GOD..

found this on CNN.com (source url at bottom), thought it was pretty funny.

GODLEY, Texas (Reuters) -- An argument over who was going to heaven and who was going to hell ended with one Texas man shooting another to death with a shotgun, police said Monday.

The man charged in the slaying is a corrections officer.

Johnny Joslin, 20, was allegedly shot by Clayton Frank Stoker, 21, on Sunday. The two had spent Saturday night bar hopping with two other men in Fort Worth, about 40 miles (65 kilometers) northeast of Godley.

Johnson County Sheriff Bob Alford said a witness who was the designated driver for the group told police the four men were sitting at a table outside a trailer park after their night on the town and began arguing about religion.

The talk became heated when the subject turned to who would go to heaven and who would go to hell.

Stoker said he would settle the argument and went into a house and returned with a shotgun, which he loaded and placed in his mouth, Alford said the witness reported.

'The victim Joslin then took the gun out of Stoker's mouth, saying, 'If you have to shoot somebody, shoot me,'' Alford said, citing the witness report.

The shotgun went off, hitting Joslin in the chest and killing him.

Stoker, a Johnson County corrections officer, has been arrested and charged with first-degree murder, Alford said.


::just seemed to relate to what we were talking about somewhat.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/29/afterlife.argument.reut/index.html

That's bloody aweful, this debate isn't quite that heated though thankfully.

Evolution hasn't been proved at all. I have some friends doing post-graduate PhD's in it and was talking to them about it yesterday and went to an Evolution seminar last week. They will show you tables that have all the different 'stages' in human evolution. Starting at Apes or whatever you wish to call them and going through all the different sub-species until arriving at humans. These sub-groups of evolution are all linked somehow. On every graph you see they are linked by little dotted lines. Now, ask the dude talking about it just exactly what the dotted lines are and he won't be able to tell you. Evolution is a theory, nothing more. There is no logical, rational, scientific, mathmatic, anything explanation for just what the hell those dotted lines mean, how they came about or what they lead to. So yah, my point is, no one can explain or prove how these changes between sub groups actually occur, no one can tell you what happens there, it's dotted lines on paper, that's all it is.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
'We are slaves to the labor of love that winter brings us every year.'
*I love Matty Enns*

tim, are you saying that NO evolutin can be explained or proved, or just evolution from apes to humans?





A moment is the most you can ever expect from perfection.

hmmmm I'm gonna have to disagree Tim. Evolution is a fact. We do know why and how but not exactly when (because there isn't a record of a fossil every 100 years) basically the Evolution is a fact. Everything from Mitochondrial dna to fossil records to the similarities in DNA show that it did happen. But the part of evolution that is 'theory' is the branching off of different groups. this part explains things like physical characteristics of the different cultures. there's 2 main theories that explain the fact of evolution. one of them has a different type of human-like species that completely dies off there's more to it too there's an earlyer split of the species into different areas of the world. The other includes the 'human-like' species in the chain of human evolution and has a much later date for the splitting up of the species across the earth which leads to their evolution into different cultures.


so yeah if you don't wanna read all that... then yes evolution is a fact. but we don't know exactly when certain things happen so there are theories as to when different things happened. When people hear the word theory they automatically think that's it's some dude's opinion.

also the catholicism accepts evolution. (or at least roman-catholicism)

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Catholicism only accepts evolution at this point because facts supporting macroevolution are consistent w/ catholic beliefs. Like I said microevolution is proven (basically it's survival of the fittest and adaptation, not the creation of new groups of genes, it's the changing of the effectiveness of certain genes), but macroevolution is on the verge of breakthroughs.

Mike man, evolution isn't a fact, it's a theory, Darwin said that himself just before he died, also he added that he didn't believe it either.

Natural Selection/Adaption however is a differnt story. I think maybe that is what you're talking about?? Species can change and adapt to different environments and surroundings in order to survive. This takes a lot of time though. How do you know that these 'links' between humans and animals aren't just old extinct species? Sure they've found different skeletons etc but what's to say that early man didn't just have a different shaped head or something. There is still no evidence to support the fact that we came from ape-like creatures. I could draw you a diagram explaining all the steps and changes that took place from a small 4 legged Praire Dog to a human and it would be the same, no proof, no evidence, no support.

However, I do respect your opinions and stuff, just giving you my opinion and my reasons for believing what I say.

Natural Selection: Contradicts itself. The entire theory of Evolution is based around the theory of Natural Selection. One 'something' going through many stages of uselessness until it gets to a 'something' that is of some use. Take an eye for an example. Sure, Apes and early man also had eyes but where'd they come from?? What did they evolve from?? Ask an evolutionist this (As I did) and they won't be able to tell you. An eye is an incredibly complex organ, very useful you might agree. So how then did it evolve through millions of stages of total uselessness if Natural Selection states that useless things are done away with for the better of the creature? Interesting aye. You shoulda seen the look on that PhD dudes' face when I told him that. Raises many questions.

Basically the way I see it. Adaption among species can occur for a creature to better equip itself to it's enviroment and against preditors. Natural Selection and Evolution is a contradiction and a theory.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
'We are slaves to the labor of love that winter brings us every year.'
*I love Matty Enns*

that's my $.02 anyway, wait, maybe my $.10c

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*I love Matty Enns*

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*previous definition of natural selection/adaption*

'One 'something' going through many stages of uselessness until it gets to a 'something' that is of some use. '

is this a quote?
I'm almost sure that adaptation is not many stages of complete uselessness to something useful, but instead, many stages of 'progres'.

for example:
some where in south america i think, theres this one type of neut thats bright orange, and one type of snake that eats it. to defend itself from the snake, the neut has progresivly become more and more poisonous. this helps the neut defend itself from other animals, but the snake, too, has (key word) adapted to the poison so it can still eat the neut. on and on this goes, the neut becomes more poisonous, the snake developes a stronger immune system. thus adaption
i'm not quite sure of what my point was... to explain adaption, i think. so yeah
(i saw it on discovery )
and there is a difference between natual selection and adaption. i'm hoping that someone else will explain that.

tim, i'm sure there is *some* evidence to support evolution. i'm not saying prove, because i don't really know. so...yeah.








A moment is the most you can ever expect from perfection.

Sorry dude, I might have misworded that. When I was talking about stages of uselessness I wasn't talking about Adaption, more about Evolution.

I'm not saying that there is no evidence to 'support' evolution or adaption. I think adaption is pretty evident, look at things like what you just mentioned in your last post, that's adaption. Chameleons (or however you spell it) have adapted over time. There's plenty of evidence to support evolution but pretty much nothing to actually 'prove' it.

And Dirty, take your dumb ass someplace else you fuck.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
'We are slaves to the labor of love that winter brings us every year.'
*I love Matty Enns*

no, there is proof that it happened dude... they don't know how apes evolved. but they know we evolved from apes. first you have the fossil records of species there is a fairly clear change between each of them while they all have the same hip structures and things like the ridge that the apes have on the top of their head if you look at the fossils you can see that as they evolve the ridge, along with the jaw gets smaller. Then there's mitochondrial DNA which is the DNA of the mitochondria in our cells. it turns out that we have the nearly the same (to more than 99%) mitochondria, where other animals have slightly different (like 85%) mitochondria because they evolved differently at a much earlyer time. (the dna has mutations at a predictable rate. something like .01% in 10,000 years) Then there are direct similarities between our dna and primates.

Darwin didn't really have any proof for human evolution. he came up with natural selection and looked at ape babies and noticed how similar they are to humans. so he thought that maybe there was some corrilation. he died before there was any real proof that he was right.



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that's not proof. That's evidence to support a theory. Darwin came up with the theory and said on his death bed that he actually thought it was a crock. Sure, there are some sculls and fossils around that are similar in size and shape to that of a human scull. Dating on them puts them back before the theorised years of early man, that would actually mean something if Carbon Dating hadn't just been proven to be bullocks.

It's a theory with a little bit of support/evidence, no solid proof. If there is then why are more and more Evolution researches turning away from it and saying, hmmm, it doesn't work.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
'We are slaves to the labor of love that winter brings us every year.'
*I love Matty Enns*

666 die die, kill kill, you will all burn in the firey pits of hell.

whats wrong with me preaching my satanic beliefs, while everyone else can preach about there christian beliefs?

post removed by moderators? fucking bullshit.

666 666 666, die motherfuckers.


Yeahhh, torture motherfucker what?
What? I'll fuckin
I'll fuckin tie you to a fuckin bedpost
with your ass cheeks spread out and shit, Right?
Put a hanger on a fuckin stove and let that shit sit there for like a half hour, Take it off and stick it in your ass slow like
Tssssssss

Tim, you've brought up some very interesting points, ones that I'll have to consider. I'm trying to formulate some kind of an argument against this... because I'm somewhat of an evolutionist myself.

I think that evolution itself carries on in somewhat of a 'common sense' way... although common sense itself is a human creation, but that's another discussion. Say we've got the world's first life form flitting through the ocean... and we won't talk about how he got there either, because that's another discussion! But here is Jimmy the single-celled organism, floating happily about... and he needs food. I think we can all agree that one of the basic rules of life is the need for sustenance... so how is he going to find it? 'Common sense,' naturally speaking, dictates that evolution will provide Jimmy or his offspring with some adaptation that will be useful in locating edibles... say, little mandibles for feeling about. And as the evolutionary chain grows, and different species and varieties of species multiply, the need for different sensory organs arises for survival. Hence, noses, ears, eyes. I can very well imagine a little knob on a fish's head that is sensitive to light, telling it when a predator is near, or prey. Light is a given environmental condition for most of Earth's inhabitants, so it's only 'natural' that we've developed sensory organs capable of percieving it. It's the same idea as how legs came about... to move. Noses, to smell, ears- to hear. Nature provides the condition, and evolution adapts to it in the most capable manner. Little slimy in the ocean develops light-sensitive cells... slimy becomes a pre-fish thing... becomes an amphibian... etc etc, just like the little charts in your science book.

Another sensible comparison is photosythesis in plants... an entirely brilliant evolutionary concept for them. Energy is right there for the taking, and that branch of life developed a system to use it. So did we... but in a different manner.

Okay, enough evolution. This is more than enough for another huge thread.

One thing I want to touch on is something Stevie (SkierX) said quite a few posts back, about hope. I think one of the main staples of religions, and one of the primary ingredients in the baking of modern religion, is the prospect of hope. Religion provides an explanation for us.... and doubtless if it's right or wrong, in many cases it can help. I think all of us at one time or another come to the realization that we are all just little creatures living out our little lives... that very, very soon in the eyes of nature we will be dead and gone, and that nothing meant anything and nothing ever will. It's just existence and then non-existence. And religion gives people belief in a higher purpose... A REASON for life. It is very difficult to come to terms with your own nothingness sometimes, and religion offers hope of salvation. Maybe it's wrong... but personally I'm glad that some people have the support they need to carry on in life. Belief can be an incredibly good thing.... and we have all seen its negative aspects, hence wars, killing, violence and bloodshed.

While I'm still in a rambling mood, I'd like to present a little argument about souls.... for anyone who cares to read. A common belief, I think, is that there's a bunch of souls all flitting about out in nothingness, or Heaven, or whatever you want to call it... and we live a life, then return to our little place, then live another life. For every person a soul.... but the problem is, wasn't it only a few thousand years ago when there were less than 50 million people on Earth? Now there are over six billion... so where do all the extra souls come from? Does Heaven have some kind of soul factory? It would certainly be interesting work....

....and I admit it. I got that argument from the movie 'Before Sunrise.' Which I recommend to all of you.

I will conclude this lengthiness with my own beliefs about all this stuff, if you care to read it. I don't really need an explanation for everything that exists, and I don't think I'll ever be happy with one, because there's no way to define.... well, everything. The world (not just this one) is a very big, big place... and if there is a higher purpose out there somewhere, then I must be serving it just by being alive... which is fine by me. But nature hasn't told me to get down on my knees and pray, so I won't. And if I have anything to be thankful for, it is that I AM alive, that I can think, that I can type this right now and talk and love and hope and feel happiness and sadness and be born and die... and to see things that are wonderful and good. And so I am thankful to be alive... damn thankful. But I don't know who to thank, so instead of spending all my time thanking someone, I try to help myself and others to enjoy this life as much as possible... because it's all we've got, after all. There's too much emptiness out there after death for us to all be assholes.

Emily Bennett is a Lizard King-loving Sex Goddess!

'I don't know what's gonna happen, man, but I want to get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames!' -Jim Morrison

N

With all due respect to the game, I'm the P-H-enom
Not ready for prime time, be-yond, extinction
Change your way of thinkin, or be-gone
fast the fuck out, somethin stinkin
Could it be the skunk, or could it be that body in the trunk
of my Lincoln, Continental style pop the pussy like a pimple
I'm fed up, I put it in your ear and fuck ya head up
Turnin up the temperature, hold them kids that entered the
36th, master mix shit
Biohazardous, pretentious
Do it for the chemically imbalanced
State your business, pay me at the door
Iron Man, hear me roar on twelve inches
Shell shocked soldier in the trenches
Fire in the hole game commences
Third string rappers play the benches
Reload, there'll be no repentance for souls
Just life sentence, with no chance for parole
and that's real

E

With all due respect to the game, I'm the P-H-enom
Not ready for prime time, be-yond, extinction
Change your way of thinkin, or be-gone
fast the fuck out, somethin stinkin
Could it be the skunk, or could it be that body in the trunk
of my Lincoln, Continental style pop the pussy like a pimple
I'm fed up, I put it in your ear and fuck ya head up
Turnin up the temperature, hold them kids that entered the
36th, master mix shit
Biohazardous, pretentious
Do it for the chemically imbalanced
State your business, pay me at the door
Iron Man, hear me roar on twelve inches
Shell shocked soldier in the trenches
Fire in the hole game commences
Third string rappers play the benches
Reload, there'll be no repentance for souls
Just life sentence, with no chance for parole
and that's real

R
With all due respect to the game, I'm the P-H-enom
Not ready for prime time, be-yond, extinction
Change your way of thinkin, or be-gone
fast the fuck out, somethin stinkin
Could it be the skunk, or could it be that body in the trunk
of my Lincoln, Continental style pop the pussy like a pimple
I'm fed up, I put it in your ear and fuck ya head up
Turnin up the temperature, hold them kids that entered the
36th, master mix shit
Biohazardous, pretentious
Do it for the chemically imbalanced
State your business, pay me at the door
Iron Man, hear me roar on twelve inches
Shell shocked soldier in the trenches
Fire in the hole game commences
Third string rappers play the benches
Reload, there'll be no repentance for souls
Just life sentence, with no chance for parole
and that's real

D
With all due respect to the game, I'm the P-H-enom
Not ready for prime time, be-yond, extinction
Change your way of thinkin, or be-gone
fast the fuck out, somethin stinkin
Could it be the skunk, or could it be that body in the trunk
of my Lincoln, Continental style pop the pussy like a pimple
I'm fed up, I put it in your ear and fuck ya head up
Turnin up the temperature, hold them kids that entered the
36th, master mix shit
Biohazardous, pretentious
Do it for the chemically imbalanced
State your business, pay me at the door
Iron Man, hear me roar on twelve inches
Shell shocked soldier in the trenches
Fire in the hole game commences
Third string rappers play the benches
Reload, there'll be no repentance for souls
Just life sentence, with no chance for parole
and that's real

S
With all due respect to the game, I'm the P-H-enom
Not ready for prime time, be-yond, extinction
Change your way of thinkin, or be-gone
fast the fuck out, somethin stinkin
Could it be the skunk, or could it be that body in the trunk
of my Lincoln, Continental style pop the pussy like a pimple
I'm fed up, I put it in your ear and fuck ya head up
Turnin up the temperature, hold them kids that entered the
36th, master mix shit
Biohazardous, pretentious
Do it for the chemically imbalanced
State your business, pay me at the door
Iron Man, hear me roar on twelve inches
Shell shocked soldier in the trenches
Fire in the hole game commences
Third string rappers play the benches
Reload, there'll be no repentance for souls
Just life sentence, with no chance for parole
and that's real

hahahahaha nice dirty

dirty, you are quite possibly one of the most retarted fuckwits I have ever come across. Do you get pleasure or something out of being an asshole. You know, maybe evolution is true. I've never come across someone as fucked up as you before. Maybe you were just some super stupid fag and you somehow managed to go through various stages to turn into the most amazingly super duper retarded bumchum the world has ever seen. I hope you never reproduce, maybe one day when you go through puberty and get some hair on your balls you'll actually get a life too. Eat shit.

Kami, I hear you man. I kinda agree with your statement about little Jimmy. I think that is more adaption than Evolution though. The creature adapts to it's environment. Okay, we won't debate about how the little dude got there we'll just say that he did. But there's one of him. How does he reproduce?? How does he feed on anything if he's the first living organism?? Okay, lets say that there are others, and predators too. How does he have time to adapt, reproduce and all this without being killed by predators?? Let's say that there are lots of little Jimmy's out there and they're all reproducing and making more organisms the same. They need to see, sure. Or at least have something sensitive to light so they can navigate in the water. Something to make sure that they can see, identify predators, escape if need be, attack if need be, eat, digest, excrete etc etc. Now, if there was one little Jimmy that go there somehow how does he do this if his lifespan is not more than 50 million years or so?

I think that you're right about Adaption though. I reckon this probably does happen over generations and generations of the species. Like plants and other creatures that have developed means to protect themselves from predators. Look at a Venus flytrap, or a stinging nettle. But then how do you explain a platapus?? That's almost a mockery of evolution don't you think?

Anyways, that's what I think.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
'We are slaves to the labor of love that winter brings us every year.'
*I love Matty Enns*

I'm fuking rupped all this text scares me.. too much writing and my head feels like a mouse is inside it.
I feel like puking but theres nothing left in my stomache...
what the hell peapler are starting to pass out around ,e It's taking me a \hella long time to write this. what the hell freestylein time

I smoke blunts with the bitches
people hookin up like the hicks be hitchin
Fillin up my cup while blunts be rippin
I don't got to feel my feet cuze I be hitchin
from the bitch to my left and the ho to my east I might fuck you up because she' suckin on my beast.
I got one thing to say then I'm out.
I fucked the lunch lady even though she had the gout.


PEace out I'm gonnA fuckin sleep with a seal as my pillow and theres a dude thats been taking a shower for the last 2 hours... that shit ain't cool I think he's still tryin to rubb one out or something. I gott a go heck on the brotha. ..

eat me cokc. woman


MD... Dain bramaged.
'I am now a moderator... and all I had to do was suck harveys cock! who would have guessed?' - Dave Pauls.

A platypus works, doesn't it? And that's the reason it's around. And if there is a God in charge of this stuff... well then, the platypus is what happens when God's working late after having a few too many.

And did Dirty just call us 'Nerds?' I think that's the first time someone has called me a nerd since fifth grade.

Emily Bennett is a Lizard King-loving Sex Goddess!

'I don't know what's gonna happen, man, but I want to get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames!' -Jim Morrison

If I remember correctly from biology, single cells just go through mitosis and miosis right? They don't need another single celled organism to reproduce. And like I said before micro-evolution is basically adaptation.

3----) suck it bitches.

With all due respect to the game, I'm the P-H-enom
Not ready for prime time, be-yond, extinction
Change your way of thinkin, or be-gone
fast the fuck out, somethin stinkin
Could it be the skunk, or could it be that body in the trunk
of my Lincoln, Continental style pop the pussy like a pimple
I'm fed up, I put it in your ear and fuck ya head up
Turnin up the temperature, hold them kids that entered the
36th, master mix shit
Biohazardous, pretentious
Do it for the chemically imbalanced
State your business, pay me at the door
Iron Man, hear me roar on twelve inches
Shell shocked soldier in the trenches
Fire in the hole game commences
Third string rappers play the benches
Reload, there'll be no repentance for souls
Just life sentence, with no chance for parole
and that's real

So how then if you've got a mono-celled organism cruising around in the Genetic soup of amino acids that supposedly just happened from some absolutley micro chance anyway. How does this organism have time to develop into something? How does it know what to do? How does it not die. Adaption doesn't occur in a lifetime, adaption happens over hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of years. It's like a tornado boosting through a scrap metal yard and making a fully assembled and working 747.

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
'We are slaves to the labor of love that winter brings us every year.'
*I love Matty Enns*

Well it wouldn't take long for the cell to undergo miosis and mitosis. Then for those cells to replicate again. Eventually you have a very large number of these cells floating around. Some withstand certain types of conditions longer than others due to stronger or more efficient cell components. Then these replicate as the others can't withstand conditions easily and eventually you have a cell that lasts longer. This is only the first step in the cells adaptation. It'll keep 'gaining' traits through this process over thousands and thousands of years. It's how humans survied the plague. The people who avoided it due to stronger immune systems reproduced and their progeny were strong enough to resist it and so on, well that and sanitation, but you get the picture.

'the most amazingly super duper retarded bumchum the world has ever seen'
Now thats classy, Tim. :)
heheh, bumchum

Anyway....

adaption doesn't nessicarily take hundreds and hundreds of years, for example: my little neut friend. In that case, it was studdied for maybe about a decade. And animals aren't the only things that adapt. The same type of (i know its not exciting) kelp can be found in a huge variety of climats with slight differences to cope with the temperature.

As for how a certain living organismes can survive for long long long long periods of time, that is naturelle selection (survival of the strongest).

And if it wasn't for Kamikaze's post, I would have completely forgotten about the whole religon thing this post is based on. so heres my religous contribution:

1.Isn't the pope kind'a creepy? I mean, hes sooo old, nobody can understand what he says, and parents encourage their children to kiss him....

2. I always pick up the little booklets the chritians hand out on corners and by the skytrain stations. They're hilarious to read, but it's also frightening that people take what's written there seriously.
One of the things I got was about a family that had experienced alot of miricales:
Their kid had horrible eczema
They were attacked by a bob cat and severly injured
The father became ill with a rheumatic condition
They contracted small pox

SMALL POX
SMALL POX!!!!! yes sir, thats one blessed family.









A moment is the most you can ever expect from perfection.

uhhhh i haven't said much lately on this so i'll add alittle something here.

i was at the toronto zoo the other day and they had this exhibit on fish. now there is this lake somewhere (i really can't remember where), anyways, they can't seem to classify all the fish because they are evolving and changing EVERY GENERATION. that's nuts. that kinda changes any kind of long term adaptation (not adaption people) theory. i think nature takes it's coarse without regard for the time it will take. most major evolutionary changes (like eyes for example) are spontaneous and take place in only a few generations. if they don't work they're gone just as fast. i did have a handy dandy example of this but i can't remember that either.....mmmmmmmmmmmm.....beer.

by the way i always thought the 'nerds' were cool and the jocks and so called 'popular crew' were losers. maybe that's why i didn't get laid much in high school. meh!



- I ain't never been to Seasame Street, but i can flip a Big Bird....BACOOOOOOCK!!! -

I really found noone (or very few people) cool in highschool. They were all kids trying to act like adults. but anyways.... people obviously don't read other peoples posts. I was incredibly wasted. it took me a half hour and 4 piss stops to cross this feild... somehow I'm sitting infront of a computer. It took me 4 tried to log onto ns (and 2 tries to put the address in) and nobody even notices what I wrote.

By the way...
the guy in the shower stayed in there for 3 hours. I got really freaked when he didn't answer after I knocked on the door really loud. I tried to wake up another guy that's a lifeguard just incase he was drowning. he wouldn't move. So I broke into the bathroom and he was luckly he was tall enough that when he passes out his head stayed above the water level of the tub. so not only was I scared out of my mind... I had to wake up a drunk naked friend. hitting the tile with my hand really hard worked.

MD... Dain bramaged.
'I am now a moderator... and all I had to do was suck harveys cock! who would have guessed?' - Dave Pauls.

riiiiiigggggghhhhhht..........



- I ain't never been to Seasame Street, but i can flip a Big Bird....BACOOOOOOCK!!! -

Well roswel, I think you got that right... I'm a 'nerd' and I don't get laid at all... but I'm still cooler than the jocks. It works for me.

And Tim it always helps to consider that when life first came about, there was a lot more crazy sheeeite going on in the world than there is now... I mean, we're probably talking about the creation of the earth. Giant fireballs, massive collisions of gases, tumultuous changes... it's very possible that in this kind of environment the right chemical combination happened, a one in a trillion chance occurence.... and boom, life. Then again... who knows, maybe it was divine intervention. But somehow when I think of divine intervention, I think of these giant scientists in another dimension who created life in this universe as a test project... and they introduce guys like Hitler and... well, Dirty... to study the reaction rates of their test subjects.

Emily Bennett is a Lizard King-loving Sex Goddess!

'I don't know what's gonna happen, man, but I want to get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames!' -Jim Morrison

HAHA, I like it Kami, I like it, lol, and yeah, I do consider both sides of the argument, I just know which one I choose to support, ah well, everyone is entitled to their opinion aye.

And Mikey, I did notice what you wrote, I was just sitting there going, whoa, haha, wierdness, and I kinda got so weirded out that I didn't want to comment on it, haha

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
'We are slaves to the labor of love that winter brings us every year.'
*I love Matty Enns*

Word up Tim. I respect a man who sticks to his beliefs.

Emily Bennett is a Lizard King-loving Sex Goddess!

'I don't know what's gonna happen, man, but I want to get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames!' -Jim Morrison

Well...i got lost in the whole discussion. I don't believe in god and evolution makes perfect sense to me. All i have to say is THANK YOU PHATT TIM for being the first to say that about dirty. Good on ya mate.

haha, anytime dude, lol

~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
'We are slaves to the labor of love that winter brings us every year.'
*I love Matty Enns*

personally i believe in God because deep down i know he is real and everything in my life that i thgouth was going to be bad has always turned out to be good in the end...but, you all shouldnt sit around on a computer and try to tell people what is right and wrong...its part of my religion to try to spread my faith but if your talking to a person who doesnt believe in God or any type of higher being (especially on a computer) dont try to tell them they are wrong because they think you are wrong if your going to try to convinvce them to your faith give them examples of things that have happened in your life that keep your faith strong

well now what's up? you're telling people they're wrong for telling other people that their wrong

I am udderly confused by your post. That'd be funny if we were talking about a cow.





A moment is the most you can ever expect from perfection.

No it wouldn't





A moment is the most you can ever expect from perfection.

Shut up bitch!





A moment is the most you can ever expect from perfection.

YOU shut up! you whore!!! where the fuck do you get off trying to impersonate me???





A moment is the most you can ever expect from perfection.

Multiple personalities...... craaaaaaaaaaaazy.

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