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alright, i already searched like 4 times and i couldnt find this so my decision is....i can get some 179 05 pe's used for like 30 mins for 175 bucks or some 177 stl demos that havent ever been used except by me (they are demos in the shop i work in and i hid them) for like 250-300ish. i really like the stl's but i think the pe's might be a better deal for the price. opinions please