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TheBigApple
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If someone came and snapped professional photos in your local park, would you be willing to pay for a sick photo of you? Like the Roller coaster photos they do in theme parks and try to sell for like $20 or something stupid.

Say $5 for the first high quality digital copy and $2 for each other photo you like after that?

I know many people shred alone or don't have the opportunity to get photos.
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May 10 2016 3:46PM
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eheath
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I think this is a great idea, the biggest problem is a mountain owned by a large corporation has deals with photog companies for taking photos around the mountain, etc. If they found out you were doing such thing they might butt fuck you hard.
May 10 2016 4:05PM
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TheBigApple
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eheathI think this is a great idea, the biggest problem is a mountain owned by a large corporation has deals with photog companies for taking photos around the mountain, etc. If they found out you were doing such thing they might butt fuck you hard.


Thanks, it's been tumbling through my head for a while now, nice to get a professionals opinion. I guess I could sort out some sort of agreement with the resort(s) around here.
May 10 2016 4:10PM
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skierman
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Hahahahahahahaha
May 10 2016 4:14PM
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eheath
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skiermanHahahahahahahaha


Shut up scott, we don't need your senseless bullshit all the fucking time.

When I was 15 and skiing park, i would find photos from events etc and they were usually pretty expensive to buy (like $50 or something) i would just copy them from the website and upload them with a watermark/low res, i would've definitely paid $5 to get that photo high res with no watermark.

Again it's a good idea, just might get complicated.
May 10 2016 4:17PM
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theabortionator
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Honestly yeah. I mean A lot of people ride in groups and can get pics but a good pic is a good pic. Also I can spend $5 on a lot of worse things so might be down to throw a few bucks to help the cause and get a picture.

I can get down with the hustle.

As mentioned don't overly publicize it or the mtn might shut you down. Kind of like people teaching lessons that don't work for the mtn, but if they set up advertising lessons they'd get the boot pretty quit.
May 10 2016 4:28PM
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OregonDead
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Like eheath said the local mountains have contracts with a guy that is just like the Splash Mountain photos. On hill it would be tough to keep a low profile because people will need to find you through your advertising. Only ever bought one of those photos one time when my whole family rode splash mountain with cheesy expressions holding Mentos and we shared the cost between like 6 of us.
Around town at skate parks etc you might have more freedom to work and be able to sell prints at your low price without people taking a cut.
May 10 2016 4:51PM
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skierman
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eheathShut up scott, we don't need your senseless bullshit all the fucking time.



I'm sorry, I'm just camera shy.
May 10 2016 4:54PM
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sgg.23
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I agree with everything said, if you could find a way to take them without the mountain getting pissed at you, I think tons of people would buy them (including me)
May 10 2016 7:24PM
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ascent_studios
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I feel like it would be a great way to support the photographer. Its kind of like in my lacrosse tournaments I used to go to when there would be photographers there taking pictures of everything and then later you would be able to go on their website and purchase the photos of you that you like
May 10 2016 8:14PM
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S.J.W
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Alot of surf photographers do that around where I live. They charge about 5 bucks a photo for a full high res photo. However, beaches are a public good, a mountain is not.
May 10 2016 8:31PM
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270on420out
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I feel like parents who enjoy their kid's skiing would eat this shit up. My begged my one friend to shoot a photo of me. She gave him 20$ even after he said multiple times he'd do it for free.
May 10 2016 10:29PM
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Mingg
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Hmm... I don't know why but I thought this is sort of what photographers already did. I guess it would be different if you went around getting photos of random people than if you go there with a skier specially to get a shot or something? I don't really know how it works though.


For me personally, no I probably would not but I can see why someone else whether they're a dope skier or a family would be into it!
May 10 2016 10:44PM
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AGOF
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If there is a dedicated park lift make friends with lifties and have them hand out your business card. Obviously it's not foolproof but most lifties I've ever met aren't always about the mountain they work for they love the shred life like I'm sure you do. If not that's a bummer and this is a worthless post haha
May 12 2016 10:17PM
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CatBoy
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I would give you a blank check if your pics got my Tinder poppin, ya feel?
May 12 2016 11:09PM
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theabortionator
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A-cAllIf there is a dedicated park lift make friends with lifties and have them hand out your business card. Obviously it's not foolproof but most lifties I've ever met aren't always about the mountain they work for they love the shred life like I'm sure you do. If not that's a bummer and this is a worthless post haha


I feel like thats a good way to get shut down. Also I dont want people handing me shit unless its beer when im getting on the lift
May 13 2016 12:29AM
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Dddsz
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Every once in a while I run into a bro that is taking pictures of everybody for free. I'm too cheap to give more money to the hill.
May 13 2016 7:40AM
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freeskibum82
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S.J.WAlot of surf photographers do that around where I live. They charge about 5 bucks a photo for a full high res photo. However, beaches are a public good, a mountain is not.


yea that would be the only issue. this happens on Deals Gap too where photographers setup on corners and snap photos all day and then people can go on the website and purchase the photos of them taken that day. the Ring in Germany has it too.
May 13 2016 8:31AM
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Lswiss
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I would be so down if someone at my mountain charged 5 bucks a pop for high res photos
May 13 2016 9:13AM
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chacha33
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Dope idea. Couldnt do that at my home mountain due to the fact theres only like 8 people that ski park and we all have dope ass cameras. 10/10 would pay tho
May 13 2016 9:39AM
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TheBigApple
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sgg.23I agree with everything said, if you could find a way to take them without the mountain getting pissed at you, I think tons of people would buy them (including me)


A lot of the mountain near me are on government land so have less control over access. Though the main location is private land so I would have to be sneaky or deal with the mountain properly.

ben_collinsI feel like it would be a great way to support the photographer. Its kind of like in my lacrosse tournaments I used to go to when there would be photographers there taking pictures of everything and then later you would be able to go on their website and purchase the photos of you that you like


Yes exactly, or like road races, tough mudders, etc...

SconnieEvery once in a while I run into a bro that is taking pictures of everybody for free. I'm too cheap to give more money to the hill.


I'm often that bro.

chacha33Dope idea. Couldnt do that at my home mountain due to the fact theres only like 8 people that ski park and we all have dope ass cameras. 10/10 would pay tho


Yeah there are probably 100-300 park rats on any given weekend at my local hill plus another 100-300 gapers that are probably even more willing to fork over the money.

The target market isn't necessarily good riders.
May 17 2016 5:15PM
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TheBigApple
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If business was good, I would focus on one mountain but would do "guest" appearances at other mountains and keep people updated in advance so they could know where to go.

I was also thinking that I could have private photo session days where a crew or family or group could hire me for a 1 or 2 hour session to get shots around the mountain. Mostly catering to touristy families on vacation. Charge $50 - $100 a session and do 4 or 5 a day at a given mountain.
May 17 2016 5:19PM
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skierman
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TheBigAppleIf business was good, I would focus on one mountain but would do "guest" appearances at other mountains and keep people updated in advance so they could know where to go.

I was also thinking that I could have private photo session days where a crew or family or group could hire me for a 1 or 2 hour session to get shots around the mountain. Mostly catering to touristy families on vacation. Charge $50 - $100 a session and do 4 or 5 a day at a given mountain.


Have fun being sued.
May 17 2016 10:52PM
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brend
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Option #1 - Get your friend to film you on your phone
Option #2 - Make friends that have cameras
May 18 2016 1:12AM
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theabortionator
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TheBigAppleIf business was good, I would focus on one mountain but would do "guest" appearances at other mountains and keep people updated in advance so they could know where to go.

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I don't think people are going to go to a different mountain just because you're there, on the off chance that they run into you in the park, you get a picture of them that they like, and they decide to buy it.
May 18 2016 1:26AM
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freestyler540
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Ive hear of people already doing this in major resorts. They will follow you around for a few hrs, make a 2 minute decent edit and charge quite a bit. I would never pay someone for shooting, it should always be for fun.

Remember that 98% of clientele would be rich gapers expecting X-games footage.
May 18 2016 3:48AM
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TheBigApple
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skiermanHave fun being sued.


Sued for what? Taking pictures of people on public land? That is legal where I am from.
May 18 2016 1:53PM
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TheBigApple
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theabortionatorI don't think people are going to go to a different mountain just because you're there, on the off chance that they run into you in the park, you get a picture of them that they like, and they decide to buy it.


That's a good point, though I do think some people would consider it, especially if it meant potential media exposure to tens of thousands of people via instagram etc... (Say I post a photo from each day shooting)
May 18 2016 1:55PM
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TheBigApple
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brendOption #1 - Get your friend to film you on your phone
Option #2 - Make friends that have cameras


Most of my friends would rather send it than film... most of my friends don't have high quality cameras...

Plus this isn't for me, it is just a business idea. Obviously people can take photos on their own, obviously you are not the target market.
May 18 2016 1:57PM
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casual
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There's a guy at the park I ride who does this, and I wouldn't give him a dollar...to me, it's about as lazy a hustle as possible. Many resorts employee fulltime people to do that job as it is, maybe not specifically in the park (but vail resorts do put green jackets in some parks for this very purpose), but all over the mountain. NO resort will give you permission to do this as an independent contractor, guaranteed, so if you decide to pursue this, I'd be very discreet about trying to profit from it.

Most resorts are very hawkish against people doing shit like selling burritos on hill, or even offering private lessons or coaching, so I'd imagine they'd see this in the same way.
May 18 2016 2:59PM
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fortyvalve
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freestyler540Ive hear of people already doing this in major resorts. They will follow you around for a few hrs, make a 2 minute decent edit and charge quite a bit. I would never pay someone for shooting, it should always be for fun.

Remember that 98% of clientele would be rich gapers expecting X-games footage.


You wouldn't pay someone for shooting? So would you not pay an electrician for fixing your wiring? Or a dog walker for walking your dogs? I'm sorry man but your logic is ass backwards. Yeah I would understand if it's some 16 year old with a gopro filming you but I feel like if someone has the balls to go around offering their services on the mountain then they probably can produce some quality work (and they have confidence in their brand which is a plus).
May 18 2016 3:09PM
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fortyvalve
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casualThere's a guy at the park I ride who does this, and I wouldn't give him a dollar...to me, it's about as lazy a hustle as possible.


Ok I'm sorry for the double post but this is sad. The dude that goes out there in the real world and tries to get their own clients and make money is lazy?
May 18 2016 3:11PM
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freestyler540
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swordsandpensYou wouldn't pay someone for shooting? So would you not pay an electrician for fixing your wiring? Or a dog walker for walking your dogs? I'm sorry man but your logic is ass backwards. Yeah I would understand if it's some 16 year old with a gopro filming you but I feel like if someone has the balls to go around offering their services on the mountain then they probably can produce some quality work (and they have confidence in their brand which is a plus).


Here is some piece of wisedom: Capitalism is paying someone else to do something because your too stupid to do it yourself.
I can do my own renovations, grow my own food and create my own edits. I dont need people to survive or work for me. Sure I buy stuff, but at least I can admit Im just too lazy do do it myself.
Living in the mountains teaches you self dependency and pride from your own work.

How can that be backwards logic?
May 18 2016 3:40PM
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TheBigApple
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casualThere's a guy at the park I ride who does this, and I wouldn't give him a dollar...to me, it's about as lazy a hustle as possible.


How is working 8 hours during the day then editing photos for 2-4 hours every night while maintaining a website and dealing with clients a lazy hustle?

What do you do for a living? On a side note I actually have two professional degrees and work 35-60 hours a week.
May 18 2016 4:05PM
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fortyvalve
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freestyler540Here is some piece of wisedom: Capitalism is paying someone else to do something because your too stupid to do it yourself.
I can do my own renovations, grow my own food and create my own edits. I dont need people to survive or work for me. Sure I buy stuff, but at least I can admit Im just too lazy do do it myself.
Living in the mountains teaches you self dependency and pride from your own work.

How can that be backwards logic?


Thanks for that piece of wisdom dude, much appreciated. You said you would "never pay someone for shooting, it should always be for fun". That statement right there is ass backwards. How? There are people out there who, plot twist, don't do it for fun and do it for a living. Those people would laugh in your face if you said you don't value their work enough to pay them.

Awesome. You live in the mountains and can do everything for yourself. I would love to put your self filmed edit up vs an edit that was shot on quality equipment with a good crew and see how it holds up.
May 18 2016 4:18PM
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casual
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TheBigAppleHow is working 8 hours during the day then editing photos for 2-4 hours every night while maintaining a website and dealing with clients a lazy hustle?

What do you do for a living? On a side note I actually have two professional degrees and work 35-60 hours a week.


You're talking about posting up in a park and charging kids 5$ for a photo that will take you "2-4" hours to edit, not exactly slaving away. If you're doing it as a side gig, that's cool to me, still think it'll be difficult to pull off legally/logistically, but I haven't attempted it so what do I know. I was moreso referring to the guy I know who does it.

I work avalanche mitigation/patroller and then as a carpenter for the ski area june-October.
May 18 2016 6:17PM
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Zimmy
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not pics, vids dammit.

And at HC mountain people are gonna want chase-cam skiers to record their radical carves. Park is over. Hell, even CT could've used chase cam in OOTD.
May 18 2016 7:44PM
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theabortionator
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casualThere's a guy at the park I ride who does this, and I wouldn't give him a dollar...to me, it's about as lazy a hustle as possible. Many resorts employee fulltime people to do that job as it is, maybe not specifically in the park (but vail resorts do put green jackets in some parks for this very purpose), but all over the mountain. NO resort will give you permission to do this as an independent contractor, guaranteed, so if you decide to pursue this, I'd be very discreet about trying to profit from it.

Most resorts are very hawkish against people doing shit like selling burritos on hill, or even offering private lessons or coaching, so I'd imagine they'd see this in the same way.




Honestly when I worked for vail we would look at our epic mix photos to see how bad they were.

That said sometimes they have decent photographers
May 19 2016 12:37AM
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JAHn
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swordsandpensThanks for that piece of wisdom dude, much appreciated. You said you would "never pay someone for shooting, it should always be for fun". That statement right there is ass backwards. How? There are people out there who, plot twist, don't do it for fun and do it for a living. Those people would laugh in your face if you said you don't value their work enough to pay them.

Awesome. You live in the mountains and can do everything for yourself. I would love to put your self filmed edit up vs an edit that was shot on quality equipment with a good crew and see how it holds up.


He said that he himself would never pay for it and gave his reasons why. Exactly what the thread was asking...
May 19 2016 1:07AM
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theabortionator
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TheBigAppleThat's a good point, though I do think some people would consider it, especially if it meant potential media exposure to tens of thousands of people via instagram etc... (Say I post a photo from each day shooting)


You have10s of thousands of followers?
May 19 2016 10:33AM
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TheBigApple
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theabortionatorYou have10s of thousands of followers?


Correct
May 19 2016 1:17PM
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