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Woo yeah fuck a brand for pursuing different things! We should all stay the same forever and ever! 100 years of the same! Never change! Stay core! Wooo!
hot.pocketWoo yeah fuck a brand for pursuing different things! We should all stay the same forever and ever! 100 years of the same! Never change! Stay core! Wooo!
entirely not the point, more so fuck a brand for entirely abandoning a segment of skiing that it claimed to be its heart for so many years. For an entire year their campaign was "respect the revolutionaries." So I'd like to clarify, fuck a brand for abandoning the skiing that i care about. Its possible to expand into other markets without alienating, so aggressively, the market you've pandered to for 10 years. Fuck a brand for cutting off athletes that had represented them for that time, without notice. Fuck a brand for not being decent people.
TallxTentirely not the point, more so fuck a brand for entirely abandoning a segment of skiing that it claimed to be its heart for so many years. For an entire year their campaign was "respect the revolutionaries." So I'd like to clarify, fuck a brand for abandoning the skiing that i care about. Its possible to expand into other markets without alienating, so aggressively, the market you've pandered to for 10 years. Fuck a brand for cutting off athletes that had represented them for that time, without notice. Fuck a brand for not being decent people.
You don't have to be everybody's friend. You do have to behave like a professional though. Hopefully prospective sponsors take the time to read this interview.
All you people complaining that Orage dropped their "newschool" side of skiing are idiots. You want Orage to support this area of skiing without you supporting Orage. Marketing works and if Magnus or B-dog or whoever actually sold products then they would still be on the team. But they didn't sell products, and that's why they got dropped. If you butt boys actually bought shit from Orage then they might have seen that their sponsorships were working and they would have kept them. Seriously, how many people actually have the Bdog jacket?
And on another note, Orage is still supporting newschool skiing. Oh so they're not sponsoring a skier who hits the street. You people do realise there's more than one aspect of newschool skiing. Big mountain, powder skiing, touring, it's all newschool skiing. They're not shifting into racing, or moguls.
So get over it, they dropped some people and picked up some people. Not like any other company has never dropped anyone ever... Maybe actually support companies you like and this won't happen instead of trend hopping on the next floral design or tight pant.
And can anyone tell how how Orage dropping a few skiers is any different to a skier dropping a brand for a new one? Like Wallisch signing with Scott over Amplid, Gus signing with Atomic over Armada, Mcrae signing with Scott over Amplid, Magnus signing with ON3P after winning superunkown and dropping whoever his flow sponsor was. If you want to be Mr nice guy when it comes to business then you're ultimately going to fail. Whether you're a skier or a brand.
simmersYou don't have to be everybody's friend. You do have to behave like a professional though. Hopefully prospective sponsors take the time to read this interview.
Sponsors don't care as long as you can ski. I know this for a fact because I cannot ski therefor I was never sponsored.
And can anyone tell how how Orage dropping a few skiers is any different to a skier dropping a brand for a new one? Like Wallisch signing with Scott over Amplid, Gus signing with Atomic over Armada, Mcrae signing with Scott over Amplid, Magnus signing with ON3P after winning superunkown and dropping whoever his flow sponsor was. If you want to be Mr nice guy when it comes to business then you're ultimately going to fail. Whether you're a skier or a brand.
It wasn't just a few skiers, it was their whole park/urban guy team. And you seem to be missing point the point here, since none of those comparisons are remotely close to the Orage situation. This isn't someone signing with one company over another, this a massive ambassador of the park/urban skiing movement shutting it's doors on the side of the sport that made them what they are today.
jason...It wasn't just a few skiers, it was their whole park/urban guy team. And you seem to be missing point the point here, since none of those comparisons are remotely close to the Orage situation. This isn't someone signing with one company over another, this a massive ambassador of the park/urban skiing movement shutting it's doors on the side of the sport that made them what they are today.
And back to my original point. Maybe if you supported Orage, and Orage saw return in their investments for Bdog and Magnus and whoever else they had, maybe they wouldn't of dropped everyone. You want Orage to support park skiing, then make sure they see a return in their investment. If you want everyone to sing Kumbaya and be friends, then business is not the place for it.
And can anyone tell how how Orage dropping a few skiers is any different to a skier dropping a brand for a new one? Like Wallisch signing with Scott over Amplid, Gus signing with Atomic over Armada, Mcrae signing with Scott over Amplid, Magnus signing with ON3P after winning superunkown and dropping whoever his flow sponsor was. If you want to be Mr nice guy when it comes to business then you're ultimately going to fail. Whether you're a skier or a brand.
actually magnus was riding for coreupt but then they got corrupted by satan. So magnus has been nice guy whole time just fucked over twice fam. #magnuslookslikeaniceguy
simmersYou don't have to be everybody's friend. You do have to behave like a professional though. Hopefully prospective sponsors take the time to read this interview.
"Pro" skiers don't have a code of conduct. Our sport should be about more than just pleasing your sponsors.. that's selling out. Good on him for speaking his mind even when it'll make his past/present/future sponsors unhappy. There are plenty of other "professionals" out there to smile and hold up there energy drinks while they avoid commenting on anything real in their interviews.
simmersYou don't have to be everybody's friend. You do have to behave like a professional though. Hopefully prospective sponsors take the time to read this interview.
This attitude sucks. Do you think his response is any less professional than the way they treated him and select members of their team? Professionalism is a two-way street, at least in our books. And can you really even use the word "professional" when they were most likely not paying him a dime?
It's a real shame more people don't have the motivation to speak their mind when they believe they have been wronged. If anyone out there is looking for a platform to do so, give me a shout at jason@sbcskier.com
Note that it wasn't just Magnus that was bumped off the team. It wasn't just park riders, and it wasn't just those who ski urban. It was guys like Chris Logan and Matt Margetts, who bust their ass off in the backcountry to put out quality content for free, like this --
What about Andy Parry and all the great things he does with the TAFT? And Will Wesson, who arguably had the strongest X Games Real Ski edit. We're pretty sure Tatum Monod took home a few accolades this winter as well. There are no more Orage Masters or even event sponsorships. And to our knowledge, there are no marketing dollars getting put back into the endemic industry.
Those are the facts. If a journalist can't reach out to athletes to get their honest opinions on said facts, then something is seriously wrong with the state of ski media.
simmersYou don't have to be everybody's friend. You do have to behave like a professional though. Hopefully prospective sponsors take the time to read this interview.
And see that Magnus isn't a total fucking sellout, and isn't afraid to speak his mind.
S.J.WMarketing works and if Magnus or B-dog or whoever actually sold products then they would still be on the team. But they didn't sell products, and that's why they got dropped. If you butt boys actually bought shit from Orage then they might have seen that their sponsorships were working and they would have kept them. Seriously, how many people actually have the Bdog jacket?
And on another note, Orage is still supporting newschool skiing. Oh so they're not sponsoring a skier who hits the street. You people do realise there's more than one aspect of newschool skiing. Big mountain, powder skiing, touring, it's all newschool skiing. They're not shifting into racing, or moguls.
We'd love to see the stats to back up those statements. From our knowledge, many members of the team were actually doing a great job of pushing product. We could be wrong though -- so we're eager to see your evidence.
They are also no longer supporting many skiers who shred big powder, spend their winters powder skiing, and love a day touring around the backcountry. They didn't just drop two urban skiers in this situation.
Is the company doing good financially is the first question that comes to mind. Maybe the reason they dropped so many people is because it wasn't affordable. Either way they were looking for a larger profit margin, I just wonder if the justification for this was greed or more company stability.
Look at the current team. It's a total of 13 people. They didn't just pull out of free skiing, they pulled out of the ski market in general.
Didn't Orage start as an outwear company marketing more towards backcountry/big mountain riding? So isn't this them just going back to their roots? So blaming them for not sticking to their roots is kind of silly.
S.J.WSeriously, how many people actually have the Bdog jacket?
Ever been to a hill in Québec? A shit load of people rock bdog jackets. Sure it used to be more popular than it is now but I still see plenty other sick Orage gear in the park every time I go ski. They had a huge following in the park community and I thought they had a pretty good balance of backountry/park gear, seems odd to just give that up. Just my .02
I'm glad someone finally said what they were thinking instead of pussyfooting around the question/situation. Big ups Magnus.
**This thread was edited on Feb 15th 2016 at 7:00:51pm
I would definitely like to bring something up here which I learned at SIA.
I met with the marketing manager of Orage there. Obviously, she was less than thrilled on the content we've put out over this situation (read: really upset). I can understand and respect that.
The thing is - I was prepared to and did stick to my guns in this meeting around the idea that we support our editorial staff and community's opinions and their right to express them. I was pretty hardline on the fact that I know Orage likely isn't going to be contributing any ad dollars to us in the future and that is fine.
However - I was presented with some interesting information that got lost in the whole thing.
Yes, they did drop a few people. Yes, they are taking a modified direction. However:
They didn't drop Phil. Phil chose to leave the brand. I absolutely can not speak to what happened behind closed doors, but from the Marketing Manager's mouth - she stated they were really willing to continue supporting Phil going forwards and he decided to leave. They experienced a major drop in sales over the last few years, and as such had to dramatically reduce budget and focus on the areas which were still generating sales for them. This led to some really hard decisions, and likely (speculation on my part) to some directional decisions that made some team members less than happy to keep working with the brand under the new reality they were facing.
She also highlighted how much she felt horrible about having to drop a few people, and wished there was a way to assist them in finding new sponsors that were a better fit. Budget and direction dictated that changes had to be made to focus on an area where sales were happening for their brand and get out of places where it was not.
I'm really not defending their decision at all, but its important before we go on a crusade that we do our best to have all the information. I still really see them going in a different direction, but at least the knowledge that Phil quit and wasn't dropped is something that requires more investigation.
Just wanted to put that knowledge out into the world. I encourage everyone to speak their minds, but would love to hear more about what really happened behind the scenes.
SBCSkierWe'd love to see the stats to back up those statements. From our knowledge, many members of the team were actually doing a great job of pushing product. We could be wrong though -- so we're eager to see your evidence.
They are also no longer supporting many skiers who shred big powder, spend their winters powder skiing, and love a day touring around the backcountry. They didn't just drop two urban skiers in this situation.
I don't have any numbers. I'm just applying basic marketing logic. Why would you drop someone that sells products?Atomic wouldn't drop Gus, Armada wouldn't drop Henrik. Now one could also argue that with the slowing down of Canadas economy and the rise of the American dollar that financially Orage is in the shit.
VinnieFDidn't Orage start as an outwear company marketing more towards backcountry/big mountain riding? So isn't this them just going back to their roots? So blaming them for not sticking to their roots is kind of silly.
Straight from their site's history section.
"Once the twin-tip revolution hit in 1997, Orage was the only ski-specific outerwear brand at the time who could identify with "new school skiers"; and through their understanding of this new generation of skiers, Orage was poised to make a global impact as the leader of the exploding freeski movement.
A few short years later, Orage opened up shop south of the border in Burlington, VT, which would serve as home to the U.S. sales and marketing team as well as jumping across the pond with a European headquarters based in Annecy, France. At this time, the Orage brand was becoming a favorite amongst the rapidly growing freeski community,supporting events such as the World Ski and Snowboard Festival, the launching the Orage European Freeski Open in Switzerland, and putting together a roster of team riders who represented the diverse, forward thinking, and passionate company. The idea of "progression before podiums" drove the Orage brand to support skiers who were dedicated to pushing the sport of skiing in new directions by focusing on style, new tricks, and new ways to use the terrain.
Before long, Orage's creative and innovative approach to marketing led to the brand's first proprietary competition, which was as revolutionary as the brand itself. The no-attitude, no-rules event appropriately termed "the Orage Masters" immediately attracted the attention of the entire freeski community. With the spirit of a freestyle competition of the 70's mixed with modern day terrain and trickery, the "Masters" was a venue unavoidable to the world's top skiers who came ready to compete head to head in an "anything goes", costume clad, skier-judged slopestyle event.
With the success of the Masters, Orage immediately became synonymous with "on hill good times and a determination to be unique", where the only rule is that there are no rules. The brand represented those who live in a world where a constant state of change is a constant way of life, skiers who exist solely for the purpose of enjoying the mountains to the fullest and those who appreciate innovation through style"
i can't believe they dropped these guys, I mean Phil was the person that made me want their products and he was on their team for some years along with all the other dudes. Really stupid how a company can just let them go after their park riders are the reason they have had their success. I mean how blindsiding would that feel? Definitely won't be supporting them anytime soon.
S.J.WI don't have any numbers. I'm just applying basic marketing logic. Why would you drop someone that sells products?Atomic wouldn't drop Gus, Armada wouldn't drop Henrik. Now one could also argue that with the slowing down of Canadas economy and the rise of the American dollar that financially Orage is in the shit.
A personal response to a few of your points here, but I'd first like to say that I'm happy to be having this conversation and seeing others' perspectives on it.
I purchased 2 Orage jackets in 4 years. Also I rode a pair of Orage skis for 3 years and was always stoked to talk about them and speak positively of the brand whenever someone asked about the skis.
I'm sure there is truth to what you are saying of course. That is a larger issue that us consumers are at fault for. We are too quick to buy something cheap, or something not from a core brand which forces hands on branding decisions such as these. So to everyone I remind you that yours dollars are a vote you cast for what you want skiing to be. Buy from the brands that are supporting the skiing you love.
Also fun fact, but Henrik isn't on Armada outerwear anymore, just skis.
Mr.BishopJust wanted to put that knowledge out into the world. I encourage everyone to speak their minds, but would love to hear more about what really happened behind the scenes.
Challenge accepted. We actually reached out to them multiple times for a statement, but never got a response. If they aren't putting out communications, the athletes are really the only other way to get a peek behind the curtain.
We recently spoke to Marge about the situation in an upcoming interview, and when we asked Logan about it, he simply said "no comment".
SBCSkierStraight from their site's history section.
"Once the twin-tip revolution hit in 1997, Orage was the only ski-specific outerwear brand at the time who could identify with "new school skiers"; and through their understanding of this new generation of skiers, Orage was poised to make a global impact as the leader of the exploding freeski movement.
A few short years later, Orage opened up shop south of the border in Burlington, VT, which would serve as home to the U.S. sales and marketing team as well as jumping across the pond with a European headquarters based in Annecy, France. At this time, the Orage brand was becoming a favorite amongst the rapidly growing freeski community,supporting events such as the World Ski and Snowboard Festival, the launching the Orage European Freeski Open in Switzerland, and putting together a roster of team riders who represented the diverse, forward thinking, and passionate company. The idea of "progression before podiums" drove the Orage brand to support skiers who were dedicated to pushing the sport of skiing in new directions by focusing on style, new tricks, and new ways to use the terrain.
Before long, Orage's creative and innovative approach to marketing led to the brand's first proprietary competition, which was as revolutionary as the brand itself. The no-attitude, no-rules event appropriately termed "the Orage Masters" immediately attracted the attention of the entire freeski community. With the spirit of a freestyle competition of the 70's mixed with modern day terrain and trickery, the "Masters" was a venue unavoidable to the world's top skiers who came ready to compete head to head in an "anything goes", costume clad, skier-judged slopestyle event.
With the success of the Masters, Orage immediately became synonymous with "on hill good times and a determination to be unique", where the only rule is that there are no rules. The brand represented those who live in a world where a constant state of change is a constant way of life, skiers who exist solely for the purpose of enjoying the mountains to the fullest and those who appreciate innovation through style"
Just sayin'
but they were around for like 8 years before 97. They're roots are not in newschool skiing. They just just adapted as it came along and went for the ride. Now with backcountry exploding I guess they're just adapting once again.
It would be interesting to know, did they sponsor athletes pre-newschool skiing? And if so did they have any rider shake-ups once that sort of skiing really took off?
simmersYou don't have to be everybody's friend. You do have to behave like a professional though
You see, Magnus is what you would call a "real one". Common symptoms include a severe lack of chill, abnormally large testicles, and complete disregard for criticism.
And on another point, the ski community sounds so immature at the moment. Quicksilver (you know that surfing brand) is currently filing for bankruptcy and they've dropped alot of surfers. Is there any butthurtt out cry from the surf community? I've seen none. Shit happens, this is business.
Dunno why the last SBCSkier comment was deleted, but in response, there's more backcountry in Quebec than you'd think. I really don't know the specific crowd they were catering to back in 89 when they started, but it certainly wasn't what we call newschool skiing. I'd imagine it wasn't racing either. I thought Bishop had mentioned somewhere that more backcountry stuff was what they originally made, and that's totally possible in Quebec.
SBCSkierWe recently spoke to Marge about the situation in an upcoming interview, and when we asked Logan about it, he simply said "no comment".
This is how you professionally handle parting ways with an employer. Going out and trashing them the first chance you get on a public platform is the worst way to market yourself to potential future employers.
Mr.BishopThey didn't drop Phil. Phil chose to leave the brand. I absolutely can not speak to what happened behind closed doors, but from the Marketing Manager's mouth - she stated they were really willing to continue supporting Phil going forwards and he decided to leave.
Just wanted to put that knowledge out into the world. I encourage everyone to speak their minds, but would love to hear more about what really happened behind the scenes.
this is what I've been fucking saying but no one believed me. Trust me I was livid about orage changing then I talked to banks a few days after the official news came out and he told me Tatum left for north face and Phil left by choice and a few other skiers and with the team falling apart and sales dropping the company said we have no choice but to change and after that talk I wasn't mad at all I felt bad for orage all the kids hating but didn't know the entire story (myself included) when its just a company that was a little down in the dumpster and had to climp out the other way i get it and plan to still suport them. Its shitty some great skiers lost a big sponsor but its better than having the company just go bankrupt or some shit
TallxTAlso fun fact, but Henrik isn't on Armada outerwear anymore, just skis.
whats your source? not starting shit, just curious because really liked the edollo collection. Also I assume phil will get some pro model outerwear.
SBCSkierThis attitude sucks. Do you think his response is any less professional than the way they treated him and select members of their team? Professionalism is a two-way street, at least in our books. And can you really even use the word "professional" when they were most likely not paying him a dime?
It's a real shame more people don't have the motivation to speak their mind when they believe they have been wronged. If anyone out there is looking for a platform to do so, give me a shout at jason@sbcskier.com
Note that it wasn't just Magnus that was bumped off the team. It wasn't just park riders, and it wasn't just those who ski urban. It was guys like Chris Logan and Matt Margetts, who bust their ass off in the backcountry to put out quality content for free, like this --
What about Andy Parry and all the great things he does with the TAFT? And Will Wesson, who arguably had the strongest X Games Real Ski edit. We're pretty sure Tatum Monod took home a few accolades this winter as well. There are no more Orage Masters or even event sponsorships. And to our knowledge, there are no marketing dollars getting put back into the endemic industry.
Those are the facts. If a journalist can't reach out to athletes to get their honest opinions on said facts, then something is seriously wrong with the state of ski media.
Your attitude sucks. I know you think you're being a hard hitting journalist here, but really you're just being an idiot kid. Looks to me like Orage had some contracts which they faithfully fulfilled and then decided not to renew. Sure, there are going to be some hurt feelings with the skiers who don't get a re-up. But Orage is still sponsoring some legit skiers, from what I can see on their website. And all these legit skiers have been through "getting dropped" and managed to take it with some measure of grace, which is why they're still getting sponsored today.
When a skier signs with a sponsor, the skier has the obligation to rep that brand for the contract period and no longer. Likewise, the brand has the obligation to support that skier according to the contract terms for the length of the contract and no longer. Magnus's contract with Orage no doubt had a "non-defamation clause," which stated that he would not make any negative statements to the public for a set time period after his relationship with Orage ended. This is a commitment that Magnus made to Orage and subsequently broke. And of course, you helped him do it, you modern-day Upton Sinclair, you.
Being a professional means meeting your end of the bargain. In both skiing and sectors of society where people do real work, contract expirations like this happen all the time. There are disappointments, there are hurt feelings, there are bruised egos. But the people who win in the long run, the people you could describe as "professionals," are the people who suck it up and say "thanks for supporting me while you did."
I guarantee every person who is currently sponsored by Orage could tell you a story about when a sponsor didn't come through like they thought they would. The difference between them and Magnus is they sucked it up like adults. You and your little buddy Magnus might think that you're sticking it to The Man. But really, you're just looking like a couple of little children, running your mouths about a company that has put a large amount of money and support behind freeskiing for a decade, and from the looks of it, is continuing to do so today.
Magnus's statements are those of a sore loser. They make him look bad, they make you look bad, and they make skiers look bad. Thankfully, there are plenty of skiers out there with plenty of talent, plenty of motivation and plenty of class, ready to replace him and look great doing it. You're not as hard to replace as you think you are.
In the mean time, maybe SBC Skier can sponsor Magnus. And maybe you can write a "fuck you" story about every sponsor that ever didn't renew a contract. Keep fighting the good fight, buddy.
My biggest point on the matter is that Orage didn't leave these skiers to starve. Will Wesson, Phil Casabon and Magnus are hot commodities in the industry and will surely get picked up by big brands who will treat them better.
Sure what Orage did wasn't cool but they definitely didn't completely fuck up their lives. EVERYONE that got dropped are amazing skiers and their talent will shine better with other companies.
Didn't line drop like their whole team once?
Dropping athletes is part of owning a skiing company once people don't represent your brand the way you want them to you drop them
simmersYour attitude sucks. I know you think you're being a hard hitting journalist here, but really you're just being an idiot kid. Looks to me like Orage had some contracts which they faithfully fulfilled and then decided not to renew. Sure, there are going to be some hurt feelings with the skiers who don't get a re-up. But Orage is still sponsoring some legit skiers, from what I can see on their website. And all these legit skiers have been through "getting dropped" and managed to take it with some measure of grace, which is why they're still getting sponsored today.
When a skier signs with a sponsor, the skier has the obligation to rep that brand for the contract period and no longer. Likewise, the brand has the obligation to support that skier according to the contract terms for the length of the contract and no longer. Magnus's contract with Orage no doubt had a "non-defamation clause," which stated that he would not make any negative statements to the public for a set time period after his relationship with Orage ended. This is a commitment that Magnus made to Orage and subsequently broke. And of course, you helped him do it, you modern-day Upton Sinclair, you.
Being a professional means meeting your end of the bargain. In both skiing and sectors of society where people do real work, contract expirations like this happen all the time. There are disappointments, there are hurt feelings, there are bruised egos. But the people who win in the long run, the people you could describe as "professionals," are the people who suck it up and say "thanks for supporting me while you did."
I guarantee every person who is currently sponsored by Orage could tell you a story about when a sponsor didn't come through like they thought they would. The difference between them and Magnus is they sucked it up like adults. You and your little buddy Magnus might think that you're sticking it to The Man. But really, you're just looking like a couple of little children, running your mouths about a company that has put a large amount of money and support behind freeskiing for a decade, and from the looks of it, is continuing to do so today.
Magnus's statements are those of a sore loser. They make him look bad, they make you look bad, and they make skiers look bad. Thankfully, there are plenty of skiers out there with plenty of talent, plenty of motivation and plenty of class, ready to replace him and look great doing it. You're not as hard to replace as you think you are.
In the mean time, maybe SBC Skier can sponsor Magnus. And maybe you can write a "fuck you" story about every sponsor that ever didn't renew a contract. Keep fighting the good fight, buddy.
If you think the point of that interview was to stick it to the man and provide some hard hitting journalism, then you kind of missed the point. It was one question out of 25+, and we didn't even name Orage. Should we have we omitted his answer? Not asked about it in the first place? It's not like we went out flaunting the fact to garner views -- we didn't even mention it in any of our social posts. I could be wrong, but this thread alone is proof that people want to, at least, have this discussion.
I have no problem with you thinking I look like an idiot kid either. And if athletes want to share their sponsor stories -- whether they be good or bad, we're here to provide the platform. If you don't want to read that kind of content, there are plenty of other alternatives out there. I'm truly sorry that you thought that interview was a "fuck you" story. =
Maybe Magnus is wrong for not wanting to be a professional skier. We personally have no qualms with that, and encourage him to keep being himself, both on and off the slopes. Hopefully, skiers will have more ways to do so in the future while still finding ways to pay the bills.
SBCSkierIt's a real shame more people don't have the motivation to speak their mind when they believe they have been wronged. If anyone out there is looking for a platform to do so, give me a shout at jason@sbcskier.com
Probably gonna get downvored as fuck but oh well. I really don't think it's fair to completely trash Orage... Honestly all most of us have seen/heard was that they dropped their riders, which we now know some left on their own. I have yet to see anything from Orage explaining their decision so unless I'm missing something, we don't have a full story.
A company doesn't just drop everything like that without reason. Sometimes you have to make hard decisions that don't really have the best initial outcomes if you want to move forward. Obviously I don't know any of the numbers or the reasoning but I highly doubt it was unjustified. That would be a horrible decision on their part and that just doesn't happen. Maybe they went about it wrong and made some mistakes but I think it's silly how many people are talking shit without really knowing the full story.
Give them a chance and see what happens in the upcoming years. Maybe it works out for them, maybe it doesn't. You never know!!
Ever been fired from a job? I have. It sucks, but there isn't a shortage of outerwear companies these days. Go find a new one. I've watched a lot of my friends go through sponsors, it's just the way the game goes. It's not like orage is the first company to do this either. Remember when helly hansen dropped all their pow guys? mark abma, eric pollard... ect. guys that had a way bigger name and way bigger impact on the sport then a few urban skiers... I didn't see them bitching about it.
simmersWhen a skier signs with a sponsor, the skier has the obligation to rep that brand for the contract period and no longer. Likewise, the brand has the obligation to support that skier according to the contract terms for the length of the contract and no longer. Magnus's contract with Orage no doubt had a "non-defamation clause," which stated that he would not make any negative statements to the public for a set time period after his relationship with Orage ended. This is a commitment that Magnus made to Orage and subsequently broke.
This brings up an interesting point. To what extent does a "non-defamation" clause work. I'm not even really focusing on the Orage situation here.. in general if someone signs a contract, and gets wronged by the contractor, should the issue be brought to light or are they obliged by the clause to roll with the punches. If a contract gets terminated early, does a "non-defamation" clause still apply?
I guess I could answer my own question here and say.. it depends. Reminds me of a business ethics class discussion about whistle-blowing. In this situation, our discussion's fairly speculative so its hard to address this issue effectively.
MiniMeDannyThis brings up an interesting point. To what extent does a "non-defamation" clause work. I'm not even really focusing on the Orage situation here.. in general if someone signs a contract, and gets wronged by the contractor, should the issue be brought to light or are they obliged by the clause to roll with the punches. If a contract gets terminated early, does a "non-defamation" clause still apply?
I guess I could answer my own question here and say.. it depends. Reminds me of a business ethics class discussion about whistle-blowing. In this situation, our discussion's fairly speculative so its hard to address this issue effectively.
If you're wronged by a party in your contract, you work it out with them or you go to court to work it out. You do not appeal to the public.
