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CampeadorDefinitely, and this is why I have no problem supporting Toyota, I made a mistake there, I meant US companies that produce in the US, my Toyota truck is made in the US as well.
Hell, Toyota will end up being more American than Ford or Chevy the way things are going.
They already are considered the most American made car company. The article to back this up is out there somewhere, but they basically did the math on how many parts of vehicles were made where and Toyota came out on top for the US. Pretty cool considering how dope and durable their vehicles are too
If Trump wins I know I'll be full of frustration and anger, leaving the country might honestly be an option, I dont know if I could take it. Now it Ted Cruz wins I'm just going to hop in my car and cruz strait off a cliff
This entire election is fucked. Trump is a fascist bastard and Ted Cruz wants to turn America into a religious war state. Idk about Marco Rubio but he might drop out after the Florida primary because he's not leading there currently and Trump might win. John Kasich seems like the only reasonable GOP candidate and he pretty underrated, but he's not as well-known as Trump. As for the Democrats, Hillary is a fucking hypocrite and the DNC is rigging the election to make sure that she gets the nomination over Bernie. She's the establishment favorite and the establishment won't let anyone who labels themself as a democratic socialist represent the Democratic party in the election.
“It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless … I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.”
Campeador“It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless … I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.”
- George Orwell
Whether or not you agree that Trump is a fascist is pointless. Because pretty much every point in fascism identifies with Trump, apart from controlled mass media. People seem to fail to understand the word fascist, I've seen people call the left facist for calling out sexism and racism. But let's be clear here fascism is an extreme authoritarian nationalistic form of government, that of which Trump is currently campaigning.
Whether or not you agree that Trump is a fascist is pointless. Because pretty much every point in fascism identifies with Trump, apart from controlled mass media. People seem to fail to understand the word fascist, I've seen people call the left facist for calling out sexism and racism. But let's be clear here fascism is an extreme authoritarian nationalistic form of government, that of which Trump is currently campaigning.
Please man, we've got back and forth on here enough to leave behind the bullshit blog sources from no-name social justice loons with pink hair.
That infograph is so pathetically simplistic and wrong, it's not even worth addressing (plus I have a feeling I've seen it before from you).
Here's an honest assessment of the meaning of "fascism" (or the meaninglessness of it) from an actual intellectual, and not a pseudo-intellectual blogger.
My point is that the word "fascist" has become meaningless, and as Orwell eloquently pointed out, has been reduced to nothing more substantive than "the level of a swearword".
CampeadorPlease man, we've got back and forth on here enough to leave behind the bullshit blog sources from no-name social justice loons with pink hair.
That infograph is so pathetically simplistic and wrong, it's not even worth addressing (plus I have a feeling I've seen it before from you).
Here's an honest assessment of the meaning of "fascism" (or the meaninglessness of it) from an actual intellectual, and not a pseudo-intellectual blogger.
My point is that the word "fascist" has become meaningless, and as Orwell eloquently pointed out, has been reduced to nothing more substantive than "the level of a swearword".
Hmmm everyone throwing around and now it has no meaning? Sounds abit like right wingers throwing around communist/ socialist without context.
But if people don't know the meaning of fascism is pointless. Fascism has and always will be an extreme authoritarian nationalistic way of governing. Political theory does not change because people don't understand the meaning of words. Socialism, has and always will be the means of production owned and regulated by a community. Just like fascism is similar to those 14 points in that image.
Comparing Trump to Hitler is a stretch, however it's important to remember the way Trump is gaining popularity now, is the same way in which Hitler gained popularity in the 1920's and 30's. Will Trump be as bad as Hitler? Obviously not, the president does not have that much power,compared to what Hitler had. Hitler also had people like Himmler which were just as bad, if not worse than Hitler.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. And with Guantanamo Bay violating all sorts of Human rights without intervention I can only imagine what Trump would do when he said he'd do worse things than waterboarding.
S.J.WThose who forget history are doomed to repeat it. And with Guantanamo Bay violating all sorts of Human rights without intervention I can only imagine what Trump would do when he said he'd do worse things than waterboarding.
Pardon me while I care nothing for the "human rights" of muslim terrorists. Osama Bin Laden was found thanks to waterboarding.
If it were up to me I'd hook them up to a car battery after waterboarding them.
CampeadorPardon me while I care nothing for the "human rights" of muslim terrorists. Osama Bin Laden was found thanks to waterboarding.
If it were up to me I'd hook them up to a car battery after waterboarding them.
But then you also end up with cases like Australian David Hicks who was held in Guantanamo, tortured, etc and in 2015 was cleared by the US court of military commission's review. You also have inmates who haven't even been charged with anything, but still haven't been released. Or when you have 34 people cleared by the government as innocent but are still in guantanamo.
Not to mention gitmo was also deemed unconstitutional,where are all those republicans denouncing gitmo for not being constitutional?
But apart from that, if you allow yourself to fall to the level of terrorists with regards to human life, then what makes you any better than them? You are only as moral as your weakest link. That being gitmo, you can claim to be the country of freedom and liberty all you like, but as long as you have places like gitmo violating people's human rights then you are no better than terrorists.
Whether or not you agree that Trump is a fascist is pointless. Because pretty much every point in fascism identifies with Trump, apart from controlled mass media. People seem to fail to understand the word fascist, I've seen people call the left facist for calling out sexism and racism. But let's be clear here fascism is an extreme authoritarian nationalistic form of government, that of which Trump is currently campaigning.
Wow I actually agree with you about something. Trump hates the mass media, and I've heard bad things that have happened to journalists at Trump rallies (i.e. the Time Magazine reporter being choked by security). I've kept up with Vice regarding politics and the reports from Bun B on the campaign trail and he even showed what it's like at a Trump rally.
Trump kicks anyone out that protests against him. His rascist remarks have gotten a lot of angry, right-wing supporting white people riled up because of the things he's promising like the wall that he thinks Mexico should pay for (Mexico's economy is shit btw). He pretty much hates anyone that isn't white or Christian. He's even being supported by David Duke, the head of the KKK, and that subject is the only thing he's not quick to judge on other than when it comes to Mexicans, Muslims, and he even hates the Pope.
Brule.Trump kicks anyone out that protests against him. His rascist remarks have gotten a lot of angry, right-wing supporting white people riled up because of the things he's promising like the wall that he thinks Mexico should pay for (Mexico's economy is shit btw). He pretty much hates anyone that isn't white or Christian. He's even being supported by David Duke, the head of the KKK, and that subject is the only thing he's not quick to judge on other than when it comes to Mexicans, Muslims, and he even hates the Pope.
The similarities between Trump in 2016 and segregationist George Wallace from 1968:
CampeadorPlease man, we've got back and forth on here enough to leave behind the bullshit blog sources from no-name social justice loons with pink hair.
That infograph is so pathetically simplistic and wrong, it's not even worth addressing (plus I have a feeling I've seen it before from you).
Here's an honest assessment of the meaning of "fascism" (or the meaninglessness of it) from an actual intellectual, and not a pseudo-intellectual blogger.
My point is that the word "fascist" has become meaningless, and as Orwell eloquently pointed out, has been reduced to nothing more substantive than "the level of a swearword".
Fascism is thrown around by the left as much as socialism/communism is thrown around by the right. And with the way socialism has been thrown around throughout the Bernie campaign, it seems pretty meaningless as well.
Trump is a flip flopper/liar with a complex. He will say whatever he has to to get votes but when you boil it down he really has no plan for this country. Anyone who votes for him is an utter moron (and America is full of them) especially considering there are far better candidates in the GOP
spaceghostpurpNobody knows what trump will do if/when elected (personally I think he will win, not saying I support him). Many members of congress actually do support some of the things he believes in so I believe that they will work together and actually try to help america. Everybody who hates trump needs to get over themselves and actually read about what he stands for and actually see if they agree or not. A lot of people at my school do not even understand what he stands for but act like they hate him because everyone else does /end rant
Well if you actually read what he stood for you would want to distance yourself from him. He's a self-conscious lunatic that has no more business being in the White house than a circus clown.
Turd.FergusonWell if you actually read what he stood for you would want to distance yourself from him. He's a self-conscious lunatic that has no more business being in the White house than a circus clown.
Ill take him anyday over one of the most corrupt liars to ever step food in the white house, or a self proclaimed socialist who wants to raise taxes on everyone for his free handout utopia.
KravtZIll take him anyday over one of the most corrupt liars to ever step food in the white house, or a self proclaimed socialist who wants to raise taxes on everyone for his free handout utopia.
Abu-BaghdadiBut then you also end up with cases like Australian David Hicks who was held in Guantanamo, tortured, etc and in 2015 was cleared by the US court of military commission's review. You also have inmates who haven't even been charged with anything, but still haven't been released. Or when you have 34 people cleared by the government as innocent but are still in guantanamo.
Not to mention gitmo was also deemed unconstitutional,where are all those republicans denouncing gitmo for not being constitutional?
But apart from that, if you allow yourself to fall to the level of terrorists with regards to human life, then what makes you any better than them? You are only as moral as your weakest link. That being gitmo, you can claim to be the country of freedom and liberty all you like, but as long as you have places like gitmo violating people's human rights then you are no better than terrorists.
Oh poor old David Hicks (or is it Muhammad Dawood?), a turncoat Australian Muslim who was training with Taliban and al-Qaeda militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Or how about his extensive weapon training and believed in "sacrifice for Allah" according to his own words. He was cleared only because of legal snafus, the worst of lawyers hang around Gitmo like horse flies.
My only regret is that they didn't torture him more, or put a bullet in his head.
"Innocent" is a relative term, the fact remains that these people should be executed for being unrepentant enemy combatants, since most of them go back to their jihadist friends as soon as they're released. Like the former Gitmo detainee recently captured in Spain recruiting for ISIS.
What social justice loons like yourself want, because you have such a deep-seated hatred for Western culture, is to hamstring Western governments from being able to effectively fight against an enemy that plays by 7th century rules, using nonsense, non-existent concepts like "human rights" and a false sense of morality. Human rights are not absolute, the only right muslim terrorists have is to a swift death.
The only thing muslims understand is power.
Terrorists have no constitutional rights, I care little what any activist judge has to say on the matter. Maybe if muslim terrorists were targeting federal judges, their tune would change pretty quickly.
Sick dude....give me a reason why you would vote for hilary or bernie over trump. I just don't get how people can support either. Trump isn't optimal obviously..but sure a hell of a lot better than the others
CampeadorOh poor old David Hicks (or is it Muhammad Dawood?), a turncoat Australian Muslim who was training with Taliban and al-Qaeda militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Or how about his extensive weapon training and believed in "sacrifice for Allah" according to his own words. He was cleared only because of legal snafus, the worst of lawyers hang around Gitmo like horse flies.
My only regret is that they didn't torture him more, or put a bullet in his head.
"Innocent" is a relative term, the fact remains that these people should be executed for being unrepentant enemy combatants, since most of them go back to their jihadist friends as soon as they're released. Like the former Gitmo detainee recently captured in Spain recruiting for ISIS.
What social justice loons like yourself want, because you have such a deep-seated hatred for Western culture, is to hamstring Western governments from being able to effectively fight against an enemy that plays by 7th century rules, using nonsense, non-existent concepts like "human rights" and a false sense of morality. Human rights are not absolute, the only right muslim terrorists have is to a swift death.
The only thing muslims understand is power.
Terrorists have no constitutional rights, I care little what any activist judge has to say on the matter. Maybe if muslim terrorists were targeting federal judges, their tune would change pretty quickly.
Im down for this. I mean according to Michael Moore these folks recieve as good if not better healthcare than many Americans. Fuck that, I know Gitmo is not a very nice place, but many there deserve what they get.
I am radical in that regard. More death penalty, less prisons. We just need a way to make it more cost effective. Its insane the amount of money spent to keep some of the sickest individuals alive for the rest of their lives.
And we should reduce penalties for non-violent crimes drastically. The amount of people in jail for marijuana, among other things, is insane. We could use all those wasted funds in other, more important areas like education and infrastructure. Invest in Americas future, not its fuckups.
KravtZSick dude....give me a reason why you would vote for hilary or bernie over trump. I just don't get how people can support either. Trump isn't optimal obviously..but sure a hell of a lot better than the others
You seem to be drinking the Trump coolaid. I dont want a reactionary, insecure man as President. That is a recipe for disaster.
Furthermore, he is not a great business man as everyone is led to believe. Aside from 4 bankrupted businesses he's had countless failures that lost him money. Huck adressed this point in the last page.
At least Bernie genuinely cares about the American people. I dont support all his policies and many dont even affect me (college, higher minimum wage) but he stands for something great. He plans to not let the richest control this country (they do) and continue to beat and batter the middle class (that hands down supports our economy).
And I hate Hillary, she is worse than Trump. But what about Kasich? Cruz? They seem far more grounded than Trump. Even Carson would have been decent if he didnt go full retard.
In the end youre supporting a man who doesnt have a clue what hes doing and thats scary.
Ps, I kinda like Trump, hes a funny guy and hes against PC which I fully stand behind. I just think he would ruin this country as President.
Granite_StateYou seem to be drinking the Trump coolaid. I dont want a reactionary, insecure man as President. That is a recipe for disaster.
Furthermore, he is not a great business man as everyone is led to believe. Aside from 4 bankrupted businesses he's had countless failures that lost him money. Huck adressed this point in the last page.
At least Bernie genuinely cares about the American people. I dont support all his policies and many dont even affect me (college, higher minimum wage) but he stands for something great. He plans to not let the richest control this country (they do) and continue to beat and batter the middle class (that hands down supports our economy).
And I hate Hillary, she is worse than Trump. But what about Kasich? Cruz? They seem far more grounded than Trump. Even Carson would have been decent if he didnt go full retard.
In the end youre supporting a man who doesnt have a clue what hes doing and thats scary.
Ps, I kinda like Trump, hes a funny guy and hes against PC which I fully stand behind. I just think he would ruin this country as President.
Fair enough argument. I get it Bernie genuinely cares about the US people...but ultimately his policies will only help the poor. Why should I be punished for making a lot of money? I worked hard for it. So now I have to support others who aren't skilled enough, or slacked off. My taxes will get raised. Socialism looks great on paper but most of his policies will never be put into place. Bernie hasn't had a real job his entire life. He has been a failure for the vast majority of his life. We don't need someone like that as president.
Granite_StateIm down for this. I mean according to Michael Moore these folks recieve as good if not better healthcare than many Americans. Fuck that, I know Gitmo is not a very nice place, but many there deserve what they get.
I am radical in that regard. More death penalty, less prisons. We just need a way to make it more cost effective. Its insane the amount of money spent to keep some of the sickest individuals alive for the rest of their lives.
And we should reduce penalties for non-violent crimes drastically. The amount of people in jail for marijuana, among other things, is insane. We could use all those wasted funds in other, more important areas like education and infrastructure. Invest in Americas future, not its fuckups.
Wow just got wayyyy of topic but oh well.
Absolutely, but the death penalty has become such a tangled mess, it'll never happen. Parasitic lawyers have been making tens of millions of dollars off of blocking it for years.
And yes, we should created a class of decriminalized drugs (as in Portugal). However, dealers of certain hard drugs, such as heroin and methamphetamine should be punished just as harshly as ever. These drugs destroy people's souls. I'm sure you've seen it just as much as I have.
Granite_StateFurthermore, he is not a great business man as everyone is led to believe. Aside from 4 bankrupted businesses he's had countless failures that lost him money. Huck adressed this point in the last page.
No one is saying Trump is the best businessman ever to grace the face of the Earth. That being said, these arguments about Trump's few failed ventures just don't ring that loud.
It's the equivalent of pointing out that the team that won the Stanley Cup or the Superbowl, or the World Series lost a few games on their way to victory.
I would say that most wildly successful businessmen have also suffered setbacks and a few failed endeavors, it the nature of the risk associated with business.
All in all, Trump successes have put him very far ahead of his few failures, otherwise he wouldn't be a billionaire.
Granite_StateYou seem to be drinking the Trump coolaid. I dont want a reactionary, insecure man as President. That is a recipe for disaster.
Furthermore, he is not a great business man as everyone is led to believe. Aside from 4 bankrupted businesses he's had countless failures that lost him money. Huck adressed this point in the last page.
At least Bernie genuinely cares about the American people. I dont support all his policies and many dont even affect me (college, higher minimum wage) but he stands for something great. He plans to not let the richest control this country (they do) and continue to beat and batter the middle class (that hands down supports our economy).
And I hate Hillary, she is worse than Trump. But what about Kasich? Cruz? They seem far more grounded than Trump. Even Carson would have been decent if he didnt go full retard.
In the end youre supporting a man who doesnt have a clue what hes doing and thats scary.
Ps, I kinda like Trump, hes a funny guy and hes against PC which I fully stand behind. I just think he would ruin this country as President.
I fall in the same boat as you.
I think Trump as a character, a personality, is fucking fantastic, but only if he were an SNL character. I think he would ruin the country as a president and frankly think most of his proposals, at face value, are quite bad. Many of his complaints though ring true to me. Our country has become too PC in many aspects.
Same with Bernie. I think Bernie has his heart and ideas in the right place, but I cannot get behind his economic policies at face value. I fully support his idea to get money out of politics and I think that is a huge necessity, as is affordable college and healthcare. But a $15 minimum wage is drastically too high, but brings to light how bad behind it has gotten. Unfortunately, I don't agree with his methods to get to affordable college or healthcare.
What kills me with both of these candidates (and one of the few reasons I can't get behind either) is their desire to reinstate almost-protectionist policies when it comes to international trade. Yes, the TPP is a pretty poor proposal and NAFTA certainly had hurt some people, but on the whole, most free trade agreements are a good thing despite the painful short-term issues. Even the TPP has beneficial aspects (it makes trading "services" easier, it would decrease patent protection for pharmaceuticals, etc). By implementing these types of protectionist policies it will come to hurt the middle and lower class, as the cost of goods and even services will likely rise in tandem with wages or at an even greater rate.
I personally hope neither gets elected, but I hope their message is here to stay. American politics needs to change.
I think Trump as a character, a personality, is fucking fantastic, but only if he were an SNL character. I think he would ruin the country as a president and frankly think most of his proposals, at face value, are quite bad. Many of his complaints though ring true to me. Our country has become too PC in many aspects.
Same with Bernie. I think Bernie has his heart and ideas in the right place, but I cannot get behind his economic policies at face value. I fully support his idea to get money out of politics and I think that is a huge necessity, as is affordable college and healthcare. But a $15 minimum wage is drastically too high, but brings to light how bad behind it has gotten. Unfortunately, I don't agree with his methods to get to affordable college or healthcare.
What kills me with both of these candidates (and one of the few reasons I can't get behind either) is their desire to reinstate almost-protectionist policies when it comes to international trade. Yes, the TPP is a pretty poor proposal and NAFTA certainly had hurt some people, but on the whole, most free trade agreements are a good thing despite the painful short-term issues. Even the TPP has beneficial aspects (it makes trading "services" easier, it would decrease patent protection for pharmaceuticals, etc). By implementing these types of protectionist policies it will come to hurt the middle and lower class, as the cost of goods and even services will likely rise in tandem with wages or at an even greater rate.
I personally hope neither gets elected, but I hope their message is here to stay. American politics needs to change.
Next you'll argue how H1-B visas actually help the middle class too, give me a break.
The concept of "free trade" has been morphed into "free-for-all trade", except for us of course. Free trade has become a bullshit concept, and should instead be what both Trump and Sanders have proposed as Fair Trade, where each nation has to play by a certain set of rules and within certain parameters. That means the threat of reciprocal tariffs (if China takes theirs down so should we) and protections for American business from blatant currency manipulation, which is essentially currency warfare.
Also:
1.Explain to me how Ford plants and Carrier plants in Mexico make the American people better off.
2. Explain to me how having no tariffs on Chinese goods that get dumped on our shores, while our goods exported to them receive high tariffs, makes American people better off.
3. Explain to me why having open trade with nations that engage in currency warfare with the US, makes Americans better off.
4. Explain to me why dirt cheap, made-in-China, garbage at Wal-Mart (which enriches the Walton family), while Americans lose their jobs and have to rely on government assistance, makes Americans better off.
5. Lastly, your defense of "free trade in services" is also an open defense of a massive expansion of the H1-B program and other visa programs. So, explain how forcing Disney IT workers, among many others, to train foreigners to do their jobs at half the wage makes Americans better off.
I used to be a big free trade proponent, but in its current state, it's a lie. It's one of the main drivers (among other factors) of wealth to the top 1% of wage earners, a symptom of an economy that relies primarily on consumption rather than investment and production.
ANDR01DA little something I made the other day, Enjoy!
So creative!
The Nazi allusions are so tired and boring. It's interesting how many misguided suburban white kids have soft spots for Islam and illegal immigration. Probably because they have zero experience with either.
CampeadorNext you'll argue how H1-B visas actually help the middle class too, give me a break. When used correctly, yes. They do. Problem is they have been abused.
The concept of "free trade" has been morphed into "free-for-all trade", except for us of course. Free trade has become a bullshit concept, and should instead be what both Trump and Sanders have proposed as Fair Trade, where each nation has to play by a certain set of rules and within certain parameters. That means the threat of reciprocal tariffs (if China takes theirs down so should we) and protections for American business from blatant currency manipulation, which is essentially currency warfare. No, what they want, by proxy, is an actual trade war. Economics is all about efficiency. You want more manufacturing in the US? Let us move away from what we are efficient at (growing corn and services). Let us be inefficient and suck at manufacturing jobs, something we moved away from decades ago. Let us also implement new robotics workers, minimizing the actual number of new jobs in these factories. Let us crush the small workers who cannot handle the increase in costs as both domestic and foreign products rise in price to combat the increased costs of production and tariffs. Want to export them? Tough luck, no one will buy them at the price you're selling them at.
Want to remove the immigrants too? Fine, lets lose 11m workers who can no longer consume the goods and services we produce because they're no longer here.
Also:
1.Explain to me how Ford plants and Carrier plants in Mexico make the American people better off. Originally, they were cheaper. Now, they're not and that is why you are seeing Ford, Toyota, Chevy, etc. move factories back to the US.
2. Explain to me how having no tariffs on Chinese goods that get dumped on our shores, while our goods exported to them receive high tariffs, makes American people better off. These tariffs will do nothing but raise the price for the American consumer. Do not think for a second the Chinese will not raise the prices to combat the tariffs. Christ, this is a two sided battle, it'd be a dick-swinging contest where only the consumer loses.
3. Explain to me why having open trade with nations that engage in currency warfare with the US, makes Americans better off.
Prove that we (the US) are experiencing currency warfare. We are fine. Thailand and Malaysia? Not so much.
4. Explain to me why dirt cheap, made-in-China, garbage at Wal-Mart (which enriches the Walton family), while Americans lose their jobs and have to rely on government assistance, makes Americans better off. Those goods are "better" because of economies of scale. Find me an American worker that wants to sit in a factory all day making the cheap plastic shit you get from there. The Walton's are abusing the minimum wage system, it needs to be increased. I have said that.
5. Lastly, your defense of "free trade in services" is also an open defense of a massive expansion of the H1-B program and other visa programs. So, explain how forcing Disney IT workers, among many others, to train foreigners to do their jobs at half the wage makes Americans better off. Abuse of the system. It needs to be curbed, not removed.
I used to be a big free trade proponent, but in its current state, it's a lie. It's one of the main drivers (among other factors) of wealth to the top 1% of wage earners, a symptom of an economy that relies primarily on consumption rather than investment and production.
No, it is a symptom of globalization. We are not a manufacturing country, nor will we ever be again. We lack both the infrastructure and competitive edge. Putting tariffs in place will only hurt the consumer.
When both parties are shitting on the idea, you know it is bad.
Your tendency to answer within someone's quote is irritating to say the least. Your arguments are simplistic and do not answer the questions. You tie up every fundamental flaw in free trade to "abuse", that is bullshit.
The economists that Politico quotes are absolutely full of shit. To think that the US is reaching "full employment" as it stands now, is so backwards, and just proves these ivory tower economists haven't got a clue. Also that deporting illegal immigrants (who are an overall net drain on the public treasury) would lead to recession is complete bullshit.
I am not saying that trade be eliminated, that is nonsense. However, it is completely backwards to have a situation where we accept all their junk, and we cannot export hardly at all to them, due to trade tariffs (which they seem to have no problem with) and currency manipulation that makes their exports cheaper, and our imports more expensive (on top of the added tariffs they put on). China has no cards to play, if we threaten a tariff, they have to comply with removing theirs or face complete collapse.
The United States is perfectly able to bring back and support certain sectors of manufacturing. Your argument related to Ford is nonsense, since they've recently announced that they will be building and expanding Ford plants in Mexico. It's backwards to take advantage of the US consumer economy, while spurning investment into that same economy. They should pay a price for that.
CampeadorOh poor old David Hicks (or is it Muhammad Dawood?), a turncoat Australian Muslim who was training with Taliban and al-Qaeda militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Or how about his extensive weapon training and believed in "sacrifice for Allah" according to his own words. He was cleared only because of legal snafus, the worst of lawyers hang around Gitmo like horse flies.
My only regret is that they didn't torture him more, or put a bullet in his head.
"Innocent" is a relative term, the fact remains that these people should be executed for being unrepentant enemy combatants, since most of them go back to their jihadist friends as soon as they're released. Like the former Gitmo detainee recently captured in Spain recruiting for ISIS.
What social justice loons like yourself want, because you have such a deep-seated hatred for Western culture, is to hamstring Western governments from being able to effectively fight against an enemy that plays by 7th century rules, using nonsense, non-existent concepts like "human rights" and a false sense of morality. Human rights are not absolute, the only right muslim terrorists have is to a swift death.
The only thing muslims understand is power.
Terrorists have no constitutional rights, I care little what any activist judge has to say on the matter. Maybe if muslim terrorists were targeting federal judges, their tune would change pretty quickly.
Okay so what makes America morally better than Japan in WW2? Or any other country that has done fucked up shit. I know you hate Islam but if you allow your legal system to be undermined by places like Gitmo then you can no longer claim to be the country of freedom, equal opportunity and what not.
Also, with regards to gitmo, what's stopping gitmo practices to be used in American prisons? It's a slippery slope if you disregard human rights and the constitution in favour of torture which really doesn't work.
CampeadorYour tendency to answer within someone's quote is irritating to say the least. Your arguments are simplistic and do not answer the questions. You tie up every fundamental flaw in free trade to "abuse", that is bullshit.
The economists that Politico quotes are absolutely full of shit. To think that the US is reaching "full employment" as it stands now, is so backwards, and just proves these ivory tower economists haven't got a clue. Also that deporting illegal immigrants (who are an overall net drain on the public treasury) would lead to recession is complete bullshit.
I am not saying that trade be eliminated, that is nonsense. However, it is completely backwards to have a situation where we accept all their junk, and we cannot export hardly at all to them, due to trade tariffs (which they seem to have no problem with) and currency manipulation that makes their exports cheaper, and our imports more expensive (on top of the added tariffs they put on). China has no cards to play, if we threaten a tariff, they have to comply with removing theirs or face complete collapse.
The United States is perfectly able to bring back and support certain sectors of manufacturing. Your argument related to Ford is nonsense, since they've recently announced that they will be building and expanding Ford plants in Mexico. It's backwards to take advantage of the US consumer economy, while spurning investment into that same economy. They should pay a price for that.
Fine, ignore the rising domestic prices that are the result of tariffs. That wasn't the crux of my argument or anything.
Forget the Politico article then. Here is one from the NYT.
We have tried the tariffs. They frankly don't work. The payoffs are not worth it. Cost-benefit analysis. Basic economics.
Find me a single, well-respected economists who agrees that putting tariffs in place will benefit the people they are trying to protect. You won't. The only losers in trade wars are the consumers.
The Federal Reserve doesn't know what full employment is? Shit man, who the hell does then?!
Please, I asked for figures for a currency war involving the US. I haven't seen any, nor has a single piece yielded any evidence of one.
Alright, find me those sectors. Prove to me that there is manufacturing we can bring back that will help the economy as well as help the consumer.
And come on man, calling me out lack of economic knowledge while you have yet to provide a single shred of evidence beyond what Trump is saying?
Abu-BaghdadiAlso, with regards to gitmo, what's stopping gitmo practices to be used in American prisons? It's a slippery slope if you disregard human rights and the constitution in favour of torture which really doesn't work.
Big difference, Constitutional rights only apply to citizens and legal residents. It was for good reason that the Romans had different sets of justice and punishment for Roman citizens and non-citizens.
That being said, I believe that citizenship should be stripped of anyone that acts on allegiance to foreign terrorist organizations, including the Muslim Brotherhood. Once stripped of citizenship, I think Muslim terrorists can and should be tortured for useful information. Obviously I don't want that torture to include permanent, severe physical disfigurement, but enough to make life a living hell for them until they spill everything they know.
If the suffering of this subhuman filth can prevent the suffering and deaths of American citizens, then yes 100% I will say it is absolutely worth it. You talk about "human rights", but these people have renounced any right to even call themselves human.
Water-boarding led to Bin Laden, this is a fact. Or would you prefer he still be free?
CampeadorBig difference, Constitutional rights only apply to citizens and legal residents. It was for good reason that the Romans had different sets of justice and punishment for Roman citizens and non-citizens.
That being said, I believe that citizenship should be stripped of anyone that acts on allegiance to foreign terrorist organizations, including the Muslim Brotherhood. Once stripped of citizenship, I think Muslim terrorists can and should be tortured for useful information. Obviously I don't want that torture to include permanent, severe physical disfigurement, but enough to make life a living hell for them until they spill everything they know.
If the suffering of this subhuman filth can prevent the suffering and deaths of American citizens, then yes 100% I will say it is absolutely worth it. You talk about "human rights", but these people have renounced any right to even call themselves human.
Water-boarding led to Bin Laden, this is a fact. Or would you prefer he still be free?
The constitution also applies to the government. Gitmo violated the constitution as well as it was a breach of government power.
And no waterboarding did not leading to Bin Laden. A senate report concluded that torture and waterboarding does not work. Off course the CIA is going to claim that it works, they're just trying to defend themselves.
We have tried the tariffs. They frankly don't work. The payoffs are not worth it. Cost-benefit analysis. Basic economics.
Find me a single, well-respected economists who agrees that putting tariffs in place will benefit the people they are trying to protect. You won't. The only losers in trade wars are the consumers.
The Federal Reserve doesn't know what full employment is? Shit man, who the hell does then?!
Please, I asked for figures for a currency war involving the US. I haven't seen any, nor has a single piece yielded any evidence of one.
Alright, find me those sectors. Prove to me that there is manufacturing we can bring back that will help the economy as well as help the consumer.
And come on man, calling me out lack of economic knowledge while you have yet to provide a single shred of evidence beyond what Trump is saying?
It's funny really, when you provide sources that prove my point. The Fed uses the U3 unemployment metric, which is very misleading in terms of the true employment situation in the US.
Your article would suggest that tariffs, implemented by Obama to protect domestic tire producers from a concerted Chinese dumping effort to destroy the US tire manufacturing industry, did in fact work. Yes consumers, across the whole economy, paid 1.1 billion more for tires, but it fails to mention how much money was preserved within the US economy, and not sent off to China. It also fails to mention the economic benefits of keeping members of the US tire industry employed, and the fiscal benefits of not needing to provide government benefits to these people had they become unemployed as a result of Chinese dumping.
Now, if a tariff had not been implemented, the US tire industry would have been severely damaged. The goal of Chinese manufacturers is to undermine and destroy US manufacturers through dumping efforts. Once these manufacturing industries are destroyed, we're then fed the lie that "Americans can't compete" and "Americans can't manufacture", which is absolute bullshit.
China has been manipulating its currency for years. You want to talk about "basic economics"? If you do not understand how currency manipulation affect the balance of trade, you obviously have not gotten very far.
CampeadorThe regressive leftists know no bounds in their hypocrisy.
The real left-wing fascists are in Chicago preventing a Donald Trump rally. These leftist safe-space children are the enemies of free speech.
I can only imagine the response if Trump supporters tried to shut down a Sanders or Clinton rally, the leftist hypocrites would go berserk.
Thank You for proving my point that idiots don't know what fascism is. You try and say Trump isn't a fascist because idiots throw around the word too much, then you later go and say the protesters at a Trump rally are fascist. No they're not fascist is any way, shape or form. Fascism had and always will be an extreme authoritarian nationalistic way of governing. Much of which Trump's campaign is starting to look like.
Are they suppressing free speech of Trump? Yes, but you can also look at it in the way that Trump is suppressing free speech by telling his supporters to knock anyone out who looks like they're about to protest. Trump is suppressing free speech by kicking anyone out who protests. Protests are protected under the first amendment.
KravtZFair enough argument. I get it Bernie genuinely cares about the US people...but ultimately his policies will only help the poor. Why should I be punished for making a lot of money? I worked hard for it. So now I have to support others who aren't skilled enough, or slacked off. My taxes will get raised. Socialism looks great on paper but most of his policies will never be put into place. Bernie hasn't had a real job his entire life. He has been a failure for the vast majority of his life. We don't need someone like that as president.
And why the fuck should my taxes go towards big bank and wallstreet bailouts? You probably wouldn't even be working at wallstreet had those bailouts not been passed by the government. Get off your high horse. Social security helps people get out poverty faster than if there was no social security, the US currently has around 3 million skilled jobs that can't be filled due to a skills shortage. Plus investing in education returns around $3 to $6 for every single dollar invested. You should know all about investments aye Mr Wallstreet big baller. And I fail to see how fighting for civil rights make him a failure? So MLK is a failure, fuck Ghandi bro, sorry dude you're a failure for breaking the british rule.
Abu-BaghdadiThank You for proving my point that idiots don't know what fascism is. You try and say Trump isn't a fascist because idiots throw around the word too much, then you later go and say the protesters at a Trump rally are fascist. No they're not fascist is any way, shape or form. Fascism had and always will be an extreme authoritarian nationalistic way of governing. Much of which Trump's campaign is starting to look like.
Are they suppressing free speech of Trump? Yes, but you can also look at it in the way that Trump is suppressing free speech by telling his supporters to knock anyone out who looks like they're about to protest. Trump is suppressing free speech by kicking anyone out who protests. Protests are protected under the first amendment.
I was clearly juxtaposing the term fascist with these children protesting at the Trump rally, based on their tactics. They are hypocrites.
Protesting at private rally events is not protected by the first amendment, nice try at lying through your teeth.
Trump has told his supporters to hit back against protesters who attack them, as they should.
CampeadorIt's funny really, when you provide sources that prove my point. The Fed uses the U3 unemployment metric, which is very misleading in terms of the true employment situation in the US.
Your article would suggest that tariffs, implemented by Obama to protect domestic tire producers from a concerted Chinese dumping effort to destroy the US tire manufacturing industry, did in fact work. Yes consumers, across the whole economy, paid 1.1 billion more for tires, but it fails to mention how much money was preserved within the US economy, and not sent off to China. It also fails to mention the economic benefits of keeping members of the US tire industry employed, and the fiscal benefits of not needing to provide government benefits to these people had they become unemployed as a result of Chinese dumping.
Now, if a tariff had not been implemented, the US tire industry would have been severely damaged. The goal of Chinese manufacturers is to undermine and destroy US manufacturers through dumping efforts. Once these manufacturing industries are destroyed, we're then fed the lie that "Americans can't compete" and "Americans can't manufacture", which is absolute bullshit.
China has been manipulating its currency for years. You want to talk about "basic economics"? If you do not understand how currency manipulation affect the balance of trade, you obviously have not gotten very far.
It saved 1,200 jobs. Yippie. We, the consumers, spent about $1b for 1,200 jobs. Not really a great trade off is it? What I am about to present is EXACTLY what I said would happen with a trade war. Let us begin.
First: "The cost per job manufacturing saved (a maximum of 1,200 jobs by our calculations) was at least $900,000 in that year. Only a very small fraction of this bloated figure reached the pockets of tire
workers. Instead, most of the money landed in the coffers of tire companies, mainly abroad but also at home."
Want to know what China first did in return?. They raised tariffs on chicken imports. "The Chinese tariffs reduced exports by $1 billion as US poultry firms experienced a 90 percent collapse in their exports of chicken parts to China."
Now, remember that I also said the American consumer would deal with higher prices. Here we go:
"Chinese-made unit values increased from $30.79 to $38.92 per car tire between 2009Q3 and 2011Q3—representing a 26 percent increase in the post-tariff era...Over the safeguard period, Chinese-made light truck tire unit values increased from $52.73 to $61.48 between 2009Q3 and 2011Q3—representing
a 17 percent increase during the post-tariff era. The average unit value of US light truck tire imports from AOC increased from $76.20 to $89.64 between 2009Q3 and 2011Q3—an 18 percent increase during the post-tariff era...Multiplying 3.26 percent by the approximate value of US-made tire sales during the post-tariff period ($18.1 billion in 2010), we conclude that the larger post-tariff spread cost American consumers $590 million on an annualized basis.
And HERE WE GO! THE KICKER
"The tire safeguards extracted an estimated $1,112 million annually from US consumers; at the same time, the safeguards put $48 million in the pockets of otherwise unemployed tire workers. The net effect was to reduce consumer spending on other retail goods by about $1,064 million, indicating that the safeguard tariffs probably cost around 3,731 jobs in the retail sector."
GOD PROTECTIONIST POLICIES WORK SO FUCKING WELL.
Christ. Read a real piece, not something from a Criminal Law writer.
CampeadorI was clearly juxtaposing the term fascist with these children protesting at the Trump rally, based on their tactics. They are hypocrites.
Protesting at private rally events is not protected by the first amendment, nice try at lying through your teeth.
Trump has told his supporters to hit back against protesters who attack them, as they should.
That's not juxtaposing at all. That's like me saying Rand Paul is a socialist. But hey that's just a juxtaposition.
Freedom of assembly is explicitly guaranteed in the First Amendment, securing the right of people to meet for any purpose connected with government. Trump is running for president, therefore he's connected to the government. Thus you're allowed to protest at his rallies. And keep in mind I'm just point out the hypocrisy that was your statement about the left and freedom of speech. Freedom of speech applies to everyone, however freedom of speech protects you from persecution from the government. A person is more than welcome to shutdown your speech, just like a corporation is more than welcome to shut down your speech. The government however can not. You can not be jailed for speaking your mind. Do I think protesters should be kicked out events? Yes, but you're just being hypocritical in saying that protesters are restricting freedom of speech when Trump is also restricting freedom of speech.
And no Trump is instigating violence at his rallies. You don't seem this form of violence at Cruz rallies, at Rubio rallies, or any other rallies. Because they're not spitting violent rhetoric. Like how Trump said he'd like to "punch him in the face" when talking about a protester who ejected from the event in Las Vegas. Trump's hateful rhetoric is enabling people to feel as if people who disagree with them are below them. A protester at Bernie Sanders rally was wearing a Trump shirt and was kicked out of the event. Not one punch was thrown by a supporter, a few boos but no violence. Compare that to when a black man was ejected from the venue for protesting and a trump supporter came over and punched him, then later the attacker said he would kill the man next time. Now I'm just curious to see if Trump will pay the mans legal fees, probably not considering Trump has a truth percentage of 7%...
Abu-BaghdadiThat's not juxtaposing at all. That's like me saying Rand Paul is a socialist. But hey that's just a juxtaposition.
Freedom of assembly is explicitly guaranteed in the First Amendment, securing the right of people to meet for any purpose connected with government. Trump is running for president, therefore he's connected to the government. Thus you're allowed to protest at his rallies. And keep in mind I'm just point out the hypocrisy that was your statement about the left and freedom of speech. Freedom of speech applies to everyone, however freedom of speech protects you from persecution from the government. A person is more than welcome to shutdown your speech, just like a corporation is more than welcome to shut down your speech. The government however can not. You can not be jailed for speaking your mind. Do I think protesters should be kicked out events? Yes, but you're just being hypocritical in saying that protesters are restricting freedom of speech when Trump is also restricting freedom of speech.
And no Trump is instigating violence at his rallies. You don't seem this form of violence at Cruz rallies, at Rubio rallies, or any other rallies. Because they're not spitting violent rhetoric. Like how Trump said he'd like to "punch him in the face" when talking about a protester who ejected from the event in Las Vegas. Trump's hateful rhetoric is enabling people to feel as if people who disagree with them are below them. A protester at Bernie Sanders rally was wearing a Trump shirt and was kicked out of the event. Not one punch was thrown by a supporter, a few boos but no violence. Compare that to when a black man was ejected from the venue for protesting and a trump supporter came over and punched him, then later the attacker said he would kill the man next time. Now I'm just curious to see if Trump will pay the mans legal fees, probably not considering Trump has a truth percentage of 7%...
It's not just Trump, these leftist activist losers on college campuses protest and shut down the events of anyone who doesn't conform to social justice dogma. This isn't just about Trump, it's about leftist social justice fanatics that think they can limit free speech as they see fit.
Your argument also makes no sense, according to your logic protesters could go into any government building to protest. The first amendment only allows protester to assemble on public land, and not at private events, whether they be related to government or not. Or should protesters also be allowed into white house press conferences, senate sessions, and any number of government events?
CampeadorIt's not just Trump, these leftist activist losers on college campuses protest and shut down the events of anyone who doesn't conform to social justice dogma. This isn't just about Trump, it's about leftist social justice fanatics that think they can limit free speech as they see fit.
Your argument also makes no sense, according to your logic protesters could go into any government building to protest. The first amendment only allows protester to assemble on public land, and not at private events, whether they be related to government or not. Or should protesters also be allowed into white house press conferences, senate sessions, and any number of government events?
I'm not talking about the left though. I'm talking about Trump. Two wrongs don't make a right. And no I don't actually think you should be allowed to protest inside government buildings. All I was doing was pointing out your hypocrisy. And as for that, you mention the left. Hmm seems a bit similar to Trump supporters suppressing freedom of speech. Kashiya Nwanguma printed out two signs depicting trump has a pig. Quickly Trump supporters ripped apart her signs and started yelling racial slurs at her. So how come you get all pissed off when the left suppresses freedom of speech but not the right? Or does freedom of speech only apply to those who are spouting hateful rhetoric?
KravtZSick dude....give me a reason why you would vote for hilary or bernie over trump. I just don't get how people can support either. Trump isn't optimal obviously..but sure a hell of a lot better than the others
This.
His personality and tactics will absolutely rub some the wrong way but omg this is the most moderate Republican any of us will live to see and he isn't owned by the lobbyists it's a joke that so many people won't acknowledge this. If u are a Democrat u should think he's the best republican candidate since Lincoln or T Roosevelt if u don't ur a moron.