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What is the best one ski quiver?

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What's up NS, I am looking for the best ski to slay everything. I need something that can handle deeper snow/ side country, good switch handling, and does not suffer terribly on wind scoured snow/ park. This is a tall order for a setup, but I need skis that do not excel in one area. Rather, is capable of skiing all areas of the mountain.

Height- 6 feet
Weight- 215 lbs ( Weight training)
Boot Size- 28.5 cm
Typically Ski lengths close to 183 cm
Looking for waist width 105 to 115mm

Please recommend Skis, Thanks!
Mar 8 2016 12:49AM
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Move to Gear Talk if more appropriate.
Mar 8 2016 1:04AM
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skidemon22
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I'd put my money on either the Salomon Rocker2 100 or the K2 Shredditor 102, with maybe the line blend/ SFB in a solid 3rd place. the first two are both are a touch on the heavy side, which detracts from being good park/ jib skis, but everywhere else the rocker2 100 slays. I just got the 2017 model (claim) and had them up at Loon in some pretty vary conditions and they were sick. Also, id get them in a 186 for your size/build
Mar 8 2016 1:48AM
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skidemon22
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skidemon22I'd put my money on either the Salomon Rocker2 100 or the K2 Shredditor 102, with maybe the line blend/ SFB in a solid 3rd place. the first two are both are a touch on the heavy side, which detracts from being good park/ jib skis, but everywhere else the rocker2 100 slays. I just got the 2017 model (claim) and had them up at Loon in some pretty vary conditions and they were sick. Also, id get them in a 186 for your size/build


just saw that you were looking for a 105mm ski, so maybe look at the Rocker2 108, but just a FYI salomon is dropping that ski for next season... only keeping the 100. and if you are ok with 115mm underfoot, id also look at the Volkl One
Mar 8 2016 1:51AM
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freewillie
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skidemon22I'd put my money on either the Salomon Rocker2 100 or the K2 Shredditor 102, with maybe the line blend/ SFB in a solid 3rd place. the first two are both are a touch on the heavy side, which detracts from being good park/ jib skis, but everywhere else the rocker2 100 slays. I just got the 2017 model (claim) and had them up at Loon in some pretty vary conditions and they were sick. Also, id get them in a 186 for your size/build


+1 for SFBs
I have the 2015 model and it is the best ski I have ever ridden. Cant really recommend it based off of durability, but if you arn't too focused on jibs and stuff its a great option imo
Mar 8 2016 2:02AM
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skidemon22
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freewillie+1 for SFBs
I have the 2015 model and it is the best ski I have ever ridden. Cant really recommend it based off of durability, but if you arn't too focused on jibs and stuff its a great option imo


just a heads up, they did do a recent redesign of the SFB... Waist width is now 106mm and they made it stiffer. use to be soft and super playful and 108mm underfoot...
Mar 8 2016 2:20AM
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Armada ARV. Even more so now that they did the redesign. If I still got after it like I used to I'd pick up a pair of the new ones.
Mar 8 2016 2:30AM
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The Moment Deathwish, ON3P Kartel, and the Batalla All Mountain Twin are catching my eye right now. Not to bash on Line, but I haven't heard the best out of their durability. Salomon looks sick, but they flake out on information with the skis.
Mar 8 2016 2:38AM
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GregFlik
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CheeFThe Moment Deathwish, ON3P Kartel, and the Batalla All Mountain Twin are catching my eye right now. Not to bash on Line, but I haven't heard the best out of their durability. Salomon looks sick, but they flake out on information with the skis.


Regarding Line Durability I'll tell you that you get what you pay for. The Pricepoint ski of Line (A-Bangs) is obviously not going to hold up as well as SFBs. I can personally attest to the SFBs (2012-2013 or 2011-2012 model the white one with trees) and say there were my One Ski in the Quiver that I could always rely on and know what I was going to get out of it without having any durability issues, and I am a big guy.

I love these skis through and through and recommend it for what you are looking for.
Mar 8 2016 2:55AM
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Volkl Shiros are pretty bad ass if you want that extra fatness but something still shredding well all round. 118 underfoot is pretty fat though you can rip something about 10cm skinnier and be fine.

Good enough ski on chop and groomers that I didn't bother packing another ski for my 16 day Tahoe trip tho. Tomorrow Im gonna shred the fuck outta Squaw on my babies :).
Mar 8 2016 3:56AM
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Static
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Head made skis which you could step into backwards to ski powder better, maybe the OG mad trix? I can't remember the name.
Mar 8 2016 5:57AM
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galardogod
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I currently ski the Armada ARVTi and it works pretty damn well but i live on the east coast and the waist on these skis is 98 so they maybe to skinny for you.
Mar 8 2016 6:57AM
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soulskier
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You're making me reminisce to the days of the Pocket Rocket
Mar 8 2016 8:13AM
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freewillie
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skidemon22just a heads up, they did do a recent redesign of the SFB... Waist width is now 106mm and they made it stiffer. use to be soft and super playful and 108mm underfoot...


Yeah
kinda stoked about my 2015s...My brother has the 2011s (white background and trees420) on them and I am a little bummed about the redesign. Imo there was no need to make it more like an "all mountain" ski by making it skinnier or stiffer...idk if that was the goal but I dont think it was necessary. We all liked it at 107-110 underfoot and a little playful.
Mar 8 2016 9:04AM
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danbrown
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StaticHead made skis which you could step into backwards to ski powder better, maybe the OG mad trix? I can't remember the name.


yeah the binding was called the mad trix system, it could turn 180 degrees depending on whether you wanted it mounted back or center. it also weighed about 20 lbs.

Mar 8 2016 10:27AM
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KravtZ
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Just started riding a 109 underfoot pow ski a loooot more everyday now. So much fun can rip all conditions including park much better than I thought. For the west coast would be such a good everyday one ski quiver size.

you get used to the wider ski quite fast especially if your a strong skier
Mar 8 2016 10:29AM
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GregFlik
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KravtZJust started riding a 109 underfoot pow ski a loooot more everyday now. So much fun can rip all conditions including park much better than I thought. For the west coast would be such a good everyday one ski quiver size.

you get used to the wider ski quite fast especially if your a strong skier


I will also attest to this! I have been running a 185 Volkl Chopstick with Rossi/Axial 12 Demo Bindings and they are amazing. The Underfoot is 128 (Or 126, I think 128 though) and they are the most fun I've had all season "Big Ski" wise.

I was coming from my 184 SFBs with the Jester Schizo and honestly the Chopstick is more "fun" to me. They came to me mounted at -1cm but being symmetrical I haven't noticed anything bad about it being -1cm mounted.

Also what is fun about the Chopsticks is that the full Rocker that is seen on the skis does add much more fun for me. They are easily the most buttery ski I have ever skied on and I will attest that if you enjoy edges/riding on the edges of skis these wouldn't be for you. They have more of a Boat shape with the belly protruding ever so slightly. The only contact points as well for the Chopsticks is maybe 5cm infront and behind the bindings so the rest of the ski is "free floating" due to the full rocker.

I love them for Michigan fresh snow and are overall just a super fun ski. The downside of the chopsticks that I've noticed is that the Top sheet chips away more so than most skis, but the bases and edges are more than superb. Also if you are doing hardpack/groomers you will have chatter on them since they are still full rocker and the tips have nothing to lay on.

In park they are nice, but you have to account for the swing weight unless you are just hitting boxes and jumps with maybe a grab you'll be fine.

All in all if you are just getting into "Big skis" you won't have to worry about the learning curve. You seem like a big guy and you are looking for most things I normally do. SFBs and Volkl Chopsticks have done me no wrong and Would recommend them 100% for what you are looking for.
Mar 8 2016 10:49AM
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Plus one for the SFB's. Absolutely love mine. I would look for last years model with the mountain on them over the new redesign. Also, the Kartel 106 would be super tight if you don't mind spending a pretty penny. I just couldn't afford them! Go with the 184 in the Bacons or the 186 in the Kartels
Mar 8 2016 11:05AM
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Also, ON3P will have a 116 Kartel if you would rather go on the upper end of your range than the lower end.
Mar 8 2016 11:06AM
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Lbird
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I would definitely go for the ON3P kartels, either this year's 106, or the 108 they're coming out with next year. They're super fun as well as durable, stiff enough to charge big lines, but with enough rocker to be buttery when you need it.
Mar 8 2016 11:31AM
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e.littt
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JVacationJust check out Ahmet's brother's promodel. If you check his insta he uses it for basically everything. its 135 - 106 - 124. And it looks so sweet!

https://jskis.com/collections/vacation/products/ahmets-brother
Mar 8 2016 5:42PM
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QuinnBestwick
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I'm really trying to buy a candide 3.0 as my do it all ski. I've heard really good things about them. Pretty expensive though.
Mar 8 2016 9:58PM
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csteezy
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4frnt devastator
Mar 8 2016 10:12PM
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japanada
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I love my 4frnt HOJIs, not exactly a switch machine, but they certainly will hold their own. The 4frnt devastators would be more of a jibby charger ski too! Youre a big guy and I would personally stay away from the shreditors and some of the lines. IMO they are too soft to charge hard in mankey conditions esp at your size.
Mar 8 2016 10:28PM
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Hodor
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ICELANTIC NOMAD RKR! I am in love with these skis. I am 180 6'1" and ride the 191s mounted +3 and they are beyond amazing everywhere. Just buy them. you will not regret it.

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j skis metal
Mar 9 2016 1:19AM
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Beast.coast
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DPS spoon is what you're looking for
Mar 9 2016 10:09PM
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sammy_JJ
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based on everything you said the Candide 3.0 in a 186 sounds ideal. Suck up the cost if you are riding it as a single ski quiver. Buying one set up is a lot cheaper than having multiple pairs of skis.
Mar 10 2016 12:15AM
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elm.
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shreditors or lines will be too soft for you because of your weight. a pow ski can easily ski the park, especially if you don't put on a touring binding. 115 is $ imo
Mar 10 2016 12:35AM
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The 184cm Faction Candide 2.0 looks really awesome. Symmetrical sidecut, 102 underfoot, 18m radius, rocker. It looks like it would be great for center mounted, trick oriented, all mountain shredding. I really want to try them. I foresee myself getting a pair next year.
Mar 10 2016 12:43AM
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CheeFThe Moment Deathwish, ON3P Kartel, and the Batalla All Mountain Twin are catching my eye right now. Not to bash on Line, but I haven't heard the best out of their durability. Salomon looks sick, but they flake out on information with the skis.


FACTION 2.0

It's a life changing ski!
Mar 10 2016 5:32AM
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KravtZ
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elm.shreditors or lines will be too soft for you because of your weight. a pow ski can easily ski the park, especially if you don't put on a touring binding. 115 is $ imo


I think the shredditor is the most over rated ski on the market today.

Its so soft, has no feel, doesnt do any 1 thing particularly well. Just cannot see the hype behind it. Than again k2 hasn't made for the most part a good ski in years
Mar 10 2016 8:24AM
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.lencon
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Kartel 106/108 for sure.
Mar 10 2016 12:43PM
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ReetsAdeets
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KravtZI think the shredditor is the most over rated ski on the market today.

Its so soft, has no feel, doesnt do any 1 thing particularly well. Just cannot see the hype behind it. Than again k2 hasn't made for the most part a good ski in years


Gotta jump in here to defend my Shreditor 112's. I have skied quite a few different skis but really like these ones. The tips and tails are pretty soft and I think this feels exaggerated by the steep rocker, but it does make them fun and easy to butter. Underfoot though they are stiff, and I feel very comfortable going fast on them. Mine are mounted at 4.5cm back from center so this might help. The other day I had them out on some fresh corduroy in like 34* weather and had a blast - each turn they carved tenches as tight as I could hold the turn. I've always loved the early taper/reverse sidecut concept that they have too, having grown up waterskiing more than snowskiing as a kid...I think just makes the skis turn so much nicer in fresh snow. My skinnier skis recently broke, so I have taken the Shreditors on a number of park laps too, and I have to say they have worked great for mellow rail and jump tricks. All of this being said, I think that the 102's would be a better all round ski.

OP, anything 95-110mm at the waist, give or take a few cm, that is pretty stiff and has camber underfoot, with early rise in the tips and tails, and is 185-195cm long or so (the early rise/rocker makes them ski shorter because the contact points are closer and theres less ski on the snow) will work well. Like I said above I really like early taper/reverse sidecut, but that's my preference and many skis that don't have this are great. If you're skiing park a fair amount, consider the thickness of the edges and the general reputation of the skis durability too.
The next ski I plan to buy is the Amplid Rockwell. This has everything I mentioned above, and was very fun to ski the time I demoed it years ago, you should check it out in the larger size. A number of my friends have older Armada TST's and JJ's, and all of them love those for all mountain skis as well. I think the Shreditor 102's, 112's, Line Opus, or Salomon Rocker 2 108's would be good options for you too, but really all the brands make something pretty close to what you're looking for, so I would find a few you're interested in and go from there based on specifics of the ski (turn radius, camber/rocker profile, flex, sidecut, sidewall type, edges, price, brands reputation for durability/warranty, graphics, etc.)
Mar 10 2016 1:16PM
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SudsySaves
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ON3P Jeffery 114 is a killer travel ski. With a frame binding or Beasts it's about as versatile as you could want. Yeah it's kinda heavy on the up and a little hefty for the park, but it's as happy jibbing around in deep pow as it is charging through steep crud and hardpack. If you want more park or hardpack performance go with the Kartel 106/8, but in my book a one ski quiver has to be awesome in the pow and the 114 has never let me down.

Also, if you get the Grizzlycorn topsheet you will literally never be unhappy ever again.
Mar 10 2016 4:12PM
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Having skied most of the 2016/2017 100-110mm twin tips I would say the top are pretty clearly (in no particular order):

1. ON3P Kartel 108 - this is what I will get as my one ski do most for next year.
2. Armada ARV 106 - too bad the graphics suck balls. quick to change direction, comes alive in micro terrain.
3. Faction 3.0 (108mm) - really light under foot, still edges well. Lowest swing weight
4. Blizzard Peacemaker - best carving ski of the bunch. Stable both switch and forward. really nice smooth glassy feel.
Mar 11 2016 10:57AM
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SofaKingSick
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cobra_commanderHaving skied most of the 2016/2017 100-110mm twin tips I would say the top are pretty clearly (in no particular order):

1. ON3P Kartel 108 - this is what I will get as my one ski do most for next year.
2. Armada ARV 106 - too bad the graphics suck balls. quick to change direction, comes alive in micro terrain.
3. Faction 3.0 (108mm) - really light under foot, still edges well. Lowest swing weight
4. Blizzard Peacemaker - best carving ski of the bunch. Stable both switch and forward. really nice smooth glassy feel.


okay so im a huge fan on the ARV, used a pair for literally everything for years.. but always wished it was stiffer and had early rise. ta-da, here came the ARVti.

is the new ARV sorta a split between the two? or is it as soft as the last few seasons of regular ARVs?

thanks
Mar 11 2016 2:07PM
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CheeFThe Moment Deathwish


This right here is what you want, absolute beast in every conditions. Oh, it's dumping in Tahoe? Deathwish. It hasn't snowed in three weeks? Deathwish. Spring time hot laps down the face? Deathwish. Triple Camber is your new best friend.
Mar 11 2016 2:52PM
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Titsandwich11okay so im a huge fan on the ARV, used a pair for literally everything for years.. but always wished it was stiffer and had early rise. ta-da, here came the ARVti.

is the new ARV sorta a split between the two? or is it as soft as the last few seasons of regular ARVs?

thanks


I think so. I didn't find it to be overly soft. Don't have enough time on the old ARVs to comment, but the ARV106 defiantly does not have the full on guts of the ARVti, which is a killer ski. More freestyle oriented skiers will appreciate the new ski.

I am going K108 over ARV106 due to its stiffer, damp yet somehow still poppy ON3P black magic flex pattern. I also really didn't like the new ARV graphics. Both are great skis for sure.
Mar 11 2016 5:58PM
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hot.pocketThis right here is what you want, absolute beast in every conditions. Oh, it's dumping in Tahoe? Deathwish. It hasn't snowed in three weeks? Deathwish. Spring time hot laps down the face? Deathwish. Triple Camber is your new best friend.


So, do you work for moment ?
Mar 13 2016 3:07PM
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cobra_commander
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hot.pocketThis right here is what you want, absolute beast in every conditions. Oh, it's dumping in Tahoe? Deathwish. It hasn't snowed in three weeks? Deathwish. Spring time hot laps down the face? Deathwish. Triple Camber is your new best friend.


Tipple mustache whatever dumbness doesn't make the ski any narrower, just catchy. Anything over 110 is pretty damn wide for an everyday ski. PB&J makes a lot more sense if you still need to toot your own horn.
Mar 13 2016 6:41PM
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stinky_cheese
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it's probably been said already in this thread, but 4frnt devastators for sure

They handle every condition i've encountered with ease. I've demoed other skis and by the time I'm done with them and get back on my devastators, i realize how much better they are than any other ski I've been on for various conditions
Mar 14 2016 12:07AM
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cobra_commanderI think so. I didn't find it to be overly soft. Don't have enough time on the old ARVs to comment, but the ARV106 defiantly does not have the full on guts of the ARVti, which is a killer ski. More freestyle oriented skiers will appreciate the new ski.

I am going K108 over ARV106 due to its stiffer, damp yet somehow still poppy ON3P black magic flex pattern. I also really didn't like the new ARV graphics. Both are great skis for sure.


hmm, interesting. those two will def be top contenders next time i get a ski. guess ill need to do some demoing if possible

hey, one more question. any experience on the gotama (which they discontinued for some stupid reason), to compare to the two above skis?

either thanks for the answers
Mar 14 2016 11:42AM
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Deepskier
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Rossignol slat is 97 Underfott might be to slim for yo so maybe kartel 108 or ARv 106
Mar 14 2016 8:15PM
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.CJ.
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Kitten Factory LayzerBlaydz, they're very similar to the ON3P Kartel's but slightly cheaper
Mar 14 2016 8:22PM
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DropsFlint
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I have the K2 Shreditor 102's at 170 and I love them, but I'm 5'10 150. You might find them a bit noodly.
Mar 17 2016 3:30AM
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Outoftowner
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Salomon Rocker 2 108 if you want something a bit more playful

Atomic Automatic 109 if you're trying to ski the full mountain in all conditions.
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