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I'm relatively new to park skiing, and I have finally earned enough money to buy myself some skis. The problem is I don't know what to buy. The NFX look great, but they are asym, and I've heard that sym skis are noticibly better for rotations. Is there any real difference between asym and sym? The AR7's look nice, but they are also asym and pretty ugly. The 15/16 Da'nollies are incredibly tempting, but I can't find anything saying whether or not they are good. I ski mostly piste and waiste width id of no concern to me but over 83 mm is nice. I'm fairly certain the rossignol fks 140s are the bindings for me. The boots are whatever the fitter reccomends. Im 5 foot 3 inches and weigh 115. Im looking mostly for skis that will help me to progress from small to large features and help me learn rails. Anything under $450 is nice. Sorry for the typos. Im typing this on my phone.

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May 17 2016 11:21PM
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get full tilts
May 17 2016 11:53PM
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-frosty-get full tilts


I have heard the classics are the best boots out there and I will definitely them.
May 18 2016 7:24AM
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Symmetrical sidecut has nothing to do with spinning. Symmetrical skis ride switch diffrently than assymetrical skis. A lot people like symmetrical skis for park but also a lot people (me included) like assymetrical skis for park. And look for info of da nollies here at newschoolers, there is lots of thread of those skis.
May 18 2016 1:24PM
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Ive ridden Da Nollies for like 3/4 of last season - 50ish days. I love them. I haven't really noticed any difference with spinning, however they are on the heavier side, but you get used to it. I weigh like 125 ish and didn't have a problem with the weight after like the first 2 days. I love Icelantic, but Moment serves my type of skiing better, which is why I'm getting another pair of Vice for next season. Gonna ride out my Icelantics until they die which hopefully is all next season because Icelantic is durable as hell besides the top sheets (they chip a lot, but donesnt effect anything)
May 18 2016 1:53PM
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I've rode both AR7's and Amplid Provokes (symmetrical) and there isn't really a massive difference.
The AR7's ski completely fine switch and for rotations, just as well as the symmetrical Provokes. The AR7's do carve better then the Provokes as well.

I'd recommend the AR7's, they're durable (thick edges, good base) and reliable, you never have to worry about washing out on landings or not being able to get enough speed.
May 18 2016 8:23PM
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The NFX look good. Has anyone ridden them? The da'nollies are still big for my height, but they seem like good skis for next year.
May 18 2016 10:22PM
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1210020121The NFX look good. Has anyone ridden them? The da'nollies are still big for my height, but they seem like good skis for next year.


I am about the same height and weight as you, and was going back and forth between the ar7s and da'nollies. I ended picking up the 2016 da'nollies. I haven't ridden them yet, but as soon as I got them I could see that they were quality skis. They are super light considering they have a 95 waist, so maybe the other guy that posted had an pair that was a couple years old and heavier. I heard the ar7s are on the heavier side when it comes to park skis and that the nfx's are really stiff, and since you are beginning, you probably would be better off with a softer and lighter ski like the da'nollie.The graphics are sick (not saying you should get them just for the graphics) and I have heard MANY amazing reviews on them. I definitely don't think 160cm is too big for you and if you get them, you will have them for at least a couple of years.
May 18 2016 11:51PM
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Zypher
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1210020121The AR7's look nice, but they are also asym and pretty ugly.

I'm fairly certain the rossignol fks 140s are the bindings for me. Im 5 foot 3 inches and weigh 115.


2 things:

First off, AR7s are hella nice. I had them in 161s as my first real ski (Besides Grom 147s) and they served me well from the east coast to the west coast. They are a bit on the stiffer side but are easily pressable and butters come easy with them. The extra thick construction makes them durable and they should last you a while. As for the designs, some are pretty meh but what you look for in a ski is the preformance, not the topsheet design.

Secondly, you do not need FKS 140s. There is no way in hell that someone 5'3" weighing 115 even has their dins above an eight. Im 5'9" 165 and still ride hard in 10 din bindings if need be. You could look at the FKS 120s or the Pivot 12s which are cheaper and will last a long ass time, but you could still use the Look SPX Fluid 10s or the Solomon Z10s and they would be fine. There is no reason what-so-ever to have 14 din bindings if your normal din settings are half of that.
May 19 2016 12:02AM
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I heard tyrolia attack 13 bindings are very lightweight and durable.
May 19 2016 8:06AM
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dskid1234I heard tyrolia attack 13 bindings are very lightweight and durable.


I've heard that too, but I've heard better things about the pivots and rossignols.
May 19 2016 9:02AM
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Zypher2 things:

First off, AR7s are hella nice. I had them in 161s as my first real ski (Besides Grom 147s) and they served me well from the east coast to the west coast. They are a bit on the stiffer side but are easily pressable and butters come easy with them. The extra thick construction makes them durable and they should last you a while. As for the designs, some are pretty meh but what you look for in a ski is the preformance, not the topsheet design.

Secondly, you do not need FKS 140s. There is no way in hell that someone 5'3" weighing 115 even has their dins above an eight. Im 5'9" 165 and still ride hard in 10 din bindings if need be. You could look at the FKS 120s or the Pivot 12s which are cheaper and will last a long ass time, but you could still use the Look SPX Fluid 10s or the Solomon Z10s and they would be fine. There is no reason what-so-ever to have 14 din bindings if your normal din settings are half of that.


Yeah, I figured that. I was just looking at other sites and just happened to come across many many forums saying how the fks are great. I didn't consider the height to weight ratio. Thanks for the info.
May 19 2016 9:05AM
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The faction Candide's look pretty good graphics wise. Has anyone ridden those and would you recommend them to me?
May 19 2016 10:43AM
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dskid1234I am about the same height and weight as you, and was going back and forth between the ar7s and da'nollies. I ended picking up the 2016 da'nollies. I haven't ridden them yet, but as soon as I got them I could see that they were quality skis. They are super light considering they have a 95 waist, so maybe the other guy that posted had an pair that was a couple years old and heavier. I heard the ar7s are on the heavier side when it comes to park skis and that the nfx's are really stiff, and since you are beginning, you probably would be better off with a softer and lighter ski like the da'nollie.The graphics are sick (not saying you should get them just for the graphics) and I have heard MANY amazing reviews on them. I definitely don't think 160cm is too big for you and if you get them, you will have them for at least a couple of years.


I love the danollies, but I hate the fish design and not down for paying more than $450. Are there any skis with the same specs or close?
May 19 2016 12:56PM
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1210020121I love the danollies, but I hate the fish design and not down for paying more than $450. Are there any skis with the same specs or close?


http://www.coloradoskishop.com/Icelantic-Da-Nollie-Skis-2016-p/danollie1516.htm?gclid=CjwKEAjwyPW5BRCC3JaM7qfW_FwSJACM3jz9IvDjswnMuwT8y3S0et3d0W8WCpwoDkTxNRy7DgXczxoC0V_w_wcB&Click=30416&utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=shoppingengine


I found the da'nollies for $390, but I'm guessing you meant $450 total with bindings. I have heard good things about atomic infamous skis (they are symmetric), but that the durability isn't the best. It probably wouldn't be an issue for you though, since you are just starting out. Personally I would go with the AR7's if I didn't get the da'nollies. You could always just wait over the summer to see if any ski gets cheaper, but I doubt they would at this point in the year.
May 19 2016 1:36PM
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Negromancer
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1210020121I've heard that too, but I've heard better things about the pivots and rossignols.


You are small and lightweight and so you do not need the 14 DIN FKS/Pivots, you could easily go down to the FKS/Pivot 12 and still be fine and save money. The Tyrolia Attacks are excellent bindings and would work perfectly for you. I'd only chose the 14 DIN FKS over the 12 DIN version if you're charging hard or hitting the biggest park features often.

Just take these things into consideration before you buy the Pivots as well, brakes are expensive, you will pay upward of $70 for them compared to the ~$20 - $40 for other brakes. They are not very adjustable bindings either, about +/- 5mm adjustment so if you're still growing and planning on changing boot sizes then picking a more adjustable binding such as the STH2 or Attacks would be a wise idea.
May 19 2016 6:50PM
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DonaldTrumpYou are small and lightweight and so you do not need the 14 DIN FKS/Pivots, you could easily go down to the FKS/Pivot 12 and still be fine and save money. The Tyrolia Attacks are excellent bindings and would work perfectly for you. I'd only chose the 14 DIN FKS over the 12 DIN version if you're charging hard or hitting the biggest park features often.

Just take these things into consideration before you buy the Pivots as well, brakes are expensive, you will pay upward of $70 for them compared to the ~$20 - $40 for other brakes. They are not very adjustable bindings either, about +/- 5mm adjustment so if you're still growing and planning on changing boot sizes then picking a more adjustable binding such as the STH2 or Attacks would be a wise idea.


I just love the way the pivots look but since my feet are going to grow quite a bit, I think the Attacks are going to be what I'm gonna go with.
May 19 2016 9:50PM
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Fks 120s, 2015/16 danollies, but what boots? I'd pay no more than 275. The FT classics sound good, but I'd like to compare some others.
May 20 2016 10:32AM
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Fks 120s, 2015/16 danollies, but what boots? I'd pay no more than 275. The FT classics sound good, but I'd like to compare some others. I have average feet and will fit the narrow boots fine.
May 20 2016 10:33AM
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I too am a newb on the hunt for a new pair of skis. I've done quite a bit of research on all kinds of all-mountain/park skis and I've more or less narrowed down my search to the on3p kartel 98 and the armada alpha x. I've seen great reviews on both of these, maybe check em out, they might be just what your looking for.
May 20 2016 11:39AM
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IceCoastAmatureI too am a newb on the hunt for a new pair of skis. I've done quite a bit of research on all kinds of all-mountain/park skis and I've more or less narrowed down my search to the on3p kartel 98 and the armada alpha x. I've seen great reviews on both of these, maybe check em out, they might be just what your looking for.


Your skis would be great, but they are too tall. I've heard good stuff about the kartels but 98 waist width is too big
May 20 2016 11:55AM
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1210020121Your skis would be great, but they are too tall. I've heard good stuff about the kartels but 98 waist width is too big


98 waist is not that big man. Even for you (im guessing 12 years old?) could shred really any waist width as long as you are aware of the longer turning radius. My dailys are a 108mm waist and my pow boards are 125mm and they just require a slightly longer turn.
May 20 2016 1:17PM
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1210020121Your skis would be great, but they are too tall. I've heard good stuff about the kartels but 98 waist width is too big

If your 5'3, 161cm shouldn't be too long. Also when It comes to twin tip skis, you can get a ski that's longer than the length you would get when buying a non-twin tip ski. Here's a handy ski length chart that might help you http://www.evo.com/guides/how-to-choose-skis-size-chart#Ski%20Length

Zypher98 waist is not that big man. Even for you (im guessing 12 years old?) could shred really any waist width as long as you are aware of the longer turning radius. My dailys are a 108mm waist and my pow boards are 125mm and they just require a slightly longer turn.

I second this
May 20 2016 1:58PM
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IceCoastAmatureIf your 5'3, 161cm shouldn't be too long. Also when It comes to twin tip skis, you can get a ski that's longer than the length you would get when buying a non-twin tip ski. Here's a handy ski length chart that might help you http://www.evo.com/guides/how-to-choose-skis-size-chart#Ski%20Length


I second this


I actually never knew that. That's probably why I sucked so bad last year skiing the Vokl step 138s. I even had marker junior 4.5s.
May 20 2016 6:02PM
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Zypher98 waist is not that big man. Even for you (im guessing 12 years old?) could shred really any waist width as long as you are aware of the longer turning radius. My dailys are a 108mm waist and my pow boards are 125mm and they just require a slightly longer turn.


But I ski southern Wisconsin and piste.
May 20 2016 6:08PM
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1210020121I actually never knew that. That's probably why I sucked so bad last year skiing the Vokl step 138s. I even had marker junior 4.5s.


You had marker jr 4.5s and you were even considering FKS 140s haha. You could easly fit into a 10 din binding and save crazy amounts of money. Then again, I guess your parents are buying your ski setup so go for the Fks 120s or 140s. Also, on BST theres a thread with a pair of 164 Line Chronics that would be great for you. If you mounted them with Tyrolia Attack 13s, you could use them until you hit 8th grade or high school.
May 20 2016 6:11PM
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1210020121I've heard that sym skis are noticibly better for rotations.


:')
May 20 2016 7:13PM
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ZypherYou had marker jr 4.5s and you were even considering FKS 140s haha. You could easly fit into a 10 din binding and save crazy amounts of money. Then again, I guess your parents are buying your ski setup so go for the Fks 120s or 140s. Also, on BST theres a thread with a pair of 164 Line Chronics that would be great for you. If you mounted them with Tyrolia Attack 13s, you could use them until you hit 8th grade or high school.


I did have 4.5s but I broke them twice. The guy who I got them from could tell I had no clue what I was talking about so gave me the crappiest setup ever. The thing about Chronics is I've heard they fall apart in a couple of days. I'm not one to take good care of my skis too. People step on them and roll over my skis all the time so I don't see how I could keep them for over a year.
May 21 2016 9:50AM
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1210020121I did have 4.5s but I broke them twice. The guy who I got them from could tell I had no clue what I was talking about so gave me the crappiest setup ever. The thing about Chronics is I've heard they fall apart in a couple of days. I'm not one to take good care of my skis too. People step on them and roll over my skis all the time so I don't see how I could keep them for over a year.


If you treat your gear like shit it will break no matter what brand it is. Chronics are fine durability wise as long as you detune the edges before hitting rails and give them a wax from time to time.
May 24 2016 4:23PM
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DonaldTrumpIf you treat your gear like shit it will break no matter what brand it is. Chronics are fine durability wise as long as you detune the edges before hitting rails and give them a wax from time to time.

I might just go with thr chronics then.
May 25 2016 7:37AM
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ZypherYou had marker jr 4.5s and you were even considering FKS 140s haha. You could easly fit into a 10 din binding and save crazy amounts of money. Then again, I guess your parents are buying your ski setup so go for the Fks 120s or 140s. Also, on BST theres a thread with a pair of 164 Line Chronics that would be great for you. If you mounted them with Tyrolia Attack 13s, you could use them until you hit 8th grade or high school.


I thought my parents were paying too, but now they aren't paying for anything over 300 so there goes my dreams of them buying skis. Any ideas for skis under 300?
May 29 2016 10:17PM
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Zypher
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1210020121I thought my parents were paying too, but now they aren't paying for anything over 300 so there goes my dreams of them buying skis. Any ideas for skis under 300?


I think surface park blanks are 200. They're stiffer but still good skis. Also line tigersnakes are good skis for a cheap price. For bindings, look at summer deals at your local shop
May 29 2016 10:35PM
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Evo has tons of deals on Pivot 12s and Attack 13s. Pivots are like fucking $162 which is ridiculously cheap and Attacks for $150. You don't need Pivot 14s, especially just for piste stuff imo. I recommend the Surface Blanks which are like $275? and pretty reliable. Find boots that fit you, and get out of the habit of buying good looking stuff, thats not how skiing works.
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