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First proper touring ski

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Willows
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Well rounded skier skiing a little park now and then, but mostly just seeking out soft snow in the resort.

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Candide 2.0 with atomic sth (178)
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Mar 3 2016 11:48AM
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Willows
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I don't know why this is not showing up as it should...

Well rounded skier skiing a little park now and then, but mostly just seeking out soft snow in the resort.

Currently on
Candide 2.0 with atomic sth (178) too short
Line Sickday 110 marker griffons (186) just right

I'm going to Japan and I need skis for the fluffaduff

I'm 150lbs and 6'1" (inb4 "omg eat something yadayada")

I have been looking at faction 3.0 and Line Magnum opus, but I'm sure you guys have something for me to look at...

What bindings should I get?

I also need new boots so is it worth trying tech boots and bindings if I really want to get into the backcountry touring thing?
Mar 3 2016 11:50AM
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Zypher
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i know nothing about touring but im pretty sure that both of those skis would be considered "heavy" to be a touring ski.
Mar 3 2016 12:39PM
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NigelStein
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Neither of those are really a proper touring ski. The CT 3.0s will be better (1850g) but still not really an actual touring ski. If you're really gonna try and get into touring than pin-tech is the only way to go. You won't be able to push them like you would a Pivot or an STH but you're getting such better performance and weight on the up. The Kingpins would be a good call if you go pin-tech, they've gotten good reviews in regards to power transmission and don't have that signature pin feel (from what I've been told, no actual experience with them). If you wanted a fat touring ski look at the Moment Exit World.
Mar 3 2016 1:25PM
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Willows
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NigelSteinNeither of those are really a proper touring ski. The CT 3.0s will be better (1850g) but still not really an actual touring ski. If you're really gonna try and get into touring than pin-tech is the only way to go. You won't be able to push them like you would a Pivot or an STH but you're getting such better performance and weight on the up. The Kingpins would be a good call if you go pin-tech, they've gotten good reviews in regards to power transmission and don't have that signature pin feel (from what I've been told, no actual experience with them). If you wanted a fat touring ski look at the Moment Exit World.


Thank you what length should I go with, with all that rocker?
Mar 3 2016 2:22PM
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NigelStein
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For which ski? Candides or Exit World?
Mar 3 2016 2:36PM
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Mr.Penguin
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So are you looking for a powder ski for japan or are your looking for a touring ski to actually get out and get after it?

Do you have any experience in the back country? Have you taken any avalanche classes? If the answer to either of those questions no it's highly advisable to find a guide or a well trained friend(s) to take you out for a day or two before investing in a tech setup. The backcountry is not for everyone, and it'd be a waste of money to invest thousands into a tech set up for nothing.
Mar 3 2016 2:38PM
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Willows
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Mr.PenguinSo are you looking for a powder ski for japan or are your looking for a touring ski to actually get out and get after it?

Do you have any experience in the back country? Have you taken any avalanche classes? If the answer to either of those questions no it's highly advisable to find a guide or a well trained friend(s) to take you out for a day or two before investing in a tech setup. The backcountry is not for everyone, and it'd be a waste of money to invest thousands into a tech set up for nothing.


Well both if that is possible:) First and foremost it should be a pow ski for japanese conditions. I definitely want a touring setup, but I'm not sure if I should start off with a full tech-setup or just something like a guardian binding. I will be going with guys that have been riding backcountry for years and I will pick up on everything that I can. I'm also going to have a avalanche course. You say it is not for everyone; what do you mean by that?
Mar 3 2016 2:47PM
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Willows
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NigelSteinFor which ski? Candides or Exit World?


Now that you ask... both :)

What are your experiences with the Moments?
Mar 3 2016 2:49PM
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NigelStein
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I have no experience with Moment personally. I wanted the Underworlds but realized I didn't need a wide-ish touring ski anymore. They're great skis, the construction is top notch from what I've seen. For the Underworlds I'd do 186 but honestly a touring ski is gonna be unweildy at that width for everyday touring. You're not gonna find untracked powder and perfect snow all the time. More often than not it's gonna be variable snow conditions so I wouldn't get a ski that can ski Japan snow comfortably and tour on the rest of the time. Not realistic expectations. I'd get a fat pow ski for Japan with Guardians or a frame binding if you need AT over there and then do a skinnier pin tech set up if you get into it.
Mar 3 2016 3:31PM
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Willows
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NigelSteinI have no experience with Moment personally. I wanted the Underworlds but realized I didn't need a wide-ish touring ski anymore. They're great skis, the construction is top notch from what I've seen. For the Underworlds I'd do 186 but honestly a touring ski is gonna be unweildy at that width for everyday touring. You're not gonna find untracked powder and perfect snow all the time. More often than not it's gonna be variable snow conditions so I wouldn't get a ski that can ski Japan snow comfortably and tour on the rest of the time. Not realistic expectations. I'd get a fat pow ski for Japan with Guardians or a frame binding if you need AT over there and then do a skinnier pin tech set up if you get into it.


Sounds like a game plan:) what would you recommend?

Is 3.0 wide enough for deep days?
Mar 3 2016 4:45PM
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NigelStein
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In Japan? No. I was just over there 2 weeks ago when they got 4-5' and I was pretty good on my Billy Goats but I'm 125lbs. So I'd go wider for you, something like 115-130 preferably in the wider range of that.
Mar 3 2016 4:51PM
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Willows
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NigelSteinIn Japan? No. I was just over there 2 weeks ago when they got 4-5' and I was pretty good on my Billy Goats but I'm 125lbs. So I'd go wider for you, something like 115-130 preferably in the wider range of that.


Do you know anything about the opus? or have you skied anything that you can recommend? never really tried moments or ON3P, but seems interesting for sure
Mar 3 2016 5:54PM
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NigelStein
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No experience on Opus and this is just me, not a comment about durability or performance, I just have an issue with my skis being made in China when I could support a smaller brand that's not owned by Jarden or Amer. That's not to say Line are bad skis, I haven't had much experience with them but I've heard good things about the Opus. If you were looking ON3P maybe a Jeffrey 122 or a Billy Goat. I know Moment brought back the OG Bibby too so that would be high on my list too I've heard that thing kills it. We need more info on what exactly you're looking for though
Mar 4 2016 1:40PM
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Willows
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NigelSteinNo experience on Opus and this is just me, not a comment about durability or performance, I just have an issue with my skis being made in China when I could support a smaller brand that's not owned by Jarden or Amer. That's not to say Line are bad skis, I haven't had much experience with them but I've heard good things about the Opus. If you were looking ON3P maybe a Jeffrey 122 or a Billy Goat. I know Moment brought back the OG Bibby too so that would be high on my list too I've heard that thing kills it. We need more info on what exactly you're looking for though


I'm looking for something playful, but stable. I would like something pretty freestyle oriented and something that is relatively durable. I live in Denmark so ON3Ps and Moments are a little hard to come by...
Mar 5 2016 3:32PM
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cydwhit
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First get educated on BC safety.

Then, maybe Mordecai? With Kingpins if you want to go tech.

Also, to all the weight weenies, light touring skis are sick, sure, but I think most people (and most NS'ers especially) won't benefit that much from shaving some grams. Get some skis you actually enjoy skiing, and then build the leg muscles to haul them uphill.

If you want to ski playfully a light ski won't help you that much. I had Ions on my Shreditor 112's for a month and it was incredibly fun, now I have them on my KF All mountain 105's and I'm still a huge fan, may also try to get some onto my Revision Subtractions so I have a tech jib ski.

All of that is countered by KF Tours Lite with Speed Turns for big, light and fast days of uphilling
Mar 5 2016 4:59PM
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sammy_JJ
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First off start with a boot and go to a boot fitter, Short list of boots to consider that are alpine and tech sole compatible for this current season: Technica Cochise, Dalbello lupo TI, K2 Pinnacle. There are also a couple from atomic and Saloman, (With most of these you will have to purchase tech soles for the boots.)

One of the better options for a touring pow ski are the DPS Wailer (Pure) is pricy though.
Faction 4.0 is a good option as well. (there are way to many skis out there that will work)

Bindings: Marker KingPin but if you want a traditional tech system go with the G3 ION

If you are new to skinning go with a High Traction skin its not as much glide as a alpinist skin but it is better when developing you skiing technique
Mar 8 2016 12:26AM
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