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alpinecowboy84
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i'd normally put something like this in the dl, but seeing that its not a big enough group i'll go ahead and attempt to see if it works here...

i was at the gym yesterday working on some stuff and as always the kid behind the counter was dj'ing the freshest mtv hip hop cuts...all of us white kids together with our repititions enjoying the beat as it drove us along. but in the middle of this i got to thinking...

i just went on a trip to southeast asia (which was amazing) and like in all travel guides, i noticed that our books on cambodia, thailand and vietnam all had sections or information about existing ethnicities - often some sort of hill tribe still living by their 'cultural traditions.' see, travellers - from everywhere really - like to learn about cultural groups like that, the ones that stand apart from the run of the mill national culture.

in the middle of this hip hop i wondered what travel guides about america say. obviously there has to be a fascination and a dedicated interest towards the aboriginal groups (native americans), but i also wondered about what they might have said about other ethnicities...

as the hip hop was thumping i thought about the cultural wealth that is black people in the united states. i thought about how fucking proud we should be to have something that is so unique and contributive to who our society is. the poets, the musicians, the political thinkers...even here in america whether you're a cold blooded racist or a fucking hippy chances are, you (like everyone else) have a particular fascination with what black people come up with, who they are, what they say, the things they do...chances are you pay attention.

so what i'm trying to say is, are people from other countries who come here, do they have an interest to see and experience black culture...do they want to see it as much as i wanted to see unique cultures in south east asia?

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Jan 23 2005 1:31PM
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Bob_Loblaw
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Well right now, the 'black culture' seems to be the mainstream culture and marketed it and made it suck. The more underground cultures are what would be more fascinating. Like rap in the early 80s. that's where you find the best musicians, poets, etc. And since it's underground, you wouldnt see it in travel brochures. Once it gets exploited, it loses all it's creativity. it becomes a tool for corporate gain, pretty much.



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Jan 23 2005 1:39PM
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j.bird
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I think the Tribes, and societies mentioned on your trip, are different because they are original. They have been around forever, and they are sticking to a culture. The rap culture hasnt been around for more than 25 years, but I would say it is a huge part of American's mainstream modern culture. So in actuality it is kinda hard to compare the 2. But yes it is, amazing at what some fo these men have become. Look at P. Diddy. Started some rinky dink label, and turned it into an empire, with clothes, music, restaurants, perfume, cologne, clubs, movies, and the list goes on. The same thing with Jay-Z. These guys have created something HUGE out of nothing, and that's something to be proud of.
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Jan 23 2005 1:41PM
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godisroland
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Sure I think there might be an interest among europeans and asians that like hip hop, but US ain't associated with ancient cultures besides the indians in europe. I would say Martin Luther King is as famous as JFK here.
Jan 23 2005 2:07PM
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alpinecowboy84
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no no no, i'm not talking about mtv black culture, i'm talking about real black culture. not to completely generalize but i'm talking about parts of the city or states that are populated by black people. not this mtv shit.

i guess i should state something first: you have to realize that black culture in america is COMPLETELY different to black people in other countries. all you have to do is go to london and take a look around, and thats why i'm asking the question. yes foreigners may see that shit on tv, but if they are reading a travel guide or some sort of culture expose that has any worth to it (which they generally do since they are often written by knowledgabel natives) then they are going to learn about the real black culture - and i would think that that would be of interest to them.


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Jan 23 2005 4:04PM
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we have phish and i am DAMN proud of them. thanks vermont.





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Jan 23 2005 4:09PM
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what?
Jan 23 2005 4:11PM
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alpinecowboy84
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^ sorry, i'll try to make more threads about kaka and faggots i beat up


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Jan 23 2005 4:16PM
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Ghost
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by real black culture he means eating grits and the dirty south?

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Jan 23 2005 5:35PM
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Jan 23 2005 6:31PM
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french_fry
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well american government has kind of tried to totally absorb the black ppl in the normal culture, so I consider black ppl as just regular americans, although I realise they have some of the greatest musicians or poets or writers ever. Maybe it would be contradictory to illustrate black ppl as a culture apart so I guess thats why the government never said anything about it.


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Jan 23 2005 6:46PM
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Anson
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for fuck sake, he means' people who would read a travel book, coming to america.
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Jan 23 2005 6:46PM
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alpinecowboy84
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i think what people aren't understanding as well is that while there is an american culture unique to our own country, there are massive sub cultures that work completely differently from one another.

i went to a high school that was half black and i'll tell you its a very different world, i don't want to 'other' or anything, but black people have very different norms and methods of living - of course within that there are subcultures as well.


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Jan 23 2005 8:09PM
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davidh
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I dont think most foreigners see it as 'black culture'. I think they see American culture, because that is what American culture is right now. The hill tribes in Thailand havent had much of a contribution to Thailand's mainstream culture because they are a small group who only moved here not too long ago to escape persecution in Cambodia. To me though, that foreigners see when they think of Thailand. The hill tribes in the north make me sad because it feels like we're making a freak show out of them. I dont know.
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