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Last december i bought a pair tecnica cochises and they were great for the first few weeks, but after that they started to not stay tight and create a lot of shinspace. Its gotten to the point where I can't even use the boots anymore because I have to undo and retighten every buckle and strap after any feature, no matter how small. I've tried every possible thing to make them fit and nothing has worked, so Ive decided to buy another pair because I still have a significant portion of the season left, as well as summer camp. I'm unsure of what boot to get and i REALLY want to avoid that same problem. I heard that they don't have to be specifically made for park as long as they fit right. Is this true? Some models I were looking at were the salomon xmax 100, the dalbello sports boss, dalbello kr rampage 2016, lange rx 120 2016. I don't want full tilts. I ski only park and I'm working on front flips, misty 5's, 720's, and semi advanced rail tricks if that helps. i have narrow shins. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
But in all seriousness why don't you go to a store get fitted in boots there, tip your bootfitter then go order online. Its not rocket science see what fits your foot nice provides good flex and good stability and isn't an arm and a leg expensive.
they eliminated my loose shin problem every now and then my buckles pop loose but thats just due to over flexing my tongue and letting the cable come loose on my full tilts.
If you are having problems with shin spacing buy or make your own boot shims. Which are a wedge of foam that goes between the liner and the shell to take up extra space for people with chicken legs. I have them for my own boots, and if you're getting shin bang they will eliminate it.
Another solution would be to try heel lifts if you find you have to much space over your ankle making your foot slide forward. You can have heel lifts with a foot bed which is a must if you want the best performance from your boots. Shell modifications can be made as well however that is a little bit harder and I would recommend taking to a boot fitter. No matter what boots you get the liner will pack out and you will probably have the same problem till you decide to properly get the boots fitted. Also people with skinnier legs can sometimes get a more performance (tighter) fit with wrap around liner styles if you haven't tried those yet.
they eliminated my loose shin problem every now and then my buckles pop loose but thats just due to over flexing my tongue and letting the cable come loose on my full tilts.
slay_ColdstuffIf you are having problems with shin spacing buy or make your own boot shims. Which are a wedge of foam that goes between the liner and the shell to take up extra space for people with chicken legs. I have them for my own boots, and if you're getting shin bang they will eliminate it.
Another solution would be to try heel lifts if you find you have to much space over your ankle making your foot slide forward. You can have heel lifts with a foot bed which is a must if you want the best performance from your boots. Shell modifications can be made as well however that is a little bit harder and I would recommend taking to a boot fitter. No matter what boots you get the liner will pack out and you will probably have the same problem till you decide to properly get the boots fitted. Also people with skinnier legs can sometimes get a more performance (tighter) fit with wrap around liner styles if you haven't tried those yet.
OP - your boots sound like they are too big and/or the wrong shape for you.
Before we spout off 100 different random solutions, we need to know the most basic cause of the problem- are your boots too big? So, take out the liner, put your foot in the shell, slide your foot to the front, and tell us how much space is behind your heel. 1cm is a high performance fit, 2cm is normal, 3cm (or bigger) is way too big. If your boot is too big, then nothing will solve the problem other than getting the proper size and shape for your foot.
HoodlivingBut in all seriousness why don't you go to a store get fitted in boots there, tip your bootfitter then go order online.
While this isn't a complete dick move, it's close. Your shop is investing time in you, and it will ultimately be in your benefit to work with them. They will offer you a fit guarantee, the internet won't and a shop will (and should) charge you for fitting the boot. If you see the exact boot you need for cheaper online, tell them. 9/10 they will price match because they need your business. You will most likely get the good price AND the fitting service you need anyway.
onenerdykidOP - your boots sound like they are too big and/or the wrong shape for you.
Before we spout off 100 different random solutions, we need to know the most basic cause of the problem- are your boots too big? So, take out the liner, put your foot in the shell, slide your foot to the front, and tell us how much space is behind your heel. 1cm is a high performance fit, 2cm is normal, 3cm (or bigger) is way too big. If your boot is too big, then nothing will solve the problem other than getting the proper size and shape for your foot.
in hindsight it was a little too big so I'm just getting new boots. i don't know what model to get though
Nikolausin hindsight it was a little too big so I'm just getting new boots. i don't know what model to get though
It's ok not to know what boot to get, that's what a boot-fitter will help determine with you. Almost every brand offers options in super narrow, narrow, medium narrow, medium, medium wide, wide, and super wide. So, this is where a boot-fitter comes in and finds the right thing for your needs. What works for one person might not for another for this very reason. So, if someone says "X-boot is awesome check that out" there is a very high chance that it will not be the right thing for you.
onenerdykidWhile this isn't a complete dick move, it's close. Your shop is investing time in you, and it will ultimately be in your benefit to work with them. They will offer you a fit guarantee, the internet won't and a shop will (and should) charge you for fitting the boot. If you see the exact boot you need for cheaper online, tell them. 9/10 they will price match because they need your business. You will most likely get the good price AND the fitting service you need anyway.
that's very true, although the shop I go to get fitted at is a race shop and doesn't carry any park oriented boots or flex, so I ended up giving him 20 bucks and a six pack for the fitting then paid for the shell punch and fitting when I brought in my boots I bought elsewhere. By all means make it worth their while if you're just going to get fitted, because yes it can be a dick move if they got the same boot relatively priced
onenerdykidIt's ok not to know what boot to get, that's what a boot-fitter will help determine with you. Almost every brand offers options in super narrow, narrow, medium narrow, medium, medium wide, wide, and super wide. So, this is where a boot-fitter comes in and finds the right thing for your needs. What works for one person might not for another for this very reason. So, if someone says "X-boot is awesome check that out" there is a very high chance that it will not be the right thing for you.
I already went to my local place and they recommended me the salomon xmax 100 and it fit well, but when i researched it, it seemed more like a racing boot to me. they're pretty cleaned out right now cuz its april
NikolausI already went to my local place and they recommended me the salomon xmax 100 and it fit well, but when i researched it, it seemed more like a racing boot to me. they're pretty cleaned out right now cuz its april
I skied race boots in the park for a long time (Lange RS130's) and now I ski all mountain SX 120's in the park. As long as the boots fit you they will be fine, make sure you also get a custom footbed made because without one the boots will never fit you properly.
Good fitting race/all mountain boot > sloppy fitting park boot.
NikolausI already went to my local place and they recommended me the salomon xmax 100 and it fit well, but when i researched it, it seemed more like a racing boot to me. they're pretty cleaned out right now cuz its april
As Negromancer above says, get what fits. Fit & function are the most important aspects of the boot, not its marketing. This is why Keefer wears a legit world cup race room boot- it simply works for him, and it absolutely does not hold him back in any respects.
onenerdykidAs Negromancer above says, get what fits. Fit & function are the most important aspects of the boot, not its marketing. This is why Keefer wears a legit world cup race room boot- it simply works for him, and it absolutely does not hold him back in any respects.
Its either gonna be the xmax, rampage, or lange. ill do whatever fits best. thanks for your help
onenerdykidAs Negromancer above says, get what fits. Fit & function are the most important aspects of the boot, not its marketing. This is why Keefer wears a legit world cup race room boot- it simply works for him, and it absolutely does not hold him back in any respects.
Just out of curiosity, what last and flex are those race room boots ?
PachankzJust out of curiosity, what last and flex are those race room boots ?
Keefer visited Atomic HQ here in Austria a few weeks ago and got fitted for some Redster FIS 130s with foam injection liners from our world cup race department. They have a 95mm last width and the 130 is stiffer than our commercial Redster Pro 130 because it uses thicker plastic.
He originally started out in our Hawx Prime boot (100mm last) and then moved to Redster Pro (98mm) and eventually settled on the FIS 130 because it held his foot the way he wanted.
onenerdykidKeefer visited Atomic HQ here in Austria a few weeks ago and got fitted for some Redster FIS 130s with foam injection liners from our world cup race department. They have a 95mm last width and the 130 is stiffer than our commercial Redster Pro 130 because it uses thicker plastic.
He originally started out in our Hawx Prime boot (100mm last) and then moved to Redster Pro (98mm) and eventually settled on the FIS 130 because it held his foot the way he wanted.
gapersarefriendsholy shit 95mm? that seems tiny to me
They're race boots, when you're going 120 km/h+ down a icy slope (or in Keefer's case doing dubs over huge jumps) you want as tight as fit as possible without making your feet go completely numb, some race boots go down to 92mm last.
He may not even be skiing in 95mm last he may have stretched the boot for more room, or he may just have narrow feet, or just like a very tight and close fitting boot.
NegromancerThey're race boots, when you're going 120 km/h+ down a icy slope (or in Keefer's case doing dubs over huge jumps) you want as tight as fit as possible without making your feet go completely numb, some race boots go down to 92mm last.
He may not even be skiing in 95mm last he may have stretched the boot for more room, or he may just have narrow feet, or just like a very tight and close fitting boot.
I get how race boots work but it still is crazy to me, riding a 102mm boot thats tight
NegromancerThey're race boots, when you're going 120 km/h+ down a icy slope (or in Keefer's case doing dubs over huge jumps) you want as tight as fit as possible without making your feet go completely numb, some race boots go down to 92mm last.
He may not even be skiing in 95mm last he may have stretched the boot for more room, or he may just have narrow feet, or just like a very tight and close fitting boot.
I'm sure he had some grinding and stretching done in certain spots (knowing his foot, probably around the navicular and 6th toe area) and then he got a foam injection liner. His foot is basically cemented in the perfect position- he's not going anywhere haha.
gapersarefriendsI get how race boots work but it still is crazy to me, riding a 102mm boot thats tight
Well, that's what works for his foot shape and why we always say what works great for one person usually doesn't for another. He's also skiing at such high speeds and the impact force during those huge landings turns normal boots to mush. If he was just cruising around like an average park skier (no offense) he definitely wouldn't need so much boot.
The boot that fits is the best option, but in all actuality full tilts are pretty crap boots. Don't last that long, always crack and break and are cheap as fuck. Dalbello is a much more durable option and has better features.
