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Transgender Children? I'm not sure about this

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qazwsxedc34
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I don't know whether to be happy or disgusted by this.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/827382/-------A-year-in-the-life-of-Britain--------s-youngest-transgender-children----------BBC-News

I'm not particularly against transgenderism, I am just baffled at doing it to children, when they have yet to understand themselves and their bodies. And what is more troublesome is that corporate news seems to be broadcasting similar stories more frequently, there was even a portion about how pedophiles who are sexually attracted to children have rights too and the child should decide if he wants to have a sexual relationship with that person. I really don't understand our world sometime.
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May 4 2016 7:07PM
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qazwsxedc34
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Mods don't delete this. Newschoolers always has respectful debates.
May 4 2016 7:09PM
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ascent_studios
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Idk about this. I guess when they reach there teens they can identify but when they are super young I'm not sure. The part about the pedophiles was really really fucked up though. The children might not realize it now but that would fuck up their entire life if they had sex at the age of 9 with a fucking pedophile
May 4 2016 7:40PM
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S.J.W
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I think to really understand transgender children one must look at David Reimer. Reimer was biologically born male but due to a botched circumcision was raised female. Girls clothing, everything. Now some people believe gender is a social construct and along with the labelling theory you get this idea that girls or boys that don't fit into the traditional mold of girls like Barbie, boys like trucks think they're transgender. In my opinion, that's false. But if we were to take that approach and apply to it to Reimer then theory would have us believe he would have been female.

But in my opinion, and from the medical journals I've read, it's more to do with the construct of the brain. Reimer never felt like a girl, despite his whole life being told he was a girl. It was around when he was 9 that he felt like he wasn't a girl. And transitioned into male at age 15. He later killed himself.

So with regard to other transgender people. they know from a very young age that something isn't right. It's a very foreign concept to grasp for cis people, but hopefully this video will clear some gray areas up.

But apart from that, who gives a fuck if someone is transgender. People are way too concerned with other peoples bodies these days. Who gives a fuck if it's a mental disorder, or whatever. Just let people wear what they want and feel comfortable within their own body. If it doesn't affect you, don't worry about it.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/793321/What-Does-The-Transgender-Brain-Look-Like-
May 4 2016 7:43PM
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GrapeHunter
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fked up if tru
May 4 2016 7:47PM
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NewEscuelers
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Call me old-fashioned but I'm a firm believer in the fact that you are the gender that matches your genitalia. If you change that via surgery, great.

But I think they should really put an age minimum to these types of procedures.
May 4 2016 8:30PM
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270on420out
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Being Transgendered is a real thing. They produce chemicals that don't correspond with their body. Actual trans people do not consider "transgender" to be a gender, and consider it offensive that they would be classified as "other," rather than male or female. And being "genderfluid" is bullshit (for the most part).


But there seriously needs to be an age requirement for these kinds of surgeries.
May 4 2016 8:49PM
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McNoche
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S.J.WI think to really understand transgender children one must look at David Reimer. Reimer was biologically born male but due to a botched circumcision was raised female. Girls clothing, everything. Now some people believe gender is a social construct and along with the labelling theory you get this idea that girls or boys that don't fit into the traditional mold of girls like Barbie, boys like trucks think they're transgender. In my opinion, that's false. But if we were to take that approach and apply to it to Reimer then theory would have us believe he would have been female.

But in my opinion, and from the medical journals I've read, it's more to do with the construct of the brain. Reimer never felt like a girl, despite his whole life being told he was a girl. It was around when he was 9 that he felt like he wasn't a girl. And transitioned into male at age 15. He later killed himself.

So with regard to other transgender people. they know from a very young age that something isn't right. It's a very foreign concept to grasp for cis people, but hopefully this video will clear some gray areas up.

But apart from that, who gives a fuck if someone is transgender. People are way too concerned with other peoples bodies these days. Who gives a fuck if it's a mental disorder, or whatever. Just let people wear what they want and feel comfortable within their own body. If it doesn't affect you, don't worry about it.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/793321/What-Does-The-Transgender-Brain-Look-Like-

You are such a douche bag
May 4 2016 9:01PM
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Rennis_Deynolds
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S.J.WI think to really understand transgender children one must look at David Reimer. Reimer was biologically born male but due to a botched circumcision was raised female. Girls clothing, everything. Now some people believe gender is a social construct and along with the labelling theory you get this idea that girls or boys that don't fit into the traditional mold of girls like Barbie, boys like trucks think they're transgender. In my opinion, that's false. But if we were to take that approach and apply to it to Reimer then theory would have us believe he would have been female.

But in my opinion, and from the medical journals I've read, it's more to do with the construct of the brain. Reimer never felt like a girl, despite his whole life being told he was a girl. It was around when he was 9 that he felt like he wasn't a girl. And transitioned into male at age 15. He later killed himself.

So with regard to other transgender people. they know from a very young age that something isn't right. It's a very foreign concept to grasp for cis people, but hopefully this video will clear some gray areas up.

But apart from that, who gives a fuck if someone is transgender. People are way too concerned with other peoples bodies these days. Who gives a fuck if it's a mental disorder, or whatever. Just let people wear what they want and feel comfortable within their own body. If it doesn't affect you, don't worry about it.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/793321/What-Does-The-Transgender-Brain-Look-Like-


do you have nothing better to do then make a fukin essay on transgender kids?
May 4 2016 9:32PM
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Peter.
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core gender identity is determined by the age of 3 in a normally developing child
May 4 2016 9:35PM
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FastSpeed
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I know I am going to get down voted like crazy because this is a very unpopular opinion. I am old school and am against transgenders. I think that kids are getting raised like pussies for lack of a better word. Kids need "safe places" and get offended way too easily. There might be some actual cases where wrong hormones are released or something but I feel like in most cases these kids overreacting, again, for lack of a better word. These kids "feel different" or whatever their excuse is but hey puberty and growing up in general is wierd and instead of sucking it up and getting through it they change genders. This is all my uneducated opinion.
May 4 2016 10:05PM
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S.J.W
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Dennis_Reynoldsdo you have nothing better to do then make a fukin essay on transgender kids?


If that's what you consider an essay then you must be the dumbest cunt on this website. That took me like a minute to write. Maybe when mummy teaches you how to touch type you can to type like a big boy.
May 4 2016 10:33PM
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Mingg
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I don't care what you identify as. It doesn't effect me in the slightest. Just don't throw a fucking hissy fit when you're asked to check off Male or Female when opening a bank account like this person: https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/this-teenager-cant-get-a-bank-account-because-they-dont-iden?utm_term=.iq0LLoVVLk#.ngdwwL88wq

However, I find it very intriguing that these people are saying they were "born this way" or whatever their slogans are. And they try SO hard to convince people that it's who they are with really nothing but their word against someone else's. I'd be interested to see if there's been any kind of research about it. It's possible to be born with an XY genotype(male) but physically be a female(XX). I believe it's called AIS or IAS or something like that. I don't know if proving that scientifically would change much of how people view it, but I'd be really interested in seeing what came out of it.

As for the kids. I feel like that's kind of fucked. I think environment plays a huge role in these cases. If you're a girl with 5 brothers, you're probably going to do a lot of "boy things." And take on similar roles as a child and be influenced and if thats enforced a lot, maybe you think you're a boy too. But you're a fucking child, you don't really know... Or the same can be said about a boy with a lot of sisters. For fucks sake children can't even make up their mind if they want a cheese burger or hot dog 90% of the time. And being on hormones is like a hugeeeee step and hugee decision that kids really aren't able to make.

I don't know that's just how I see it but I'd be interested in hearing others opinions.
May 4 2016 10:36PM
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arnie_grape
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pre-pubescent kids are fucking stupid and can't be trusted.

how are you going to believe a person that says "I wanna be the opposite sex" when that person also suggested brownies for breakfast and is hell bent on flying to pluto in a lawn chair covered in cardboard
May 4 2016 10:40PM
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californiagrown
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I don't see the issue. I didn't read the article though.

Buying your kid blue clothes because he is a boy is exerting just as much control over their gender as buying your boy pink clothes instead.

Let your kids figure it out, fuck the gender they want, and wear the (not obscene) clothes they want.

The kids happiness is far more important than their parents happiness. Too many parents get that wrong.
May 4 2016 10:47PM
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addie.
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i didn't even know the difference between the boys and girls until i went to school when i was five. i would ride quads with my dad in the mud and come home and play barbies. kids don't give a fuck, and they don't need to know the difference between genders until necessary. im a straight girl who was born a girl, and thats good. a five year old kid should be able to dress however the fuck they want, but not like change their given name or anything like that.

LET THE KIDS BE FREE
May 4 2016 11:24PM
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qazwsxedc34
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It's not that I'm against transgender people.They can happily be transgender for all I care, it's more so the dramatization and aggrandizing of transgenderism that has gone so far as to question whether children as young as five years of age can adopt a gender despite their easily influenced brains.

Like the great and powerful Caitlyn Jenner once said, "I'm the new normal." No, no you're not.
May 5 2016 1:47AM
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qazwsxedc34
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36ChambersOfWuI know I am going to get down voted like crazy because this is a very unpopular opinion. I am old school and am against transgenders. I think that kids are getting raised like pussies for lack of a better word. Kids need "safe places" and get offended way too easily. There might be some actual cases where wrong hormones are released or something but I feel like in most cases these kids overreacting, again, for lack of a better word. These kids "feel different" or whatever their excuse is but hey puberty and growing up in general is wierd and instead of sucking it up and getting through it they change genders. This is all my uneducated opinion.


All dat phytoestrogens and BHT. Making men look like little girls and young girls look like 30.
May 5 2016 1:52AM
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roddy116
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yeah lol no. My sister used to go to a school where high school lgbt club would go and talk about being gay and trans and whatever hot topic sexuality word of the month was to kindergartners and preschoolers of the school, it was wierd and it creeped the kids out. its not needed and honestly pressing anything of any nature like that into kids 4 and 5 year olds mind is a whole new level of fucked.
May 5 2016 2:14AM
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Mingg
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roddy116yeah lol no. My sister used to go to a school where high school lgbt club would go and talk about being gay and trans and whatever hot topic sexuality word of the month was to kindergartners and preschoolers of the school, it was wierd and it creeped the kids out. its not needed and honestly pressing anything of any nature like that into kids 4 and 5 year olds mind is a whole new level of fucked.


Yo kindergarteners still think the opposite sex has cooties like wtf? Like they don't understand anything of a sexual nature. That's messed up.
May 5 2016 2:22AM
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chacha33
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I sexually identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a young child (gender neutral) I dreamed of soaring over the oil fields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that being an attack helicopter is impossible and that Im fucking retarded, but I dont care. I'm beautiful. I started a gofundme page to help myself pay for plastic surgery. I'm having the surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons, and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles where my nipples are. From now on I want you guys to call me Apache. Anyone who doesnt call me Apache and give me money is a bigot.
Thanks,
Apache
May 5 2016 9:00AM
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Slush
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36ChambersOfWuI know I am going to get down voted like crazy because this is a very unpopular opinion. I am old school and am against transgenders. I think that kids are getting raised like pussies for lack of a better word. Kids need "safe places" and get offended way too easily. There might be some actual cases where wrong hormones are released or something but I feel like in most cases these kids overreacting, again, for lack of a better word. These kids "feel different" or whatever their excuse is but hey puberty and growing up in general is wierd and instead of sucking it up and getting through it they change genders. This is all my uneducated opinion.


I agree with what you say
May 5 2016 9:04AM
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Slush
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Sorry for dub post, but I don't see the need for transgender. Like, if you feel more feminine, be a more feminine dude, don't straight up change who you are. Gender is completely determined by us, humans, and society, as well as culture. If you fit better in one portion, be your assigned gender but be into what your into. Be gay or lesbian or whatever, but not change your sex. I just see no need.

Feel free to correct me, as this is my inexperienced and semi uneducated opinion
May 5 2016 9:08AM
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FastSpeed
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SlushSorry for dub post, but I don't see the need for transgender. Like, if you feel more feminine, be a more feminine dude, don't straight up change who you are. Gender is completely determined by us, humans, and society, as well as culture. If you fit better in one portion, be your assigned gender but be into what your into. Be gay or lesbian or whatever, but not change your sex. I just see no need.

Feel free to correct me, as this is my inexperienced and semi uneducated opinion


Agreed
May 5 2016 10:42AM
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ImNotARacist
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It's there decision. Why the fuck do you care? It doesn't effect you.
Parents force existing gender roles already. These days, Kids don't feel right, they switch. Parents see happiness and they are ok with it. If putting a dress on a lil boy is the difference between a depressed life and a happy life the parent shouldn't hesitate.
May 5 2016 10:54AM
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DJtearegas
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David Reimer actually proved that gender isn't a social construct.

The DSM classified transgenderism as "gender identity disorder" until they were pressured by the PC police to change it to "gender dysphoria".

Its a fetish, and a mental illness when they want to actually make changes.

You shouldn't be allowed to reassign your gender until you're 18. Even then, I doubt the ability of many 18 year olds to know who they are or what they really want. This shows in the data, the suicide rate for post-op trannies is off the fucking charts.
May 5 2016 11:09AM
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Slush
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REGRESSIVELEFTWhy the fuck do you care? It doesn't effect you.


Hey remember world war 2?
May 5 2016 11:34AM
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ImNotARacist
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DJtearegasDavid Reimer actually proved that gender isn't a social construct.


So, you clearly don't know anything about cultural anthropology....
May 5 2016 12:09PM
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ImNotARacist
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SlushHey remember world war 2?


Sorry but you simply do not know what you are talking about. Get learnt, you sound like an idiot.
May 5 2016 12:11PM
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snowdon
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If my child came to me with this as a teenager or adult I'd support it 100%. Hormones, doctors, therapists, I'd move mountains to make it all happen for them if that's what it takes. Fine. A really young child would be a much harder decision, because I'd be afraid that in a few years the kid would change their mind and hate me for allowing them to transition. But I'd seriously, seriously consider it and do tons of research and try to figure out every option, because if the kid really is gonna live out life trans then transitioning early could make it easier on them. I don't think I agree that kids are too young to understand gender.

Basically it would come down to what the kid is actually like (do they go through lots of different phases? Or is this something they've been adamant and consistent about since they learned to talk?). But being transgender is a rough road so I'd want to make sure that no matter what, my kid knows their mom loves them, I'm on their side, and all I want is for them to be happy in life. Especially since isn't the suicide rate for trans teens something like 50%?
May 5 2016 1:38PM
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Rennis_Deynolds
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Have fun being bullied for the rest of your life,
stupid kids. It would honestly just be easier to live as a normal person even though you feel transgender. The amount of shit you have to go through as well as being hated by a large amount of people isnt worth a pair of fake tities and a cut off penis.
May 5 2016 1:43PM
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Stadtski
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I recognize that I don't really fully understand transgender people to begin with, but I definitely feel that having kids switch is absurd. Kids change opinions so quickly. There is no way to tell if thats a phase or not
May 5 2016 1:50PM
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Randy_Quench
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GORILLAWALLACEpre-pubescent kids are fucking stupid and can't be trusted.

how are you going to believe a person that says "I wanna be the opposite sex" when that person also suggested brownies for breakfast and is hell bent on flying to pluto in a lawn chair covered in cardboard


hit the nail on the head.
May 5 2016 1:50PM
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Slush
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REGRESSIVELEFTSorry but you simply do not know what you are talking about. Get learnt, you sound like an idiot.


Lol your the one who sounds like an idiot. Dont just make dick claims with nothing to back it up, tell me why I'm an idiot if you really feel that way
May 5 2016 2:06PM
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ImNotARacist
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SlushLol your the one who sounds like an idiot. Dont just make dick claims with nothing to back it up, tell me why I'm an idiot if you really feel that way


Education isn't free
May 5 2016 3:10PM
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Mingg
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snowdonEspecially since isn't the suicide rate for trans teens something like 50%?


Suicide rates after transitioning/surgery are at about 40%.
May 5 2016 3:17PM
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californiagrown
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SlushLol your the one who sounds like an idiot. Dont just make dick claims with nothing to back it up, tell me why I'm an idiot if you really feel that way


Specifically, what was your world war II comment in reference to?
May 5 2016 3:45PM
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roddy116
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MinggYo kindergarteners still think the opposite sex has cooties like wtf? Like they don't understand anything of a sexual nature. That's messed up.


Yeah i know, my dad is on the board at that school, but i talked to him and convinced my dad to move her to a more conservative catholic school haha. not because i think its better but the teachers there are willing to step up on her stubborn behavior.
May 5 2016 4:12PM
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roddy116
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snowdonIf my child came to me with this as a teenager or adult I'd support it 100%. Hormones, doctors, therapists, I'd move mountains to make it all happen for them if that's what it takes. Fine. A really young child would be a much harder decision, because I'd be afraid that in a few years the kid would change their mind and hate me for allowing them to transition. But I'd seriously, seriously consider it and do tons of research and try to figure out every option, because if the kid really is gonna live out life trans then transitioning early could make it easier on them. I don't think I agree that kids are too young to understand gender.

Basically it would come down to what the kid is actually like (do they go through lots of different phases? Or is this something they've been adamant and consistent about since they learned to talk?). But being transgender is a rough road so I'd want to make sure that no matter what, my kid knows their mom loves them, I'm on their side, and all I want is for them to be happy in life. Especially since isn't the suicide rate for trans teens something like 50%?


at the end of the day though, he/ she/ it is a teenager and doesnt know what it wants. There young and really stupid, and will not have a grasp on identity, probably ever, no tumblr post can change that.
May 5 2016 4:13PM
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XtRemE11
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How does this even become an issue? people are struggling to not starve to death and we're concerned about not hurting peoples feelings because they wanna play dress up.

men have dicks, women have vaginas, you are what you're born with, stop trying to make it some complex issue. gender isnt identified by your feelings. people are extremely flawed, especially mentally, you think and convince yourself of something enough and you start to believe it. but your subconscious beliefs that are influenced by society, mental issues, and emotions dont change your genetic makeup.
go ahead and think you're the opposite sex, but you're still not, and people shouldnt be effected by your flawed thinking. I'm fine with tranny's doing their thing, go ahead and play pretend, i dont care. but i'm not going to treat you like you're something you arent, and we definitely shouldnt be letting that influence law's and regulations.

i'd like to also know where we draw the line, if a 40 year old man identifies as a 6 year old girl, wouldnt it be offensive to make him pay taxes? can you not identify past a certain age gap? can I identify as a grandma and get cheap movie tickets? Maybe i wanna be a dog, can i go shit in peoples yards?
May 5 2016 4:44PM
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ImNotARacist
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XtRemE11How does this even become an issue? people are struggling to not starve to death and we're concerned about not hurting peoples feelings because they wanna play dress up.

men have dicks, women have vaginas, you are what you're born with, stop trying to make it some complex issue. gender isnt identified by your feelings. people are extremely flawed, especially mentally, you think and convince yourself of something enough and you start to believe it. but your subconscious beliefs that are influenced by society, mental issues, and emotions dont change your genetic makeup.
go ahead and think you're the opposite sex, but you're still not, and people shouldnt be effected by your flawed thinking. I'm fine with tranny's doing their thing, go ahead and play pretend, i dont care. but i'm not going to treat you like you're something you arent, and we definitely shouldnt be letting that influence law's and regulations.

i'd like to also know where we draw the line, if a 40 year old man identifies as a 6 year old girl, wouldnt it be offensive to make him pay taxes? can you not identify past a certain age gap? can I identify as a grandma and get cheap movie tickets? Maybe i wanna be a dog, can i go shit in peoples yards?

Wow...


Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
May 5 2016 4:47PM
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JayRich
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GORILLAWALLACEpre-pubescent kids are fucking stupid and can't be trusted.

how are you going to believe a person that says "I wanna be the opposite sex" when that person also suggested brownies for breakfast and is hell bent on flying to pluto in a lawn chair covered in cardboard


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May 5 2016 4:48PM
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XtRemE11
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REGRESSIVELEFTWow...


Ignorance is bliss I suppose.


shit man, convinced me.
May 5 2016 4:50PM
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californiagrown
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XtRemE11How does this even become an issue? people are struggling to not starve to death and we're concerned about not hurting peoples feelings because they wanna play dress up.

men have dicks, women have vaginas, you are what you're born with, stop trying to make it some complex issue. gender isnt identified by your feelings. people are extremely flawed, especially mentally, you think and convince yourself of something enough and you start to believe it. but your subconscious beliefs that are influenced by society, mental issues, and emotions dont change your genetic makeup.
go ahead and think you're the opposite sex, but you're still not, and people shouldnt be effected by your flawed thinking. I'm fine with tranny's doing their thing, go ahead and play pretend, i dont care. but i'm not going to treat you like you're something you arent, and we definitely shouldnt be letting that influence law's and regulations.

i'd like to also know where we draw the line, if a 40 year old man identifies as a 6 year old girl, wouldnt it be offensive to make him pay taxes? can you not identify past a certain age gap? can I identify as a grandma and get cheap movie tickets? Maybe i wanna be a dog, can i go shit in peoples yards?


Why do you care what someone does to themselves to make themselves happy. How does me chopping of my dick and changing my name to JoAnn affect you in the slightest?

You're fucking pea brained if you are honestly taking this shit to the extremes you are. Like ALL FUCKING RIGHTS you are allowed to exercise your pursuit of happiness up until that pursuit infringes upon another's rights.

How does me chopping my dick off and changing my name to Sally infringe upon your rights?
May 5 2016 5:00PM
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S.J.W
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SlushLol your the one who sounds like an idiot. Dont just make dick claims with nothing to back it up, tell me why I'm an idiot if you really feel that way


Refer to my post up above about David Reimer and the transgender brain video linked below. There's a reason why transgender kids don't just feel more feminine, they literally feel as they're in the wrong body. France has transgender people and yet doesn't use he or she, they use masculine and feminine as well as together, le,la,les.
May 5 2016 5:24PM
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Slush
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californiagrownSpecifically, what was your world war II comment in reference to?


I quoted "let them do what they want, if it doesn't hurt you then why should you care" or whatver he said and I referenced WWII where we applied the same mindset, which wasn't really the correct way of going about things since it lead to lots and lots of dead people.

mainly, my point was:
Yea I agree you should be able to do whatever you want to your body, nobody should tell you otherwise. However that doesn't exclude you from judgement from others. Basically the answer to "why should you care?" Is because I'm a freaking human being and I, like others, will judge people. I can't help that, and for good reason. Certain social pressures arguably help shape people into better human beings. Think, if we stopped caring about how unnatractive fat people are and stopped shaming, they'd continue to get fat, and that isn't really a good thing. This can almost be compared to the peer pressure your friends put you through to try new tricks skiing. For example, Without that pressure, you wouldn't have sent the backie. Because someone else cared, they told you to throw a backflip, and got your friends to tell you as well. If we stop caring, people stop benefitting from eachother

Idk I'm not the best at conveying points so if you are still confused I'm sorry. Also yea just saying ww2 was pretty ambiguous my b
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Slush
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S.J.WRefer to my post up above about David Reimer and the transgender brain video linked below. There's a reason why transgender kids don't just feel more feminine, they literally feel as they're in the wrong body. France has transgender people and yet doesn't use he or she, they use masculine and feminine as well as together, le,la,les.


We learned about David in psychology. We had a discussion, and a good point brought up was that his parents were trying too hard to get him to be a girl. That's why he hated it. Some people's mindsets just aren't right for being a "man" or "woman", because of other men and women and how they think and act. Some ideas, activities, and lifestyles are deemed "man" or "woman", and therefore someone feeling misplaced doesn't feel suited to their gender. However, they fail to realize that a stronger connection to different things doesn't make them a different sex, just more masc/fem.

Also, David didnt kill himself over the transgender thing, he did it because his family fell apart. The dad left, then the other brother did drugs ( and I believe OD'd ), and it was all downhill from there.
May 5 2016 5:53PM
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californiagrown
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SlushI quoted "let them do what they want, if it doesn't hurt you then why should you care" or whatver he said and I referenced WWII where we applied the same mindset, which wasn't really the correct way of going about things since it lead to lots and lots of dead people.

mainly, my point was:
Yea I agree you should be able to do whatever you want to your body, nobody should tell you otherwise. However that doesn't exclude you from judgement from others. Basically the answer to "why should you care?" Is because I'm a freaking human being and I, like others, will judge people. I can't help that, and for good reason. Certain social pressures arguably help shape people into better human beings. Think, if we stopped caring about how unnatractive fat people are and stopped shaming, they'd continue to get fat, and that isn't really a good thing. This can almost be compared to the peer pressure your friends put you through to try new tricks skiing. For example, Without that pressure, you wouldn't have sent the backie. Because someone else cared, they told you to throw a backflip, and got your friends to tell you as well. If we stop caring, people stop benefitting from eachother

Idk I'm not the best at conveying points so if you are still confused I'm sorry. Also yea just saying ww2 was pretty ambiguous my b


So you are implying that allowing citizens to pursue the gender of their choice, is similar to allowing fascist dictators and regimes to systematically exterminate millions of other humans? Also, in your analogy, transgender folks are the nazi Germany and imperial Japan, while you are the allied powers... You don't think that's even a little offensive.

My analogy is similar, but not horrendously, disgustingly biggoted and offensive to literally anyone with a fucking moral compass like your own poorly thought out one-

"If it doesn't affect you why do you care"... Kinda like dudes wearing skinny jeans. I'm not a fan, but who am I to say what they feel good wearing?
May 5 2016 6:16PM
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Slush
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californiagrownSo you are implying that allowing citizens to pursue the gender of their choice, is similar to allowing fascist dictators and regimes to systematically exterminate millions of other humans?


No, that is not what I meant. I brought up the WW2 thing as an example of why I don't think that mindset is a good idea. I'm not trying to offend trans people like that, I'm try to show as to why "not Giving a shit" can be unproductive as society. As for the skinny jeans thing, it's all in moderation. I'm not saying if someone is wearing a hoodie you don't like bash them for it, just dislike it and let them know your opinion if they ask for it. Some people will like the hoodie, some won't. It's a balance. Some will find things intolerable to a certain degree and some won't. The balance of these two is what makes thing "socially acceptable"
May 5 2016 7:00PM
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californiagrown
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SlushNo, that is not what I meant. I brought up the WW2 thing as an example of why I don't think that mindset is a good idea. I'm not trying to offend trans people like that, I'm try to show as to why "not Giving a shit" can be unproductive as society. As for the skinny jeans thing, it's all in moderation. I'm not saying if someone is wearing a hoodie you don't like bash them for it, just dislike it and let them know your opinion if they ask for it. Some people will like the hoodie, some won't. It's a balance. Some will find things intolerable to a certain degree and some won't. The balance of these two is what makes thing "socially acceptable"


The last time one man decided what was socially acceptable a few million Jews died...
May 5 2016 7:20PM
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S.J.W
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SlushWe learned about David in psychology. We had a discussion, and a good point brought up was that his parents were trying too hard to get him to be a girl. That's why he hated it. Some people's mindsets just aren't right for being a "man" or "woman", because of other men and women and how they think and act. Some ideas, activities, and lifestyles are deemed "man" or "woman", and therefore someone feeling misplaced doesn't feel suited to their gender. However, they fail to realize that a stronger connection to different things doesn't make them a different sex, just more masc/fem.

Also, David didnt kill himself over the transgender thing, he did it because his family fell apart. The dad left, then the other brother did drugs ( and I believe OD'd ), and it was all downhill from there.


I'm just going to quote you "don't make dick claims without backing it up". Do you have journals to back up your argument? I've presented my argument about the transgender brain with that video. Now unless you have journals or articles that present some sort of coherent argument I'm done with this conversation.
May 5 2016 8:01PM
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