Magnus Graner Talks Being Dropped by Orage

b-dogPeace.
To clarify a little about my situation. I did not get dropped by Orage but also have not been offered anything else then to change my style of skiing and wear clothing that fits more like a wet suit, no more pro model or a penny. I ain't having that, strictly going for over sized garment... so l went with CL-95 which provided me an opportunity for this fortunately.
I could touch base on Orage's whole redirection scenario but don't feel like it is my role necessarily.

To S.J.W- my pro model jacket was the most sold out of any men's jacket from Orage, every year I had one... do some research before speaking ignorance.

One last thing to whomever- you must stop categorizing skiers as a street skier, a park skier, a backountry skier, a backyard skier or a whateva man skier... if you have slick sticks under your feets, it's a privilege and all the fucking same privilege, skiing.

S.J.WBring on the downvotes.

All you people complaining that Orage dropped their "newschool" side of skiing are idiots. You want Orage to support this area of skiing without you supporting Orage. Marketing works and if Magnus or B-dog or whoever actually sold products then they would still be on the team. But they didn't sell products, and that's why they got dropped. If you butt boys actually bought shit from Orage then they might have seen that their sponsorships were working and they would have kept them. Seriously, how many people actually have the Bdog jacket?

And on another note, Orage is still supporting newschool skiing. Oh so they're not sponsoring a skier who hits the street. You people do realise there's more than one aspect of newschool skiing. Big mountain, powder skiing, touring, it's all newschool skiing. They're not shifting into racing, or moguls.

So get over it, they dropped some people and picked up some people. Not like any other company has never dropped anyone ever... Maybe actually support companies you like and this won't happen instead of trend hopping on the next floral design or tight pant.

b-dogOne last thing to whomever- you must stop categorizing skiers as a street skier, a park skier, a backountry skier, a backyard skier or a whateva man skier... if you have slick sticks under your feets, it's a privilege and all the fucking same privilege, skiing.

b-dogPeace.
To clarify a little about my situation. I did not get dropped by Orage but also have not been offered anything else then to change my style of skiing and wear clothing that fits more like a wet suit, no more pro model or a penny. I ain't having that, strictly going for over sized garment... so l went with CL-95 which provided me an opportunity for this fortunately.

MeapAtleast they stick to skiing/boarding.

ehem, Jiberish, ehem...

MeapI mean like, whatafuck is this shit?

PachankzJiberish is more worried bout impressing black dudes than skiers. No doubt. Pete has jungle fever .

S.J.Wyour mum has jungle fever

GGWEver been fired from a job? I have. It sucks, but there isn't a shortage of outerwear companies these days. Go find a new one. I've watched a lot of my friends go through sponsors, it's just the way the game goes. It's not like orage is the first company to do this either. Remember when helly hansen dropped all their pow guys? mark abma, eric pollard... ect. guys that had a way bigger name and way bigger impact on the sport then a few urban skiers... I didn't see them bitching about it.

Sims is right here.

what are you gonna do?

b-dogPeace.
To clarify a little about my situation. I did not get dropped by Orage but also have not been offered anything else then to change my style of skiing and wear clothing that fits more like a wet suit, no more pro model or a penny. I ain't having that, strictly going for over sized garment... so l went with CL-95 which provided me an opportunity for this fortunately.
I could touch base on Orage's whole redirection scenario but don't feel like it is my role necessarily.

To S.J.W- my pro model jacket was the most sold out of any men's jacket from Orage, every year I had one... do some research before speaking ignorance.

One last thing to whomever- you must stop categorizing skiers as a street skier, a park skier, a backountry skier, a backyard skier or a whateva man skier... if you have slick sticks under your feets, it's a privilege and all the fucking same privilege, skiing.

OregonDead

This thing is Gore-Tex Pro. I have a couple of pieces from Orage that I I like but this jacket definitely seems like like a step up.

SBCSkierYou've always been great at twisting words!

This thread has more views than the original interview. Maybe that in itself is an issue.

simmersYou don't have to be everybody's friend. You do have to behave like a professional though. Hopefully prospective sponsors take the time to read this interview.

dylholeAnd those guys may have actually gotten paid alright by HH. Half of Orage's team could have made more money serving tables at a nice restaurant over the Christmas holiday in a ski town than signing a 12-month contract with a ski company.

simmersWhy didn't they do that then? That sounds like a way better deal.

simmersWhy didn't they do that then? That sounds like a way better deal.

hemlockjibber8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1GUQVo1Lps

Symms, Is that you at 1:48?

simmersNo I'm that guy in front of the sinks at 4:10

hemlockjibber8haha. But seriously, I legitimately thought that was you the first time I watched it.

PachankzThat thing looks like tommy hilfigger jacket from 1996.

PachankzThat thing looks like tommy hilfigger jacket from 1996. Brutal.

SBCSkierThis attitude sucks. Do you think his response is any less professional than the way they treated him and select members of their team? Professionalism is a two-way street, at least in our books. And can you really even use the word "professional" when they were most likely not paying him a dime?

It's a real shame more people don't have the motivation to speak their mind when they believe they have been wronged. If anyone out there is looking for a platform to do so, give me a shout at jason@sbcskier.com

Note that it wasn't just Magnus that was bumped off the team. It wasn't just park riders, and it wasn't just those who ski urban. It was guys like Chris Logan and Matt Margetts, who bust their ass off in the backcountry to put out quality content for free, like this --

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/807883/Move--BTS-NO--1---Mammoth---Cooke-City

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/812596/Seeking-Nirvana-Pt--1--Home

What about Andy Parry and all the great things he does with the TAFT? And Will Wesson, who arguably had the strongest X Games Real Ski edit. We're pretty sure Tatum Monod took home a few accolades this winter as well. There are no more Orage Masters or even event sponsorships. And to our knowledge, there are no marketing dollars getting put back into the endemic industry.

Those are the facts. If a journalist can't reach out to athletes to get their honest opinions on said facts, then something is seriously wrong with the state of ski media.

PachankzThat thing looks like tommy hilfigger jacket from 1996. Brutal.

californiagrownHow did Orage treat their employees unprofessionally? I keep hearing from you chuckleheads that Orage fucked people over, but no reason as to why. Do you know when, or what circumstances led to the old Orage team being dropped?


Or are you just promoting tabloid journalism void of any fact checking or research of your own?

VANULARYour not far off, It's actually a remake of the "Snow Beach" polo Ralph Lauren jacket from 94'

BWalmerIt's been made pretty clear what happened in this thread. And yeah, SBC hasn't released an article about what happened...because the only person involved who has said anything is Magnus. Orage refuses to comment, the other athletes refuse to comment. Literally the only side of the story that has gone on record is Magnus', so there isn't much of a story other than this interview. They've made it very clear in this thread that they've reached out to everyone involved, if no one wants to say anything, all that's left is speculation. That being said, as I said before, I do know what happened from a few different athletes perspectives and it was pretty lame, there's no arguing that - which is probably why Orage is refusing comment, it seems like they're aware that the way they handled this situation is pretty shitty (but that is speculation).

californiagrownHow did Orage treat their employees unprofessionally? I keep hearing from you chuckleheads that Orage fucked people over, but no reason as to why. Do you know when, or what circumstances led to the old Orage team being dropped?


Or are you just promoting tabloid journalism void of any fact checking or research of your own?

BWalmerThey've made it very clear in this thread that they've reached out to everyone involved, if no one wants to say anything, all that's left is speculation. That being said, as I said before, I do know what happened from a few different athletes perspectives and it was pretty lame, there's no arguing that - which is probably why Orage is refusing comment, it seems like they're aware that the way they handled this situation is pretty shitty (but that is speculation).

simmershttps://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/Thank-Newschoolers

Maybe you could go on record?

simmershttps://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/Thank-Newschoolers

Maybe you could go on record?

simmersGuy who used to work for clothing company encourages skiers formerly sponsored by clothing company to vent online. Groundbreaking.

SBCSkierGladly. Does someone have a question for us?

SBCSkierWe're a one man wrecking crew doing our best to keep things real.

SBCSkierHere is what Matt Margett's had to say about the whole situation:

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Why were you dropped by Orage?

Matt: I am not entirely sure exactly why I was dropped by Orage, but what they told me was they were changing brand direction, which fortunately was the exact same direction my career path was heading. I was transitioning from competitive halfpipe skier back into full time backcountry filming. I honestly don't understand why Orage dropped me and I still am pretty crushed about it because I loved the brand, history, and most importantly the product.

Did you inform them of this transition?

Matt: Absolutely! I informed Mike Nick about my transition last season when I talked about it in my Orage interview with Mike in the basement lounge of that hotel in Nelson. I even talked with the new owner and manager or whatever he is at Orage, about my plans for the rest of my career, how long I've been with Orage, and how stoked I am to continue a relationship them on my new venture. Everything went sideways when Mike Nick left the company.

simmersOne boy flexing crew.

JudMaster4Didn't line drop like their whole team once?
Dropping athletes is part of owning a skiing company once people don't represent your brand the way you want them to you drop them

simmersOne boy flexing crew.

jensenLine dropped their ENTIRE team except Pollard a while back. All you people so up in arms over this probably wouldn't give a second thought to supporting Line now.

Mr.BishopSo wait, actually to clarify this a bit:

What you're saying is that Orage was willing to continue with you as long as you wore different cloths and skied different terrain?

When you Say "No more pro model or a penny" does this mean they wouldn't increase your contract, wouldn't renew it or that the offer presented was bad?

It would really be great to get some clarity here Phil if you can give it. Factual evidence in this situation will help us all better understand what happened and where to place our opinions in the future.

b-dogYes Orage was willing to continue if i wore different clothes and ski different terrain without offering me anything, no money or compensation was brought forth.

PachankzWell at least you get to wear a 90's polo jacket now ! ;)

BWalmerIt's been made pretty clear what happened in this thread. And yeah, SBC hasn't released an article about what happened...because the only person involved who has said anything is Magnus. Orage refuses to comment, the other athletes refuse to comment. Literally the only side of the story that has gone on record is Magnus', so there isn't much of a story other than this interview. They've made it very clear in this thread that they've reached out to everyone involved, if no one wants to say anything, all that's left is speculation. That being said, as I said before, I do know what happened from a few different athletes perspectives and it was pretty lame, there's no arguing that - which is probably why Orage is refusing comment, it seems like they're aware that the way they handled this situation is pretty shitty (but that is speculation).

SBCSkierWe have heard about multiple occasions of it happening, from multiple people. If you don't believe us when we say that or don't trust the integrity of our sources, then there's not much else we can do to change your mind. Most of the people who got fucked over have no idea why, and to be honest, neither do we. Yes, business is business, but there is some logic in avoiding bad business practices.

This isn't stuff we heard through the grapevine. We spoke to the majority of the dropped athletes and even some ex-staff. We reached out to Orage multiple times for comment, as we have mentioned multiple times throughout this thread.

You have Magnus's thoughts in the original post, Andy has chimed in before, and Phileven said that they asked him to ride flow and change his style if he wanted to stick around. That's after he had the best selling jacket for how many years in a row?

That's pretty unprofessional if you ask us -- and you wouldn't see that in any other business contracts or arrangements. Imagine if my boss called me up one day and asked me to work for free, and wear a suit to the office every day. I'm sure you could guess what I would tell them.

Here is what Matt Margett's had to say about the whole situation:

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Why were you dropped by Orage?

Matt: I am not entirely sure exactly why I was dropped by Orage, but what they told me was they were changing brand direction, which fortunately was the exact same direction my career path was heading. I was transitioning from competitive halfpipe skier back into full time backcountry filming. I honestly don't understand why Orage dropped me and I still am pretty crushed about it because I loved the brand, history, and most importantly the product.

Did you inform them of this transition?

Matt: Absolutely! I informed Mike Nick about my transition last season when I talked about it in my Orage interview with Mike in the basement lounge of that hotel in Nelson. I even talked with the new owner and manager or whatever he is at Orage, about my plans for the rest of my career, how long I've been with Orage, and how stoked I am to continue a relationship them on my new venture. Everything went sideways when Mike Nick left the company.

MiniMeDannyThere's clearly a potential conflict of interest from one side of this argument, but my question is how come you're so committed to backing Orage?