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We'll have a full review on the Kartel 108 out on Blister soon, (as well as reviews on the full Wren series) so keep an eye out for that.
For now, I'll just say, if I was given the choice of only one ski for everything next year I'd be looking at that Kartel 108 (or if I knew it was going to be a baller snow year in the Teton's I'd go K 116)
cydwhitWe'll have a full review on the Kartel 108 out on Blister soon, (as well as reviews on the full Wren series) so keep an eye out for that.
For now, I'll just say, if I was given the choice of only one ski for everything next year I'd be looking at that Kartel 108 (or if I knew it was going to be a baller snow year in the Teton's I'd go K 116)
Wren 108 is more my jam currently for an everyday. That ski has warp drive.
If I already have a pow ski would I be better off with a K98 as my primary all mountain ski? Especially since my pow skis are 116 underfoot. I'm thinking they'll be a little better for ripping up the hard stuff and I can leave the really deep days to the fat ski. Plus I have shreditor 102s right now and I'm not really wanting for anything wider for everyday stuff.
I'm 16, 5'11" 185lbs intermediate east coast skier, I ski 80% park 20% everywhere else I rarely see powder maybe 2 or 3 days a season, (70%rails 30%jumps) I like my skis buttery , should I go for filthies, Kartel 98s or wait out on the Magnus?
Shoey-SkiI'm 16, 5'11" 185lbs intermediate east coast skier, I ski 80% park 20% everywhere else I rarely see powder maybe 2 or 3 days a season, (70%rails 30%jumps) I like my skis buttery , should I go for filthies, Kartel 98s or wait out on the Magnus?
Wait for the Magnus - they're going be exactly what you're looking for.
SconnieMoving to J Hole next summer... Billygoat or Kartel 116? I have little experience in deep snow so i can't decide.
Already have the Kartel 98's and Jeffrey 114's. The kartel 98's are the best skis I've ever ridden.
Billy Goat, I have been using a 122 underfoot ski as my powder ski at Alta. After demoing the BG I will be switching to the BG for next season and won't look back. If you are going to use them as a pretty powder specific ski it may be advisable to jump one size bigger, at least that's what I was suggested.
Honestly imo those Magnus graphics are brutal. I used to not care about graphics but since I started riding on3ps and am still on my 2011 filthies, when you have to live with it for 4 years+ it matters
Others will disagree, but I'd suggest you guys either change the graphic or start making crappier skis
dbchiliHonestly imo those Magnus graphics are brutal. I used to not care about graphics but since I started riding on3ps and am still on my 2011 filthies, when you have to live with it for 4 years+ it matters
Others will disagree, but I'd suggest you guys either change the graphic or start making crappier skis
No harm in saying you are not a fan of the graphic. The majority of the response has been positive, and as with a lot of graphics, I think it looks better on a ski than in an image online.
That said, almost every model & size next year will be available with a ton of custom topsheet options, so if you are looking to replace your FR finally with a Magnus, but don't like the graphic, you should be set.
iggyskierNo harm in saying you are not a fan of the graphic. The majority of the response has been positive, and as with a lot of graphics, I think it looks better on a ski than in an image online.
That said, almost every model & size next year will be available with a ton of custom topsheet options, so if you are looking to replace your FR finally with a Magnus, but don't like the graphic, you should be set.
Well there's your negative feedback you wanted...;)
You guys should all go check out Scotts (iggy) interview on blister gear review. It was a good listen.
TheRackerIf I already have a pow ski would I be better off with a K98 as my primary all mountain ski? Especially since my pow skis are 116 underfoot. I'm thinking they'll be a little better for ripping up the hard stuff and I can leave the really deep days to the fat ski. Plus I have shreditor 102s right now and I'm not really wanting for anything wider for everyday stuff.
Sorry this got missed.
The K98 (in its various iterations) has been my all mtn/park/spring choice since 2009. I tend to be a bit jibby in how I use it, so if you're similar minded, it'll be right on the money.
If you think more directionally, the Wrenegade 98 is a wonderful choice that's more chargy.
The K98 (in its various iterations) has been my all mtn/park/spring choice since 2009. I tend to be a bit jibby in how I use it, so if you're similar minded, it'll be right on the money.
If you think more directionally, the Wrenegade 98 is a wonderful choice that's more chargy.
I would absolutely love to get both skis, but I think I'm going to just stay with the K98 then. Maybe in a few years I'll pick up a wrenegade for charging around the mountain, but I think the K98 will be perfect for all mountain with some park mixed in, and I'll break out the wider skis when there's a decent amount of good snow. Thanks for the input.
I`m thinking hard about getting me a Kartel108 for next season.
My Quiver: K2 Shreditor 92 184 and Atomic Bent Chetler 192
Im not to sure of what size to get, I`m 6`4 and weigh around 90kg.
I would take it to the park then and now, but for strictly park days i would keep the K2. Though 191 sounds like a lot of ski and if Blister is correct the 186 is 186,5.
What you think? Thanks in advance
I`m thinking hard about getting me a Kartel108 for next season.
My Quiver: K2 Shreditor 92 184 and Atomic Bent Chetler 192
Im not to sure of what size to get, I`m 6`4 and weigh around 90kg.
I would take it to the park then and now, but for strictly park days i would keep the K2. Though 191 sounds like a lot of ski and if Blister is correct the 186 is 186,5.
What you think? Thanks in advance
I`m thinking hard about getting me a Kartel108 for next season.
My Quiver: K2 Shreditor 92 184 and Atomic Bent Chetler 192
Im not to sure of what size to get, I`m 6`4 and weigh around 90kg.
I would take it to the park then and now, but for strictly park days i would keep the K2. Though 191 sounds like a lot of ski and if Blister is correct the 186 is 186,5.
What you think? Thanks in advance
I was actually in a very similar situation about 2 seasons ago. I had a pair of caylors (120 waist) and a pair of filthys for the park but was considering something in between. I ended up getting a pair of Jeffries which are 110 waist
Now I'd say I spend 70% of my days on my Jeffries. They're such awesome skis. I can duck into the park and rip a few laps, then go ski shin high powder and never have to change skis or feel like I'm sacrificing performance in either aspect.
The only regret you will probably have is that you didn't just buy the kartels in the first place, and then buy the other two later instead. Honestly best money I've spent on ski equipment in 10 years.
iggyskierNo harm in saying you are not a fan of the graphic. The majority of the response has been positive, and as with a lot of graphics, I think it looks better on a ski than in an image online.
That said, almost every model & size next year will be available with a ton of custom topsheet options, so if you are looking to replace your FR finally with a Magnus, but don't like the graphic, you should be set.
personally i love the magnus graphic and really hope it is available as a custom top sheet to go on the Kartel 114....
I'm really stoked about ON3P's new gear for this season as well, but wondered if I could get some ideas / advice on what to go for.
I was initially on the lookout for a dedicated touring ski - which meant that I was getting super excited about the Steeple. However, I'm a little concerned that the 174cm length might not be right for me (I'm around 165cm in height).
Do you guys think that the Jessie would suit me better, since I'm female? The length seems a little bit more like it (171m) - although there's not much in it - but I wasn't really looking to purchase an all-mountain ski like this.
Feeling a bit stuck, and wondered if any of you could make a suggestion to help me make a decision. For some reason I've never been that interested in ski models designed specifically for girls - is it time for me to consider a purchase like this a bit more seriously?
I'm really stoked about ON3P's new gear for this season as well, but wondered if I could get some ideas / advice on what to go for.
I was initially on the lookout for a dedicated touring ski - which meant that I was getting super excited about the Steeple. However, I'm a little concerned that the 174cm length might not be right for me (I'm around 165cm in height).
Do you guys think that the Jessie would suit me better, since I'm female? The length seems a little bit more like it (171m) - although there's not much in it - but I wasn't really looking to purchase an all-mountain ski like this.
Feeling a bit stuck, and wondered if any of you could make a suggestion to help me make a decision. For some reason I've never been that interested in ski models designed specifically for girls - is it time for me to consider a purchase like this a bit more seriously?
Best,
Faith
Hey Faith, pretty sure one of the gang from On3p will feed back to you but from my perspective I think you would probably be fine on the 174 steeple if it's a dedicated tourer that you need. Like you said its only 3cm difference so you would hardly notice. I have not had either skis in my hand so cannot tell you the weight difference but pretty sure you could find out from next years catalogue or directly from Scott. Just drop them an email, they are super helpful..
I'm really stoked about ON3P's new gear for this season as well, but wondered if I could get some ideas / advice on what to go for.
I was initially on the lookout for a dedicated touring ski - which meant that I was getting super excited about the Steeple. However, I'm a little concerned that the 174cm length might not be right for me (I'm around 165cm in height).
Do you guys think that the Jessie would suit me better, since I'm female? The length seems a little bit more like it (171m) - although there's not much in it - but I wasn't really looking to purchase an all-mountain ski like this.
Feeling a bit stuck, and wondered if any of you could make a suggestion to help me make a decision. For some reason I've never been that interested in ski models designed specifically for girls - is it time for me to consider a purchase like this a bit more seriously?
Best,
Faith
Food for thought, the weight of the Jessie 100 at 171 and the Steeple 102 at 174 are the basically the exact same weight (give or take a couple grams). So as far as weight goes, you'll be fine either way. As far as how they ski - they're fairly different skis. The Steeple is directional and traditionally mounted further back while the Jessie is slightly more center mounted with a more symmetrical shape (not fully symmetrical, but close.) Also, the Steeple has Reverse-Elliptical Sidecut, which the Jessie does not, which helps it surf a bit better than other skis, but does take away some of the carvability. I hope that helps a bit.
I'm really stoked about ON3P's new gear for this season as well, but wondered if I could get some ideas / advice on what to go for.
I was initially on the lookout for a dedicated touring ski - which meant that I was getting super excited about the Steeple. However, I'm a little concerned that the 174cm length might not be right for me (I'm around 165cm in height).
Do you guys think that the Jessie would suit me better, since I'm female? The length seems a little bit more like it (171m) - although there's not much in it - but I wasn't really looking to purchase an all-mountain ski like this.
Feeling a bit stuck, and wondered if any of you could make a suggestion to help me make a decision. For some reason I've never been that interested in ski models designed specifically for girls - is it time for me to consider a purchase like this a bit more seriously?
Best,
Faith
Depends on what sort of skier you are. If you charge it and send it, the Steeple might be the ticket. If you want something more playful at the sacrifice of not being as great of a tour ski, I'd go Jessie, and maybe even mount a bit back of the line if it'll be used in the BC more than resort for those sticky icky pow spring days.
I am 6'2" 200 lbs, should I go with a 184 steeple 112, or a 189 steeple 102 for Mt Baker sidecountry?
The steeple 112 is awesome, but the 184 seems a tad short. However I will be more exploratory, not charging all the time, since its my first year up there. If that ends up being the case, and theres a lot of tight trees or whatever, Im sure the 184 will be fine, and maybe even ideal?
What leads me to the 102, besides it being the right length, is that I already have a deep day touring ski, so this would be more for day-in, day-out conditions, and might also cover spring touring if I cannot afford to buy another, lighter setup just for that..
GlacierGoatI am 6'2" 200 lbs, should I go with a 184 steeple 112, or a 189 steeple 102 for Mt Baker sidecountry?
The steeple 112 is awesome, but the 184 seems a tad short. However I will be more exploratory, not charging all the time, since its my first year up there. If that ends up being the case, and theres a lot of tight trees or whatever, Im sure the 184 will be fine, and maybe even ideal?
What leads me to the 102, besides it being the right length, is that I already have a deep day touring ski, so this would be more for day-in, day-out conditions, and might also cover spring touring if I cannot afford to buy another, lighter setup just for that..
I'd personally go 112. You're gonna want that extra width in that heavy snow even if the length is a tad shorter. That's just me but since it's not your deep pow tour ski then you could go either way, I'm just saying I'd go 112
.lenconI'd personally go 112. You're gonna want that extra width in that heavy snow even if the length is a tad shorter. That's just me but since it's not your deep pow tour ski then you could go either way, I'm just saying I'd go 112
Thanks for the reply. I had the 189 steeple 112 last year, and found it really easy to ski. Im still worried the 184 will be too short for me. Im heavy and ski hard, I find the 191 Billy Goat to be easy to ski, nvm a 184 steeple... I just dont think I can size down that much without it being a compromise. I aint spending $500 for a compromise. .
While the 189 steeple 102 is a little thin, it still has RES, which should work in heavy pow under a foot. When its over a foot, i'll take out my fatties.. However being 102 underfoot, I really would want something without RES, to better facilitate spring touring.
Maybe I should just stick with on3p for inbounds, and go with something else for this purpose? Lighter, 110ish underfoot, all mountain shape, and sized right (186-189cm)
GlacierGoatThanks for the reply. I had the 189 steeple 112 last year, and found it really easy to ski. Im still worried the 184 will be too short for me. Im heavy and ski hard, I find the 191 Billy Goat to be easy to ski, nvm a 184 steeple... I just dont think I can size down that much without it being a compromise. I aint spending $500 for a compromise. .
While the 189 steeple 102 is a little thin, it still has RES, which should work in heavy pow under a foot. When its over a foot, i'll take out my fatties.. However being 102 underfoot, I really would want something without RES, to better facilitate spring touring.
Maybe I should just stick with on3p for inbounds, and go with something else for this purpose? Lighter, 110ish underfoot, all mountain shape, and sized right (186-189cm)
I mean you could get wrenegades if you don't want RES for touring, but if you are fine with touring maybe a new steeple 108? that would be good
GlacierGoatThanks for the reply. I had the 189 steeple 112 last year, and found it really easy to ski. Im still worried the 184 will be too short for me. Im heavy and ski hard, I find the 191 Billy Goat to be easy to ski, nvm a 184 steeple... I just dont think I can size down that much without it being a compromise. I aint spending $500 for a compromise. .
While the 189 steeple 102 is a little thin, it still has RES, which should work in heavy pow under a foot. When its over a foot, i'll take out my fatties.. However being 102 underfoot, I really would want something without RES, to better facilitate spring touring.
Maybe I should just stick with on3p for inbounds, and go with something else for this purpose? Lighter, 110ish underfoot, all mountain shape, and sized right (186-189cm)
Gotta say that the reworked RES on the 16/17 BG is the best we've done yet. Probably 30% better edge hold than in the past, and that goes for the Steeple 108 and C&D as well.
GlacierGoatThanks for the reply. I had the 189 steeple 112 last year, and found it really easy to ski. Im still worried the 184 will be too short for me. Im heavy and ski hard, I find the 191 Billy Goat to be easy to ski, nvm a 184 steeple... I just dont think I can size down that much without it being a compromise. I aint spending $500 for a compromise. .
While the 189 steeple 102 is a little thin, it still has RES, which should work in heavy pow under a foot. When its over a foot, i'll take out my fatties.. However being 102 underfoot, I really would want something without RES, to better facilitate spring touring.
Maybe I should just stick with on3p for inbounds, and go with something else for this purpose? Lighter, 110ish underfoot, all mountain shape, and sized right (186-189cm)
At least with the widths of the Steeple series, you might be trying to stretch this ski a bit thin.
The RES on the Steeple 102 hooks up just fine on ice, crunchy refrozen silliness, and chalky windboard. However, many of the traditionally shaped skis at that waist width tend to suck in soft conditions, which are very much a part of spring skiing. You'll find that the 102 handles them a lot better.
Go long in your options because of your size/weight.
You also might consider the Steeple 108 as well, as it has enough girth to handle deeper days but isn't too wide to consider for a spring option.
