Fact vs Science

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DirtYStylEIf a fact can't be from science, where did facts come from?

Logic and reason

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THEDIRTYBUBBLELogic and reason

Which is applied to an experience. Thus, a fact. With science you use observations...

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Theories are the product of a collection of facts. They're not the same thing.

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DirtYStylEIt is important to note that theory cannot transform into fact, no matter how much supporting evidence piles up. The basis of science is that it is open ended, and always open to advances.

If a fact can't be from science, where did facts come from?

Fact - a thing that is indisputably the case. My opinion is that SOME science can be proved indisputably.

Am I missing something?

Facts are not from science, but support science. Just like air supports an airplane, but is not part of the substance of the plane.

Facts are derived/created from truth. The real question then is, "where does truth come from". In the simplest form, truth, is translation of the physical world into our non-tangible cognitive bubble we call consciousness. So, the physical universe is reflected through the human construct of truth, which we then further into facts.

Truth is therefore the universe.

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Jesus this hurt my brain sober

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You're missing the whole deal about the null hypothesis and how science works, I don't try to prove things, I try hard to disprove things. In fact I never try to prove things in either direction, only lend extremely strong support on a high confidence interval.

For instance - if I think gravity makes objects fall to earth, then the null hypothesis is that gravity does not make things fall towards earth and the alternative hypothesis is that gravity does make things fall towards the earth.

Even though I think gravity makes things fall to earth, my experiments will be designed to show that gravity does not cause things to fall to the earth. And when I inevitably fail no matter how hard I try, I'll be unable to support the null hypothesis. And then everyone else on the planet can try my experiments, and make their own, and when everyone finds out that no matter how hard they try, things keeping falling to the ground, then we accept that alternate hypothesis because no one could prove the null as true.

Realistically I'd actually say that I was unable to support the null hypothesis, potentially because 1. the null hypothesis is false and the alternate is true or 2. my method of detection/experimentation is unable to lend support to the null hypothesis.

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a_pla5tic_bagI try hard to disprove things.

So what I mean to say is, everyone tries to disprove something and when no one can, it can be accepted as scientific fact.

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Isn't there some famous postulate that there are only two things we can absolutely prove? Pretty sure it's that you yourself exist and mathematical proofs? Wouldn't these be the only absolute facts then?

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the revenant?

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Fact is What, When, Where.

Science is Why and How.

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for conservatives fact and opinion are the same thing and science doesn't exist because gawd

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BiggestAirDaveSomebody get your umbrellas because here comes the

That's not a real picture. I think its fake.

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sagerobI think its fake.

Is that a fact?

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iFlipIs that a fact?

That's an opinion.

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Mr.noodleThat's an opinion.

Is that your opinion, or is that a fact?

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iFlipIs that a fact?

It's science.

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sagerobIt's science.

In your opinion is it science, or is it a fact that it is science?

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How does bibles guy's explain black holes??

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so its not a fact that i am vape lord but science

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DirtYStylEIt is important to note that theory cannot transform into fact, no matter how much supporting evidence piles up. The basis of science is that it is open ended, and always open to advances.

If a fact can't be from science, where did facts come from?

Fact - a thing that is indisputably the case. My opinion is that SOME science can be proved indisputably.

Am I missing something?

Maybe i'm not getting what you're trying to say, but with your logic then there are no facts. Anything can be broken down to observations which spark theories, which ultimately can't be facts by the definition you have given.

While science is open ended and open to advances, advancements can't be made without taking things as truths and facts. Light is both a particle and a wave, and we take this a given to make advancements in the field of optics (optic fiber for example). Nobody's ever seen light as a particle or as a wave, but we have a lot of evidence for both and we have to take it as truth. The same way you get in your car and start driving, you observe the car is moving and therefore assume there is gas in the engine, even though you didn't check inside the tank before. And while you can argue there are other ways a car could move such as being pushed, going downhill or whatever occam's razor dictates it's most likely gas in your car.

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dalesHow does bibles guy's explain black holes??

God created the universe

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REGRESSIVELEFTGod created the universe

you believe in magic

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zard_gawdyou believe in magic

No.
Do you believe in black holes?

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DirtYStylEIt is important to note that theory cannot transform into fact, no matter how much supporting evidence piles up. The basis of science is that it is open ended, and always open to advances.

If a fact can't be from science, where did facts come from?

Fact - a thing that is indisputably the case. My opinion is that SOME science can be proved indisputably.

Am I missing something?

A fact is something that can be proven via experience. Your NS handle (as of right now) is DirtYStylE. That is a fact and it is true as long as experience can confirm it. If you chance your NS handle to something else, it would no longer be a fact that your name is DirtYStylE. Facts, therefore, do not deal with universal & absolute truths but with temporary, experiential truths.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. Accordingly, theories do not transform into facts, as you claim, but instead that theories arise out of facts that have been collected and tested.

This is why if the facts change, then science changes with them.

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The real quiestion

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GORILLAWALLACEfor conservatives fact and opinion are the same thing and science doesn't exist because gawd

What about maths?

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bananabrainsWhat about maths?

The devil created maths to make people hate their life.

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JGWIThe devil created maths to make people hate their life.

Many people turn to Pi just to get through it

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if God isn't real then how can science explain these

checkmate atheists

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scientists are lying mother fuckers

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MadFlavorscientists are lying mother fuckers

Scientist are not mother fuckers because they understand that inbreeding leads to increased frequency of homo recessive traits which decreased fitness.

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I think I came up with this idea from how people refute science. How can you not agree? Its science bitch!

How do we get people to believe in science? Maybe change the word theory to something more ensuring like: