are there any Americans who would actually consider leaving your country if he wins?
will anyone's life actually change or is everyone just complaining for no reason.
either way, sucks to suck. your field of candidates is pretty terrible.
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CampeadorDefinitely, and this is why I have no problem supporting Toyota, I made a mistake there, I meant US companies that produce in the US, my Toyota truck is made in the US as well.
Hell, Toyota will end up being more American than Ford or Chevy the way things are going.
Brule.Trump is a fascist
THE_SWITCHProbably moving to scandinavia because FUCK AMERICAN POLITICS (NOT AMERICA IN GENERAL).
Campeador“It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless … I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.”
- George Orwell
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Whether or not you agree that Trump is a fascist is pointless. Because pretty much every point in fascism identifies with Trump, apart from controlled mass media. People seem to fail to understand the word fascist, I've seen people call the left facist for calling out sexism and racism. But let's be clear here fascism is an extreme authoritarian nationalistic form of government, that of which Trump is currently campaigning.
CampeadorPlease man, we've got back and forth on here enough to leave behind the bullshit blog sources from no-name social justice loons with pink hair.
That infograph is so pathetically simplistic and wrong, it's not even worth addressing (plus I have a feeling I've seen it before from you).
Here's an honest assessment of the meaning of "fascism" (or the meaninglessness of it) from an actual intellectual, and not a pseudo-intellectual blogger.
http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc
My point is that the word "fascist" has become meaningless, and as Orwell eloquently pointed out, has been reduced to nothing more substantive than "the level of a swearword".
S.J.WThose who forget history are doomed to repeat it. And with Guantanamo Bay violating all sorts of Human rights without intervention I can only imagine what Trump would do when he said he'd do worse things than waterboarding.
CampeadorPardon me while I care nothing for the "human rights" of muslim terrorists. Osama Bin Laden was found thanks to waterboarding.
If it were up to me I'd hook them up to a car battery after waterboarding them.
S.J.W
Whether or not you agree that Trump is a fascist is pointless. Because pretty much every point in fascism identifies with Trump, apart from controlled mass media. People seem to fail to understand the word fascist, I've seen people call the left facist for calling out sexism and racism. But let's be clear here fascism is an extreme authoritarian nationalistic form of government, that of which Trump is currently campaigning.
Brule.Trump kicks anyone out that protests against him. His rascist remarks have gotten a lot of angry, right-wing supporting white people riled up because of the things he's promising like the wall that he thinks Mexico should pay for (Mexico's economy is shit btw). He pretty much hates anyone that isn't white or Christian. He's even being supported by David Duke, the head of the KKK, and that subject is the only thing he's not quick to judge on other than when it comes to Mexicans, Muslims, and he even hates the Pope.
CampeadorPlease man, we've got back and forth on here enough to leave behind the bullshit blog sources from no-name social justice loons with pink hair.
That infograph is so pathetically simplistic and wrong, it's not even worth addressing (plus I have a feeling I've seen it before from you).
Here's an honest assessment of the meaning of "fascism" (or the meaninglessness of it) from an actual intellectual, and not a pseudo-intellectual blogger.
http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc
My point is that the word "fascist" has become meaningless, and as Orwell eloquently pointed out, has been reduced to nothing more substantive than "the level of a swearword".
spaceghostpurpNobody knows what trump will do if/when elected (personally I think he will win, not saying I support him). Many members of congress actually do support some of the things he believes in so I believe that they will work together and actually try to help america. Everybody who hates trump needs to get over themselves and actually read about what he stands for and actually see if they agree or not. A lot of people at my school do not even understand what he stands for but act like they hate him because everyone else does /end rant
Turd.FergusonWell if you actually read what he stood for you would want to distance yourself from him. He's a self-conscious lunatic that has no more business being in the White house than a circus clown.
KravtZIll take him anyday over one of the most corrupt liars to ever step food in the white house, or a self proclaimed socialist who wants to raise taxes on everyone for his free handout utopia.
Abu-BaghdadiBut then you also end up with cases like Australian David Hicks who was held in Guantanamo, tortured, etc and in 2015 was cleared by the US court of military commission's review. You also have inmates who haven't even been charged with anything, but still haven't been released. Or when you have 34 people cleared by the government as innocent but are still in guantanamo.
Not to mention gitmo was also deemed unconstitutional,where are all those republicans denouncing gitmo for not being constitutional?
But apart from that, if you allow yourself to fall to the level of terrorists with regards to human life, then what makes you any better than them? You are only as moral as your weakest link. That being gitmo, you can claim to be the country of freedom and liberty all you like, but as long as you have places like gitmo violating people's human rights then you are no better than terrorists.
Abu-BaghdadiAustralian David Hicks who was held in Guantanamo
CampeadorMuhammad Dawood
Granite_StateJesus youre delusional...
CampeadorOh poor old David Hicks (or is it Muhammad Dawood?), a turncoat Australian Muslim who was training with Taliban and al-Qaeda militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Or how about his extensive weapon training and believed in "sacrifice for Allah" according to his own words. He was cleared only because of legal snafus, the worst of lawyers hang around Gitmo like horse flies.
My only regret is that they didn't torture him more, or put a bullet in his head.
"Innocent" is a relative term, the fact remains that these people should be executed for being unrepentant enemy combatants, since most of them go back to their jihadist friends as soon as they're released. Like the former Gitmo detainee recently captured in Spain recruiting for ISIS.
What social justice loons like yourself want, because you have such a deep-seated hatred for Western culture, is to hamstring Western governments from being able to effectively fight against an enemy that plays by 7th century rules, using nonsense, non-existent concepts like "human rights" and a false sense of morality. Human rights are not absolute, the only right muslim terrorists have is to a swift death.
The only thing muslims understand is power.
Terrorists have no constitutional rights, I care little what any activist judge has to say on the matter. Maybe if muslim terrorists were targeting federal judges, their tune would change pretty quickly.
KravtZSick dude....give me a reason why you would vote for hilary or bernie over trump. I just don't get how people can support either. Trump isn't optimal obviously..but sure a hell of a lot better than the others
Granite_StateYou seem to be drinking the Trump coolaid. I dont want a reactionary, insecure man as President. That is a recipe for disaster.
Furthermore, he is not a great business man as everyone is led to believe. Aside from 4 bankrupted businesses he's had countless failures that lost him money. Huck adressed this point in the last page.
At least Bernie genuinely cares about the American people. I dont support all his policies and many dont even affect me (college, higher minimum wage) but he stands for something great. He plans to not let the richest control this country (they do) and continue to beat and batter the middle class (that hands down supports our economy).
And I hate Hillary, she is worse than Trump. But what about Kasich? Cruz? They seem far more grounded than Trump. Even Carson would have been decent if he didnt go full retard.
In the end youre supporting a man who doesnt have a clue what hes doing and thats scary.
Ps, I kinda like Trump, hes a funny guy and hes against PC which I fully stand behind. I just think he would ruin this country as President.
Granite_StateIm down for this. I mean according to Michael Moore these folks recieve as good if not better healthcare than many Americans. Fuck that, I know Gitmo is not a very nice place, but many there deserve what they get.
I am radical in that regard. More death penalty, less prisons. We just need a way to make it more cost effective. Its insane the amount of money spent to keep some of the sickest individuals alive for the rest of their lives.
And we should reduce penalties for non-violent crimes drastically. The amount of people in jail for marijuana, among other things, is insane. We could use all those wasted funds in other, more important areas like education and infrastructure. Invest in Americas future, not its fuckups.
Wow just got wayyyy of topic but oh well.
Granite_StateFurthermore, he is not a great business man as everyone is led to believe. Aside from 4 bankrupted businesses he's had countless failures that lost him money. Huck adressed this point in the last page.
Granite_StateYou seem to be drinking the Trump coolaid. I dont want a reactionary, insecure man as President. That is a recipe for disaster.
Furthermore, he is not a great business man as everyone is led to believe. Aside from 4 bankrupted businesses he's had countless failures that lost him money. Huck adressed this point in the last page.
At least Bernie genuinely cares about the American people. I dont support all his policies and many dont even affect me (college, higher minimum wage) but he stands for something great. He plans to not let the richest control this country (they do) and continue to beat and batter the middle class (that hands down supports our economy).
And I hate Hillary, she is worse than Trump. But what about Kasich? Cruz? They seem far more grounded than Trump. Even Carson would have been decent if he didnt go full retard.
In the end youre supporting a man who doesnt have a clue what hes doing and thats scary.
Ps, I kinda like Trump, hes a funny guy and hes against PC which I fully stand behind. I just think he would ruin this country as President.
.MASSHOLE.I fall in the same boat as you.
I think Trump as a character, a personality, is fucking fantastic, but only if he were an SNL character. I think he would ruin the country as a president and frankly think most of his proposals, at face value, are quite bad. Many of his complaints though ring true to me. Our country has become too PC in many aspects.
Same with Bernie. I think Bernie has his heart and ideas in the right place, but I cannot get behind his economic policies at face value. I fully support his idea to get money out of politics and I think that is a huge necessity, as is affordable college and healthcare. But a $15 minimum wage is drastically too high, but brings to light how bad behind it has gotten. Unfortunately, I don't agree with his methods to get to affordable college or healthcare.
What kills me with both of these candidates (and one of the few reasons I can't get behind either) is their desire to reinstate almost-protectionist policies when it comes to international trade. Yes, the TPP is a pretty poor proposal and NAFTA certainly had hurt some people, but on the whole, most free trade agreements are a good thing despite the painful short-term issues. Even the TPP has beneficial aspects (it makes trading "services" easier, it would decrease patent protection for pharmaceuticals, etc). By implementing these types of protectionist policies it will come to hurt the middle and lower class, as the cost of goods and even services will likely rise in tandem with wages or at an even greater rate.
I personally hope neither gets elected, but I hope their message is here to stay. American politics needs to change.
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CampeadorNext you'll argue how H1-B visas actually help the middle class too, give me a break.
When used correctly, yes. They do. Problem is they have been abused.
The concept of "free trade" has been morphed into "free-for-all trade", except for us of course. Free trade has become a bullshit concept, and should instead be what both Trump and Sanders have proposed as Fair Trade, where each nation has to play by a certain set of rules and within certain parameters. That means the threat of reciprocal tariffs (if China takes theirs down so should we) and protections for American business from blatant currency manipulation, which is essentially currency warfare.
No, what they want, by proxy, is an actual trade war. Economics is all about efficiency. You want more manufacturing in the US? Let us move away from what we are efficient at (growing corn and services). Let us be inefficient and suck at manufacturing jobs, something we moved away from decades ago. Let us also implement new robotics workers, minimizing the actual number of new jobs in these factories. Let us crush the small workers who cannot handle the increase in costs as both domestic and foreign products rise in price to combat the increased costs of production and tariffs. Want to export them? Tough luck, no one will buy them at the price you're selling them at.
Want to remove the immigrants too? Fine, lets lose 11m workers who can no longer consume the goods and services we produce because they're no longer here.
Also:
1.Explain to me how Ford plants and Carrier plants in Mexico make the American people better off.
Originally, they were cheaper. Now, they're not and that is why you are seeing Ford, Toyota, Chevy, etc. move factories back to the US.
2. Explain to me how having no tariffs on Chinese goods that get dumped on our shores, while our goods exported to them receive high tariffs, makes American people better off.
These tariffs will do nothing but raise the price for the American consumer. Do not think for a second the Chinese will not raise the prices to combat the tariffs. Christ, this is a two sided battle, it'd be a dick-swinging contest where only the consumer loses.
3. Explain to me why having open trade with nations that engage in currency warfare with the US, makes Americans better off.
Prove that we (the US) are experiencing currency warfare. We are fine. Thailand and Malaysia? Not so much.
4. Explain to me why dirt cheap, made-in-China, garbage at Wal-Mart (which enriches the Walton family), while Americans lose their jobs and have to rely on government assistance, makes Americans better off.
Those goods are "better" because of economies of scale. Find me an American worker that wants to sit in a factory all day making the cheap plastic shit you get from there. The Walton's are abusing the minimum wage system, it needs to be increased. I have said that.
5. Lastly, your defense of "free trade in services" is also an open defense of a massive expansion of the H1-B program and other visa programs. So, explain how forcing Disney IT workers, among many others, to train foreigners to do their jobs at half the wage makes Americans better off.
Abuse of the system. It needs to be curbed, not removed.
I used to be a big free trade proponent, but in its current state, it's a lie. It's one of the main drivers (among other factors) of wealth to the top 1% of wage earners, a symptom of an economy that relies primarily on consumption rather than investment and production.
No, it is a symptom of globalization. We are not a manufacturing country, nor will we ever be again. We lack both the infrastructure and competitive edge. Putting tariffs in place will only hurt the consumer.
This is basic economics.
.MASSHOLE.http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/trump-economy-217496
When both parties are shitting on the idea, you know it is bad.
.MASSHOLE.http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/trump-economy-217496
When both parties are shitting on the idea, you know it is bad.
CampeadorOh poor old David Hicks (or is it Muhammad Dawood?), a turncoat Australian Muslim who was training with Taliban and al-Qaeda militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Or how about his extensive weapon training and believed in "sacrifice for Allah" according to his own words. He was cleared only because of legal snafus, the worst of lawyers hang around Gitmo like horse flies.
My only regret is that they didn't torture him more, or put a bullet in his head.
"Innocent" is a relative term, the fact remains that these people should be executed for being unrepentant enemy combatants, since most of them go back to their jihadist friends as soon as they're released. Like the former Gitmo detainee recently captured in Spain recruiting for ISIS.
What social justice loons like yourself want, because you have such a deep-seated hatred for Western culture, is to hamstring Western governments from being able to effectively fight against an enemy that plays by 7th century rules, using nonsense, non-existent concepts like "human rights" and a false sense of morality. Human rights are not absolute, the only right muslim terrorists have is to a swift death.
The only thing muslims understand is power.
Terrorists have no constitutional rights, I care little what any activist judge has to say on the matter. Maybe if muslim terrorists were targeting federal judges, their tune would change pretty quickly.
CampeadorYour tendency to answer within someone's quote is irritating to say the least. Your arguments are simplistic and do not answer the questions. You tie up every fundamental flaw in free trade to "abuse", that is bullshit.
The economists that Politico quotes are absolutely full of shit. To think that the US is reaching "full employment" as it stands now, is so backwards, and just proves these ivory tower economists haven't got a clue. Also that deporting illegal immigrants (who are an overall net drain on the public treasury) would lead to recession is complete bullshit.
I am not saying that trade be eliminated, that is nonsense. However, it is completely backwards to have a situation where we accept all their junk, and we cannot export hardly at all to them, due to trade tariffs (which they seem to have no problem with) and currency manipulation that makes their exports cheaper, and our imports more expensive (on top of the added tariffs they put on). China has no cards to play, if we threaten a tariff, they have to comply with removing theirs or face complete collapse.
The United States is perfectly able to bring back and support certain sectors of manufacturing. Your argument related to Ford is nonsense, since they've recently announced that they will be building and expanding Ford plants in Mexico. It's backwards to take advantage of the US consumer economy, while spurning investment into that same economy. They should pay a price for that.
Abu-BaghdadiAlso, with regards to gitmo, what's stopping gitmo practices to be used in American prisons? It's a slippery slope if you disregard human rights and the constitution in favour of torture which really doesn't work.
CampeadorBig difference, Constitutional rights only apply to citizens and legal residents. It was for good reason that the Romans had different sets of justice and punishment for Roman citizens and non-citizens.
That being said, I believe that citizenship should be stripped of anyone that acts on allegiance to foreign terrorist organizations, including the Muslim Brotherhood. Once stripped of citizenship, I think Muslim terrorists can and should be tortured for useful information. Obviously I don't want that torture to include permanent, severe physical disfigurement, but enough to make life a living hell for them until they spill everything they know.
If the suffering of this subhuman filth can prevent the suffering and deaths of American citizens, then yes 100% I will say it is absolutely worth it. You talk about "human rights", but these people have renounced any right to even call themselves human.
Water-boarding led to Bin Laden, this is a fact. Or would you prefer he still be free?
.MASSHOLE.http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/us/politics/-trade-donald-trump-breaks-200-years-economic-orthodoxy-mercantilism.html
We have tried the tariffs. They frankly don't work. The payoffs are not worth it. Cost-benefit analysis. Basic economics.
Find me a single, well-respected economists who agrees that putting tariffs in place will benefit the people they are trying to protect. You won't. The only losers in trade wars are the consumers.
The Federal Reserve doesn't know what full employment is? Shit man, who the hell does then?!
Please, I asked for figures for a currency war involving the US. I haven't seen any, nor has a single piece yielded any evidence of one.
Alright, find me those sectors. Prove to me that there is manufacturing we can bring back that will help the economy as well as help the consumer.
And come on man, calling me out lack of economic knowledge while you have yet to provide a single shred of evidence beyond what Trump is saying?
CampeadorThe regressive leftists know no bounds in their hypocrisy.
The real left-wing fascists are in Chicago preventing a Donald Trump rally. These leftist safe-space children are the enemies of free speech.
I can only imagine the response if Trump supporters tried to shut down a Sanders or Clinton rally, the leftist hypocrites would go berserk.
KravtZFair enough argument. I get it Bernie genuinely cares about the US people...but ultimately his policies will only help the poor. Why should I be punished for making a lot of money? I worked hard for it. So now I have to support others who aren't skilled enough, or slacked off. My taxes will get raised. Socialism looks great on paper but most of his policies will never be put into place. Bernie hasn't had a real job his entire life. He has been a failure for the vast majority of his life. We don't need someone like that as president.
Abu-BaghdadiThank You for proving my point that idiots don't know what fascism is. You try and say Trump isn't a fascist because idiots throw around the word too much, then you later go and say the protesters at a Trump rally are fascist. No they're not fascist is any way, shape or form. Fascism had and always will be an extreme authoritarian nationalistic way of governing. Much of which Trump's campaign is starting to look like.
Are they suppressing free speech of Trump? Yes, but you can also look at it in the way that Trump is suppressing free speech by telling his supporters to knock anyone out who looks like they're about to protest. Trump is suppressing free speech by kicking anyone out who protests. Protests are protected under the first amendment.
CampeadorIt's funny really, when you provide sources that prove my point. The Fed uses the U3 unemployment metric, which is very misleading in terms of the true employment situation in the US.
Your article would suggest that tariffs, implemented by Obama to protect domestic tire producers from a concerted Chinese dumping effort to destroy the US tire manufacturing industry, did in fact work. Yes consumers, across the whole economy, paid 1.1 billion more for tires, but it fails to mention how much money was preserved within the US economy, and not sent off to China. It also fails to mention the economic benefits of keeping members of the US tire industry employed, and the fiscal benefits of not needing to provide government benefits to these people had they become unemployed as a result of Chinese dumping.
Now, if a tariff had not been implemented, the US tire industry would have been severely damaged. The goal of Chinese manufacturers is to undermine and destroy US manufacturers through dumping efforts. Once these manufacturing industries are destroyed, we're then fed the lie that "Americans can't compete" and "Americans can't manufacture", which is absolute bullshit.
China has been manipulating its currency for years. You want to talk about "basic economics"? If you do not understand how currency manipulation affect the balance of trade, you obviously have not gotten very far.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/13/madison-gesiotto-negative-effects-chinas-currency-/?page=all
CampeadorI was clearly juxtaposing the term fascist with these children protesting at the Trump rally, based on their tactics. They are hypocrites.
Protesting at private rally events is not protected by the first amendment, nice try at lying through your teeth.
Trump has told his supporters to hit back against protesters who attack them, as they should.
Abu-BaghdadiThat's not juxtaposing at all. That's like me saying Rand Paul is a socialist. But hey that's just a juxtaposition.
Freedom of assembly is explicitly guaranteed in the First Amendment, securing the right of people to meet for any purpose connected with government. Trump is running for president, therefore he's connected to the government. Thus you're allowed to protest at his rallies. And keep in mind I'm just point out the hypocrisy that was your statement about the left and freedom of speech. Freedom of speech applies to everyone, however freedom of speech protects you from persecution from the government. A person is more than welcome to shutdown your speech, just like a corporation is more than welcome to shut down your speech. The government however can not. You can not be jailed for speaking your mind. Do I think protesters should be kicked out events? Yes, but you're just being hypocritical in saying that protesters are restricting freedom of speech when Trump is also restricting freedom of speech.
And no Trump is instigating violence at his rallies. You don't seem this form of violence at Cruz rallies, at Rubio rallies, or any other rallies. Because they're not spitting violent rhetoric. Like how Trump said he'd like to "punch him in the face" when talking about a protester who ejected from the event in Las Vegas. Trump's hateful rhetoric is enabling people to feel as if people who disagree with them are below them. A protester at Bernie Sanders rally was wearing a Trump shirt and was kicked out of the event. Not one punch was thrown by a supporter, a few boos but no violence. Compare that to when a black man was ejected from the venue for protesting and a trump supporter came over and punched him, then later the attacker said he would kill the man next time. Now I'm just curious to see if Trump will pay the mans legal fees, probably not considering Trump has a truth percentage of 7%...
CampeadorIt's not just Trump, these leftist activist losers on college campuses protest and shut down the events of anyone who doesn't conform to social justice dogma. This isn't just about Trump, it's about leftist social justice fanatics that think they can limit free speech as they see fit.
Your argument also makes no sense, according to your logic protesters could go into any government building to protest. The first amendment only allows protester to assemble on public land, and not at private events, whether they be related to government or not. Or should protesters also be allowed into white house press conferences, senate sessions, and any number of government events?
KravtZSick dude....give me a reason why you would vote for hilary or bernie over trump. I just don't get how people can support either. Trump isn't optimal obviously..but sure a hell of a lot better than the others