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Interesting Affordable Goggle Companies.

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Cyabski
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Deft optics and Zionor Optics are two companies that appear to have no relation what so ever. They are just two companies selling affordable goggles that appear to be decent quality. It gets weird though because they are selling the exact same goggle, they are just slapping their different logos on them. I was curious and bought a pair of the Deft goggles and I'm actually very pleased with them.

I know there are more companies selling these same goggles and it has me wondering what is the original company that actually designed them? Has anyone else tried these affordable goggles? And what are your thoughts on the whole situation?

http://deftoptics.com/

http://www.zionor.com/ski-goggles
Apr 27 2016 11:23AM
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TrickyDick470
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For a while I had Kreed goggles. Got them for like $25. They worked really well and actually looked cool. They actually had mirrored polarized lenses, they just didn't have as wide lenses as some of the goggles out on the market nowadays. The only reason I stopped using them is because I used them downhill mountain biking and I scratched the shit out of them.

It is nice that there are a few companies out there where you can get a decent product without breaking the bank.
Apr 27 2016 11:37AM
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ascent_studios
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Ryft looks pretty good also
Apr 27 2016 2:08PM
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John18_6
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China. Donald Trump. USA. Children. Profit.
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/ski-goggles.html
Apr 27 2016 2:15PM
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hot.pocket
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AIRBLASTER PEW PEW PEW

Apr 27 2016 2:36PM
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snowpocalypse
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Yep its an easy concept. One of the top companies like Smith or Oakley spend tons of money developing great style and tech for your eyes. They develop and market the product then at some point a manufacture in china get their hands on a pair. They copy the mold and offer it to any ass hat that will pay to have 100 of them made. No r&d, no marketing, no support for the industry. So that ass hat buys a bunch of pre-made goggles, have the guys in china slap their names on the side and boom.... you have Defts. Call it what it is.... stealing.
Apr 27 2016 5:03PM
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John18_6
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SVmikeyou have Defts. Call it what it is.... stealing.


Apr 27 2016 5:17PM
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skierman
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That's what you get when you have unregulated factories in China making your product. If you buy those, you're supporting slave labor. True story.
Apr 27 2016 6:13PM
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Deviate
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Been seeing these goggles sold under many different brand names recently. While I'm sure the quality is fine, it's obvious they are Chinese knock-offs of popular models from reputable brands.

I'm assuming anyone willing to sell and market them under their own brand can order up a batch from the factory. Easy way to make a profit by skipping all r&d, then it's just up to how well you can market them. While I doubt this is illegal in anyway, it's a dishonest business practice in my opinion.

Would never buy!
Apr 28 2016 6:21AM
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marrows
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SVmikeYep its an easy concept. One of the top companies like Smith or Oakley spend tons of money developing great style and tech for your eyes. They develop and market the product then at some point a manufacture in china get their hands on a pair. They copy the mold and offer it to any ass hat that will pay to have 100 of them made. No r&d, no marketing, no support for the industry. So that ass hat buys a bunch of pre-made goggles, have the guys in china slap their names on the side and boom.... you have Defts. Call it what it is.... stealing.


I'd say charging $300 for a piece of plastic is stealing, and both Smith and Oakley do that.
Call it what it is.

A simple google search will show you that both of those companies also manufacture certain parts in China, so really they're doing the exact same thing as Deft, just charging more.
Apr 28 2016 5:41PM
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snowpocalypse
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marrowsI'd say charging $300 for a piece of plastic is stealing, and both Smith and Oakley do that.
Call it what it is.

A simple google search will show you that both of those companies also manufacture certain parts in China, so really they're doing the exact same thing as Deft, just charging more.


The big players spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year developing not just style but the optics that keep you eyes safe. They also support the industry by marketing dollars and sponsorships. What they are effectively are doing is intellectual theft. If you have ever been to an SIA show, you will see a large delegation of people from "manufacturers" that walk around and just take pictures of other companies gear. Are they doing it to show off the great new and innovative goods? No, all they are doing is going back to china and strait copying the product and mass producing it at a much lower quality by the way. If you think the big guys are a rip off by all means go ahead and buy the cheap shit, but if you come on here and spout how core you are and how nobody care about the skier anymore just remember... You are the problem.
Apr 29 2016 11:06AM
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Fletch_F_Fletch
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Not goggles, but these guys sell dope sunglasses. And they're on sale right now with code "lill20".

https://blenderseyewear.refersion.com/c/7ad3e
Apr 29 2016 1:18PM
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weedoo
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I'd say Ryft, not sure on how they're made though but they're really involved in the community.
Apr 30 2016 2:58PM
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.squirrely.
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weedooI'd say Ryft, not sure on how they're made though but they're really involved in the community.


If commenting stupid shit on random gaper's instagrams means being really involved than ya I guess
Apr 30 2016 11:03PM
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weedoo
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You know, you're kinda right lol
May 2 2016 12:50PM
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weedoo
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You know, you're kinda right lol
May 2 2016 12:50PM
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weedoo
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You know, you're kinda right lol
May 2 2016 12:50PM
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freeballer
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SVmikeThe big players spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year developing not just style but the optics that keep you eyes safe. They also support the industry by marketing dollars and sponsorships. What they are effectively are doing is intellectual theft. If you have ever been to an SIA show, you will see a large delegation of people from "manufacturers" that walk around and just take pictures of other companies gear. Are they doing it to show off the great new and innovative goods? No, all they are doing is going back to china and strait copying the product and mass producing it at a much lower quality by the way. If you think the big guys are a rip off by all means go ahead and buy the cheap shit, but if you come on here and spout how core you are and how nobody care about the skier anymore just remember... You are the problem.

How do the big players support the industry? They sponsor athletes and spend money on marketing solely to sell more product and further their profits, exactly as large, multi-national corporations would do. Does Oakley and Smith spend a dime on programs to make skiing more popular or accessible to lower income families? I highly doubt that. How has any non-sponsored skier benefited at all from very large brands selling $300 goggles?

By the way, Oakley is owned by an Italian company that owns Chanel, Prada, Armani, Rayban, Sunglass Hut, Lenscrafters and a ton of other brands, and they also manufacture heavily in China, if that's a concern to anyone.
May 3 2016 4:03PM
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snowpocalypse
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freeballerHow do the big players support the industry? They sponsor athletes and spend money on marketing solely to sell more product and further their profits, exactly as large, multi-national corporations would do. Does Oakley and Smith spend a dime on programs to make skiing more popular or accessible to lower income families? I highly doubt that. How has any non-sponsored skier benefited at all from very large brands selling $300 goggles?

By the way, Oakley is owned by an Italian company that owns Chanel, Prada, Armani, Rayban, Sunglass Hut, Lenscrafters and a ton of other brands, and they also manufacture heavily in China, if that's a concern to anyone.


Smith donated heavily to the High 5 foundation, Woodriver Freeride program (which does exactly what you state, gives lower income kids a coached ski environment) and many other organizations. They also invent the tech that keeps your eyes safe. Oakley invests heavily in issues for our returning service members as well as Rx for children that can't afford glasses. Sure they get good PR out of it but so what. They are doing good, Smith is 90% built here in the states thus putting people to work here in the good ol US of A. Now that I killed your arguments... Its theft plain and simple. The Chines are coming over steeling intellectual property, manufacturing it at pennies on the dollar, dumb asses think they are "starting" a goggle line and sell them cheep. How is that helping anyone? I don't care if you buy the cheat rip offs but don't claim that you are any part of the industry or "more core" than you actually are as an ass hole thief.
May 3 2016 5:36PM
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freeballer
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SVmikeSmith donated heavily to the High 5 foundation, Woodriver Freeride program (which does exactly what you state, gives lower income kids a coached ski environment) and many other organizations. They also invent the tech that keeps your eyes safe. Oakley invests heavily in issues for our returning service members as well as Rx for children that can't afford glasses. Sure they get good PR out of it but so what. They are doing good, Smith is 90% built here in the states thus putting people to work here in the good ol US of A. Now that I killed your arguments... Its theft plain and simple. The Chines are coming over steeling intellectual property, manufacturing it at pennies on the dollar, dumb asses think they are "starting" a goggle line and sell them cheep. How is that helping anyone? I don't care if you buy the cheat rip offs but don't claim that you are any part of the industry or "more core" than you actually are as an ass hole thief.

Fair points for sure. However, commending big brands for keeping your eyes safe is far-fetched. This isn't a safety argument and the tech to keep your eyes 100% safe has been around for a very long time. The newest, most expensive googles don't keep your eyes any safer than crappier ones. As long as they have 100% UV protection, which virtually every goggle has.

For the record, I'm not saying that it's ok to steal someones technology. That is indeed theft.

And if you can get a goggle for cheap, it is helping people. It saves them money that can go toward medical bills, skis, food, lift tix or a season pass, and on an on.
May 3 2016 6:08PM
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SennahojEwagas
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Have you guys already heard about Gloryfy unbreakable? Its an Austrian company, they make unbreakable glasses and googles. Even the lenses are unbreakable. I am going to buy me one next winter. Here's the website: http://www.gloryfy-me.com/flex
May 24 2016 2:37PM
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