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Prohibiting Inverted Aerials

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bzmenkowski
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Recently I was at Holiday Valley where I was unaware that inverted aerials were prohibited in their terrain parks. Long story short I threw a back flip off of a jump in one of the parks and almost got my ticket clipped by the safety patrol. After explaining that I was used to skiing at mountains where that was perfectly okay and a lot of people throw flips, he settled on just lecturing me about how it was okay to do "horizontal rotations" but that I was "not allowed to go completely upside-down". For one this showed how out of touch these people were with park skiing, but it also got me thinking. Why are there mountains that draw the line at inverted tricks? Skiing is obviously a dangerous sport and I feel like throwing anything progressive in the park is taking a risk. However, beginners even straight airing a jump can be even more high risk than an experienced skier throwing an invert.

That being said I want to know if people think that there is any justification behind prohibiting inverts or if it's just commercial mountains being extremely out of touch with the mindset of freestyle skiing.
Mar 7 2016 9:08PM
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murphyboiiii
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look on the back of the lift ticket, if it says "i assume all the risks of skiing and winter sports in general" or something in that ballpark, it just means that the people that run the place a chussies and don't realize that chucking a front flip is something lots of people can do
Mar 7 2016 9:13PM
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Bmo.
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NY liability insurance. thats why
Mar 7 2016 9:37PM
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270on420out
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My friend got banned from Holimont for backflipping. My other friend got his poles taken at HV cause he didn't have baskets on them. Why is NY full of pussies?
Mar 7 2016 9:45PM
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Lonely
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What is it with ski patrol and yellow jackets at all these places? Come to Michigan. We got the shittiest hills but the chillest patrol and crews
Mar 7 2016 9:47PM
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bzmenkowski
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Yea I usually ski at Seven Springs where the park crew and most of the rest of the staff is pretty chill for the most part. I definitely don't take that for granted now after seeing how ridiculous some other places have it.
Mar 7 2016 9:58PM
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The.Fish
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THEDIRTYBUBBLEMy friend got banned from Holimont for backflipping. My other friend got his poles taken at HV cause he didn't have baskets on them. Why is NY full of pussies?


Ok having no baskets is ridiculous. That makes less sense than not being allowed the ski without poles.
Mar 7 2016 10:15PM
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Chris.B
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The.FishOk having no baskets is ridiculous. That makes less sense than not being allowed the ski without poles.

A bristol mountain ski patroller told my friend that if he crashed into someone the pole would stab all the way through them. I think they have the rule to make people buy baskets from their shop.
Mar 7 2016 10:24PM
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*JP
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the no invert rule is statewide. you can still do them, a ton of people still do, you just gotta watch out for ski patrol and yellow jackets. As for the whole out of touch thing, its the management thats out of touch. they limit the stuff park crew can set up and freak out for dumb stuff. There is a pretty decent skiing community at holiday valley though, theres around 20-25 regular park skiers that are pretty good.
Mar 7 2016 11:27PM
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.egg
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Same thing happened to me at my local hill this season in Ottawa. Ski patrol was going to take my pass but in the end he gave me a warning. The guy actually told me that backflips were dangerous and inverted aerials were banned cause if I didn't land it, my ski could pop off in the air and hit someone who's skiing next to the jump....
Mar 7 2016 11:42PM
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edai
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Same deal at my mountain in Connecticut
Mar 7 2016 11:51PM
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Mingg
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hahahahahahaha. I am not surprised at all. Holiday Valley yellow jackets are so shit.
Mar 8 2016 12:47AM
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Mingg
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THEDIRTYBUBBLEMy friend got banned from Holimont for backflipping. My other friend got his poles taken at HV cause he didn't have baskets on them. Why is NY full of pussies?


The.FishOk having no baskets is ridiculous. That makes less sense than not being allowed the ski without poles.


It's a safety hazard. When I worked as a lifty we would get absolutely fucked if we saw that and allowed it. The logic behind it is that poles are pointy and if poles have a basket then they can't stab you very deeply, but without them you can stab quite far. It's for both your safety and others. Odds of you actually impaling yourself with a pole is low but yeah. That's the reason.
Mar 8 2016 1:10AM
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BAYKUR
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eggplantSame thing happened to me at my local hill this season in Ottawa. Ski patrol was going to take my pass but in the end he gave me a warning. The guy actually told me that backflips were dangerous and inverted aerials were banned cause if I didn't land it, my ski could pop off in the air and hit someone who's skiing next to the jump....
which hill? ive never had a problem anywhere ive skied in the area
Mar 8 2016 3:17AM
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.egg
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BAYKURwhich hill? ive never had a problem anywhere ive skied in the area


Calabogie, It might be just Ontario that it's a big deal. At Fortune or Edelweiss I've never had a problem either.
Mar 8 2016 7:12AM
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soulskier
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LonelyWhat is it with ski patrol and yellow jackets at all these places? Come to Michigan. We got the shittiest hills but the chillest patrol and crews


This all day long
Mar 8 2016 8:07AM
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The.Fish
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Chris.BA bristol mountain ski patroller told my friend that if he crashed into someone the pole would stab all the way through them. I think they have the rule to make people buy baskets from their shop.


Lol plastic baskets would snap if you hit somebody hard enough to impale them.
Mar 8 2016 8:26AM
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skitheleast
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eggplantCalabogie, It might be just Ontario that it's a big deal. At Fortune or Edelweiss I've never had a problem either.


Weird. I don't know of anyone who has gotten in trouble there.
Mar 8 2016 8:43AM
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skitheleast
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eggplantCalabogie, It might be just Ontario that it's a big deal. At Fortune or Edelweiss I've never had a problem either.


Weird. I don't know of anyone who has gotten in trouble there.
Mar 8 2016 8:43AM
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KravtZ
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This usually only happens at small crappy east coast mountains. In VT/up north or out west people including ski patrol 99% of the time are stoked when people throw flips
Mar 8 2016 9:19AM
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bgeskior
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The.FishLol plastic baskets would snap if you hit somebody hard enough to impale them.


I broke a pole on my chest once (pointy side up). I seriously doubt it could penetrate a jacket and 3" of body to make it to the basket haha
Mar 8 2016 10:22AM
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-Colton
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Glen Eden encourages flips n shit... just mind yar noggen
Mar 8 2016 10:25AM
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BCski95
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A couple of months ago I learned rodeos and did about 3 of them before a ski patrol saw me and I was greeted by like six of them on the top of the hill to yell at me. They were telling me that if kids see us doing it that they will go and try it themselves and they gave me an example that one time some kid saw the X Games and thought that hitting a jump was easy and just hit one and had to be taken away in an ambulance for hurting himself just hitting the jump. At my mountain in CT, its always the people that don't know what they are doing that get hurt in the park and they don't seem to understand that most of the time if we are doing flips, we know what we are doing and are pretty safe about it. I just got a warning but they said because of me the next person to invert is getting kicked out.
Mar 8 2016 12:01PM
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theabortionator
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It goes back to the old days. People weren't really throwing 5-s and 7's, and rails didn't really exist. People going inverted was seen as a massive risk if done outside of the water ramps and aerial training programs.

This is the days of the snowboard leash laws, and snowboard only terrain parks though. So really the absurd days where it was fun as hell, but some of the rules were hilariously out of touch with reality.

Don't read too much into it.

Two of the mtns I worked at years ago had this rule. I did them anyway and got in trouble a few times. But whatever.



I'm not rolling through the park looking like this, so I'm not going to follow your rules from 1985. Sorry guys.
Mar 8 2016 12:14PM
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theabortionator
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*JPthe no invert rule is statewide. you can still do them, a ton of people still do, you just gotta watch out for ski patrol and yellow jackets. As for the whole out of touch thing, its the management thats out of touch. they limit the stuff park crew can set up and freak out for dumb stuff. There is a pretty decent skiing community at holiday valley though, theres around 20-25 regular park skiers that are pretty good.




That's a wives tale. Total bullshit. If a patroller tells you that, tell them to fuck off with their lies.
Mar 8 2016 12:17PM
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Skier_75
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BCski95A couple of months ago I learned rodeos and did about 3 of them before a ski patrol saw me and I was greeted by like six of them on the top of the hill to yell at me. They were telling me that if kids see us doing it that they will go and try it themselves and they gave me an example that one time some kid saw the X Games and thought that hitting a jump was easy and just hit one and had to be taken away in an ambulance for hurting himself just hitting the jump. At my mountain in CT, its always the people that don't know what they are doing that get hurt in the park and they don't seem to understand that most of the time if we are doing flips, we know what we are doing and are pretty safe about it. I just got a warning but they said because of me the next person to invert is getting kicked out.

Lmao that's ridiculous
Mar 8 2016 9:41PM
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gnar_whal
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Same thing at my hill, I think many midwest areas have the same rule
Mar 8 2016 9:48PM
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theabortionator
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murphyboiiiilook on the back of the lift ticket, if it says "i assume all the risks of skiing and winter sports in general" or something in that ballpark, it just means that the people that run the place a chussies and don't realize that chucking a front flip is something lots of people can do


That doesn't go very far in a courtroom unfortunately.
Mar 8 2016 9:51PM
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safety.third
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brz16he settled on just lecturing me about how it was okay to do "horizontal rotations" but that I was "not allowed to go completely upside-down". \\


Rotating on a horizontal axis would send you inverted
Mar 8 2016 9:53PM
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Gherbs
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ebotdzRotating on a horizontal axis would send you inverted


uh..... no?
Mar 8 2016 10:16PM
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chuckmarty
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ebotdzRotating on a horizontal axis would send you inverted


Doing a horizontal rotation and rotating on a horizontal axis aren't the same. A horizontal rotation is performed by rotating along the vertical axis. Doing a vertical rotation is done by rotating on the horizontal axis.
Think about foosball. The little foos dudes are controlled by a horizontal bar (axis). Spinning the horizontal bar causes them to do a vertical rotation (become inverted).
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Hope that clears things up here.

Anyway, people should be allowed to do whatever they want in the park so long as they aren't wrecking the place up or putting anyone else in danger.
Mar 9 2016 12:09AM
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tdollo
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Almost got my pass taken for doing cork 7 at my hill. Told them it wasn't upside down but they didn't seem to care
Mar 9 2016 8:46AM
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Criloh
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Mingghahahahahahaha. I am not surprised at all. Holiday Valley yellow jackets are so shit.


at least you wont get in trouble for a backflip
Mar 9 2016 9:38AM
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elcornholio
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When I was there for a competition I got yelled at for doing one and had to explain that I am literally qualified by ussa to do so (which should be unnecessary).
Mar 9 2016 9:41AM
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CarsonDaSkier
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brz16Recently I was at Holiday Valley where I was unaware that inverted aerials were prohibited in their terrain parks. Long story short I threw a back flip off of a jump in one of the parks and almost got my ticket clipped by the safety patrol. After explaining that I was used to skiing at mountains where that was perfectly okay and a lot of people throw flips, he settled on just lecturing me about how it was okay to do "horizontal rotations" but that I was "not allowed to go completely upside-down". For one this showed how out of touch these people were with park skiing, but it also got me thinking. Why are there mountains that draw the line at inverted tricks? Skiing is obviously a dangerous sport and I feel like throwing anything progressive in the park is taking a risk. However, beginners even straight airing a jump can be even more high risk than an experienced skier throwing an invert.

That being said I want to know if people think that there is any justification behind prohibiting inverts or if it's just commercial mountains being extremely out of touch with the mindset of freestyle skiing.


This is complete bs. My home mountain prohibits them, and i almost got kicked out for the year. They dont want us to be good skiers
Mar 9 2016 9:49AM
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The.Fish
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*JPthe no invert rule is statewide. you can still do them, a ton of people still do, you just gotta watch out for ski patrol and yellow jackets. As for the whole out of touch thing, its the management thats out of touch. they limit the stuff park crew can set up and freak out for dumb stuff. There is a pretty decent skiing community at holiday valley though, theres around 20-25 regular park skiers that are pretty good.


Pknpk allows inverts im pretty sure
Mar 9 2016 1:10PM
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Mingg
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Crilohat least you wont get in trouble for a backflip


Anddddddd the fuckboy count raises to 104.



I will admit, 104 backie jokes in two weeks is impressive but nevertheless it's getting really fucking old.
Mar 9 2016 1:29PM
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Rennis_Deynolds
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chuckmartyDoing a horizontal rotation and rotating on a horizontal axis aren't the same. A horizontal rotation is performed by rotating along the vertical axis. Doing a vertical rotation is done by rotating on the horizontal axis.
Think about foosball. The little foos dudes are controlled by a horizontal bar (axis). Spinning the horizontal bar causes them to do a vertical rotation (become inverted).
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thanks that really cleared things up for me
















fukin nerd
Mar 9 2016 4:52PM
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liamrashotte
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eggplantSame thing happened to me at my local hill this season in Ottawa. Ski patrol was going to take my pass but in the end he gave me a warning. The guy actually told me that backflips were dangerous and inverted aerials were banned cause if I didn't land it, my ski could pop off in the air and hit someone who's skiing next to the jump....
lol all the patrol in Ottawa are a joke honestly
Mar 9 2016 4:58PM
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MARCOOO
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Dude shit like this gets me so triggered. Saw some snowboarder kid getting yelled at by the shitty yellow jackets for doing a sick cork 7, he ended up getting his pass pulled. My friends and I have yet to get caught, but it's so stupid that you have to worry about this. It also doesn't help that ski patrol seems to have a giant pole up their ass about everything for some reason.
Mar 9 2016 6:02PM
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SteadySpaghetti
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at my mountain they "don't recommend inverted aerials" but one day the park guy built a hip for backflips and an awkward ski patrol guy skied onto the park where everyone was hiking up to and just waited for someone to go but no one did until he skied down, through the park, with his retro sun glasses and his directional skis, pole-planting away as people yelled "DO A BACKFLIP"

I don't get what he could have said because there is no "no upside down" rule its just not "recommended" so whatever

pretty funny situation though
Mar 9 2016 7:18PM
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Ricky420
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Dennis_Reynoldsthanks that really cleared things up for















fukin nerd


Get fulltilts and you will calm down
Mar 9 2016 8:22PM
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fries
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MinggIt's a safety hazard. When I worked as a lifty we would get absolutely fucked if we saw that and allowed it. The logic behind it is that poles are pointy and if poles have a basket then they can't stab you very deeply, but without them you can stab quite far. It's for both your safety and others. Odds of you actually impaling yourself with a pole is low but yeah. That's the reason.


yikes I was skiing without a basket on one of my poles for a while. I know it not a big deal but I never thought of that o_0
Mar 9 2016 8:28PM
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