Freeride World Tour could learn a thing or two from Redbull Rampage

BogsIt's a freeride competition, not a park competition. Those mountains are big enough and the lines are hard enough without manufacturing bullshit features into them.

If you want to watch people slide rails and hit kickers, just watch slopestyle competitions or park edits. There are plenty of them out there.

ianrich511Rampage is a freeride competition and those lines in Utah are plenty big enough, but the still add features to make the competition more intense. Park edits/slopestyle are not the same. Honestly, you sound like a pussy not thinking this is a great idea.

ianrich511Honestly, you sound like a pussy not thinking this is a great idea.[/QUOTENo, you just think it's a great idea because it was your idea. It wasn't my idea, and I can see, from an objective viewpoint, that it's a stupid fucking idea.

The lines they ski in Chamonix, Verbier, Alaska, etc. are a couple steps up from the Red bull events. Again, it's a freeride competition. Adding slopestyle elements goes against the whole point of a big mountain competition. If you can't appreciate that kind of skiing for what it is, and feel the need to see slopestyle features artificially added to some of the gnarliest runs on earth, then stick to red bull events. They do exist, after all.

ianrich511Rampage is a freeride competition and those lines in Utah are plenty big enough, but the still add features to make the competition more intense. Park edits/slopestyle are not the same. Honestly, you sound like a pussy not thinking this is a great idea.

I wanna see some spine surfing to 2 on to a rail to 900 out into a powdery couloir. Trust me, it will be the next step in progression of the sport.

ianrich511I wanna see some spine surfing to 2 on to a rail to 900 out into a powdery couloir. Trust me, it will be the next step in progression of the sport.

animatorBut how do you propose skiers with skis 115+ mm wide sliding rails?

ScottBExcept after redbull added those features both progression and injuries went up and after seeing their shitty job with medical staff and how they treat their riders I think the freeride world tour is smart by staying as far away as possible from adding features.


Just watch Redbull Cold rush, its literally what you are thinking of

ScottBExcept after redbull added those features both progression and injuries went up and after seeing their shitty job with medical staff and how they treat their riders I think the freeride world tour is smart by staying as far away as possible from adding features.


Just watch Redbull Cold rush, its literally what you are thinking of

.bozOP has never heard of cold rush

MinggGood luck convincing a Big Mountain skier to hit a rail on their 120mm underfoot pow skis with sharp edges...

DrailWanna know how I know you don't ski mountains?

Bogshahaha, love it. So classic ns. OP starts a thread with a stupid idea asking for other people's opinions on it, everyone says they think its a stupid idea, and op gets mad and starts trying to act like a tough guy.

OP, if you didn't want people to tell you what they thought of your idea, why did you ask for people's thoughts about what they thought of your idea?

ianrich511First off, let me just say, I love the freeride world tour, skiers cup, and all that but each time I see a run I am always wishing to have seen more. I know the lines are epic, but would it be to much to ask to have a giant tube rail heli'd in or a kicker built to add to the extremeness. Like Redbull rampage, you don't have to hit the features you if you don't want to, but it will help your score if you do.

Is the type of thinking to forward, is this the next stage, thoughts?

ianrich511Honestly, you sound like a pussy not thinking this is a great idea.

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ianrich511Yeah, cause those skiers are worried about their skis that they got for free.

dan4060Anyone who does not think this is a good idea is a pussy? This is an absurd comment, even for NS.

Titsandwich11i agree completely OP, the FWT definitely needs this. they also need racing gates, and those big hoops they use as goals in quidditch

californiagrownYeah. Long, super duper stiff skis, with razor sharp edges aren't the most jibby skis out there.


The other issue you aren't thinking of is the size of venue. Rampage is tiny, both in vertical and acreage compared to a FWT venue. Creating bottlenecks and super bombed out landings isn't conducive to a skiers health especially during low tide or shit snow conditions.


Basically, you have no concept of either sport, or either event and should probably stick to the Midwest garbage dump you local hard at.

ianrich511Wanna know how I know your mom should have swallowed?

cydwhitYou're from Illinois and your profile literally says "what's a a mountain?" So I think he is making a valid point.

I agree up to a point that the concept is sort of cool, but I think your examples and responses got stupid pretty fast.

Cold Rush is a good example, of a potential way to do this, as well as snowboarding's Ultranatural.

But really, do you even watch the FWT? There are plenty of sick tricks getting thrown.

ianrich511Yeah, cause those skiers are worried about their skis that they got for free.

ianrich511Wanna know how I know your mom should have swallowed?

ianrich511Is it? Doubtful.

dan4060You calling someone a pussy because they don't agree with you is pretty silly. If you put an idea out there and people don't respond well take it in stride The people who objected to your idea had very good reasons for doing so. Most people here don't seem to agree with you, which is no big deal. I don't begrudge you for throwing the idea out there, but calling people out for not agreeing with you is pretty silly. The guy calling the idea stupid is not really a big deal.

If you ever looked at a line in a serious freeride contest I don't think you would feel that it needs kickers or anything like that. I've seen lines that people have skied at Squaw, and believe me the 60 foot airs on Granite Peak don't need kickers. Taking a line from Light Towers to Cornice 2 also does not need a kicker added, ripping apart that terrain in what are usually bad conditions is gnarly enough. If you comprehend what those guys are doing, often in very tough conditions, you will not see the need to add a kicker or a rail. Besides, tricks should not be all that big of a factor in a contest like this. For a comparison, look at mogul skiing. Tricks should be part of the equation, but far from the whole thing. The most important thing is to ski the bumps perfectly, THEN the jumps are added, which is how it should be. Someone who skis the bumps at a middle of the pack level should not win the contest just because he throws the best tricks. I think Moseley should have won in 2002 because he skied the bumps perfectly AND blew everyone else away with his dinner roll. If he had skied the bumps in a sloppy manner I would not have supported him. The winner should be the guy who combines perfect technique WITH great tricks. There are contests where tricks mean everything, bumps and big mountain are not among them.

I think people who want kickers on the FWT are looking at tricks as too important. It should be about big mountain skiing, then what you add in. Events like the Cold Rush are there to take into account the trick factor, the FWT should not be reduced to who does the best and most stylish trick.

The guy who talked about racing gates and rails was kidding with you. I can't tell if you got that or not as my sarcasm meter is broken.

Anyway, just enjoy the Cold Rush, it is a sick contest in its own right. You also might enjoy the Red Bull Linecatcher. http://www.zapiks.fr/red-bull-linecatcher-2010-2.html

The line catcher is about mixing tricks into big mountain where it is about the tricks first and foremost. You still have to be a big mountain skier to win, but it is about big mountain mixed with freestyle. The FWT is separate from that and should remain so.

Anyway, enjoy the video. The contest you want is out there, it just won't be the FWT.

ScottBExcept after redbull added those features both progression and injuries went up and after seeing their shitty job with medical staff and how they treat their riders I think the freeride world tour is smart by staying as far away as possible from adding features.


Just watch Redbull Cold rush, its literally what you are thinking of

skiermanYou're just as ignorant as the moron who made this thread. Its funny seeing kids who watched the live stream of Rampage for the 1st or 2nd time and now they're experts on the event and the history of it.

Rampage has always been dangerous and always had serious injuries, pre-built features or not. Some of the biggest injuries never occur on these features but rather on the much more gnarly lines/drops the riders make themselves. I'd love to see this stat that more injuries occur because of the pre-built features but I bet you just pulled that out of your gaper ass, along with the claim that the medical staff is a joke.

Its funny seeing kids like this who don't have a clue and hop on the joey bandwagons to pretend they know what they're talking about.

ianrich511Yeah, cause those skiers are worried about their skis that they got for free.

MinggGood luck convincing a Big Mountain skier to hit a rail on their 120mm underfoot pow skis with sharp edges...

ianrich511Yeah, cause those skiers are worried about their skis that they got for free.

Mingghahahahahaha. You are missing the whole point.

skiermanAnd to the idiot who made this thread, big mountain/freeriding is vastly different in MTBing than it is in skiing. A shit ton of preparation has to go into a line for MTBing unless you're riding in the 4 spots on Earth that allow you to just hike up and ride down like you see in skiing.

ScottBYeah you caught me, I did pull that out of my ass, but making a 70 foot canyon gap for riders to use is forcing some riders to go outside of their own comfort zones to hit that gap adding the opportunity for injury (in my opinion)

Also for the medical staff, anyone with any medium to advanced medical training would
1. NEVER let that guy get up on his own

2 let him finish his run

That kind of injury is what spinals look like.

ianrich511Unless your referencing the fact that the skis are 120 underfoot, and therefor incapable of sliding a rail, I think I got the entirety of your point mingg.

LonelyIt makes sliding a rail a whole lot riskier, while they're already doing what is arguably one of the more dangerous types of skiing.

Also earlier you said 2 on to 9 off...do you understand how rail tricks work? Have fun tokyodrifting on steep pow

ScottBAlso for the medical staff, anyone with any medium to advanced medical training would
1. NEVER let that guy get up on his own

2 let him finish his run

That kind of injury is what spinals look like.

ScottBAnd incase you want to say I'm not educated enough to prove that the medical staff made an unforgettable choice I am certified in first aid and I have had about a 20 minute discussion with one of my profs about redbull, the event, and this scenario

californiagrownThis actually made me laugh out loud.

MinggGood luck convincing a Big Mountain skier to hit a rail on their 120mm underfoot pow skis with sharp edges...

ianrich511Rampage is a freeride competition and those lines in Utah are plenty big enough, but the still add features to make the competition more intense. Park edits/slopestyle are not the same. Honestly, you sound like a pussy not thinking this is a great idea.

I wanna see some spine surfing to 2 on to a rail to 900 out into a powdery couloir. Trust me, it will be the next step in progression of the sport.

ianrich511Never slid a rail or even touched powder, so please, tell me how rail tricks work.

ianrich511Never slid a rail or even touched powder, so please, tell me how rail tricks work.

saskskierA) While I'm not great, I've hit rails with my New Life's (121 underfoot) without issue
B) Do big mountain skiers sharpen their edges? I mean I guess it depends on conditions, but if you have any kind of decent snow, you definitely don't need sharp edges. Heck, if you've got great snow, you don't need edges at all.

ozzywrongHahaha can you fell the burn..

ScottBComgrats, you took my most dickish statement out of context

CabbyArrantThat's all well and good OP but there is an element of risk to this as well. You forget that this was rampages worst year for injuries, honestly introducing new features for athletes to huck for the sake of scores seems like a way to get someone killed. I like seeing people progress the sport but it's becoming an increasing problem for athletes to do this safely. I'm not about to ask them to throw shit when I probably couldn't come close to skiing their line of choice.

LonelyEver done math either? 900+270=landing sideways instead of forwards or backwards