mounting the bindings. This should stay in one place and not need adjusting until the bindings are remounted.

Basically it's something that is supposed to be a part of mounting the bindings and not something that needs to be done at home by the average skier. As stated before in the thread, there is already information on how to do this, but is reserved for shop employees that need to know the info to properly mount bindings.

You pay a shop $40 to mount your skis, because (while possible) it is a HUGE bitch to do it at home without the proper jig. The forward pressure adjusting is included in that $40 as it's part of mounting a binding.

Ahh makes sense. I thought the OP was including both. I obviously don't know much about forward pressure but I think adjusting your dins is something worth knowing how to do by yourself lol.

Damn I wish mounts only cost $40. Around here it's about $100... It literally costs $40 just to get your dins adjusted which is honestly fucking ridiculous. Anyways, I guess I'm just confused because I always see people on here complaining about pre releasing on butters or whatever and people tell them to check their forward pressure. So I thought that was also something most people knew how to do.

MinggAhh makes sense. I thought the OP was including both. I obviously don't know much about forward pressure but I think adjusting your dins is something worth knowing how to do by yourself lol.

Damn I wish mounts only cost $40. Around here it's about $100... It literally costs $40 just to get your dins adjusted which is honestly fucking ridiculous. Anyways, I guess I'm just confused because I always see people on here complaining about pre releasing on butters or whatever and people tell them to check their forward pressure. So I thought that was also something most people knew how to do.

If your getting charged $100 for mounting you should find another shop

MinggAnyways, I guess I'm just confused because I always see people on here complaining about pre releasing on butters or whatever and people tell them to check their forward pressure. So I thought that was also something most people knew how to do.

So when you mount bindings, the jig gets each piece of the binding DAMN close to properly holding onto your boot and the forward pressure is the fine adjustment.

If your boot is 325mm, the jig gets it as close as it can to 325 +/- a little bit of space. The forward pressure adjustment accounts for that +/- little bit of space. Pre-releasing has to do with dins, or how hard your bindings hold onto your boot.

$100 for a mount and $40 for din adjustments is just absurd...

hot.pocketSo when you mount bindings, the jig gets each piece of the binding DAMN close to properly holding onto your boot and the forward pressure is the fine adjustment.

If your boot is 325mm, the jig gets it as close as it can to 325 +/- a little bit of space. The forward pressure adjustment accounts for that +/- little bit of space. Pre-releasing has to do with dins, or how hard your bindings hold onto your boot.

$100 for a mount and $40 for din adjustments is just absurd...

Ahhh okay that makes sense. My bad haha. Yeah the shop by me is ridiculous. I have no idea what a normal shop charges but that's why I think it's kind of better to learn how to do it yourself. Anyways thanks for the info, I think I understand it a little better now!

a 7 din on my bindings does not equal a 7 din on your bindings which is why its so important to still put your skis on a binding release machine. Mount it yourself, whatever. bring it to a shop and have them put it on the machine to make sure the window reading matches the actual release pressures.

MinggAhhh okay that makes sense. My bad haha. Yeah the shop by me is ridiculous. I have no idea what a normal shop charges but that's why I think it's kind of better to learn how to do it yourself. Anyways thanks for the info, I think I understand it a little better now!

At my shop it's $50 if you haven't vaought anything from is, $25 if you buy one thing, free if you buy two things.
$10 for binding test, $25 for test & adjustment

People take binding adjustment way too seriously. As long as they are mounted correctly and release within spec, which is pretty much the only thing you really need a shop to do on bindings, it is fine to adjust them yourself. If you are competent enough to use google and a flathead and/or Phillips screwdriver and not a complete idiot, you can adjust your fp and dins. It's not that hard, it's just turning, prying, and reading simple indicators

No.QuarterPeople take binding adjustment way too seriously. As long as they are mounted correctly and release within spec, which is pretty much the only thing you really need a shop to do on bindings, it is fine to adjust them yourself. If you are competent enough to use google and a flathead and/or Phillips screwdriver and not a complete idiot, you can adjust your fp and dins. It's not that hard, it's just turning, prying, and reading simple indicators

Shush be quite, don't let them know. This is a tight lipped industry secret. If they find out it's actually pretty easy we won't be able to charge Ming $40 for a din adjust

MinggAhh makes sense. I thought the OP was including both. I obviously don't know much about forward pressure but I think adjusting your dins is something worth knowing how to do by yourself lol.

Damn I wish mounts only cost $40. Around here it's about $100... It literally costs $40 just to get your dins adjusted which is honestly fucking ridiculous. Anyways, I guess I'm just confused because I always see people on here complaining about pre releasing on butters or whatever and people tell them to check their forward pressure. So I thought that was also something most people knew how to do.

...ive never paid more than 35 dollars for my skis to be mounted...

Chubz....ive never paid more than 35 dollars for my skis to be mounted...

Yeah, City Garage is legit but all the shops in the north towns are fucking dumb. I need to go to CIty Garage more often for fucking real.

I never understood all the danger hype around binding adjustment tit takes like 10 minutes to learn everything and to do it safely. at least with fks and axials and a couple marker bindings.