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californiagrownSwitch skiing, jumping off stuff, and skiing fast is significantly more dangerous than standard psia taught skiing haha. Those folks don't want that atmosphere. They want a safe, pampered, upper crust experience. Otherwise, why wouldn't they save a couple bucks and go ski atvtge more laid back resort with better terrain?
I think the split we have now is great. The shitty, flat resorts are the pretentious, upper crust spots, and the laid back resorts generally have the rad terrain. They like their culture and we like ours. If either of us wants a taste of the others resort and culture we are more than welcome.
StaticYea, there's a divide now, but it's going away. Vail's operations plan is the future of lift accessed skiing in the US at least, apparently you don't give a shit, some of us do. But don't act there's something wrong with calling these shitty companies and their shitty practices out.
californiagrownDo you not think many people enjoy and appreciate the way Vail runs their resort?
StaticThey do, and luckily for bible belt families every resort will be run that way eventually, that's the point I was making in response your your "2 types of ski areas" theory. You know of any ski areas without SLOW signs?
W.parkAfter reading the whole thread, there probably isnt much I could say to change anybodys mind, but as a full time patroller Ill say a few things just for some insight. DISCLAIMER: I do not patrol at a vail resort so I cant really attest to why the patrollers there seem to have such shitty attitudes, but I can say that every rule is there for a reason.
1. Every rope, slow sign, no jumping sign, closed sign or caution sign is most likely there because of some previous accident where someone was seriously injured. Patrol doesn't gather in the locker room plotting the best ways to ruin the locals days. Our main goal is, believe it or not, to help.
2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing. You do not have near as much control as when you are skiing forwards and you have a major blind spot in the shoulder you are not looking over.
3. No jumping signs are usually on cat tracks or knolls in high traffic areas. When you are in the air you have ZERO control of your direction and speed, leading to more accidents. There are plenty of places to get air on the mountain with a less likely chance of hitting some soccer mom with tunnel vision.
4. Slow signs are there for a reason as well. Do you really need to go mach 10 on the green or blue run that is in between the park and the lift? Just slow down. Nobody will pull your pass.
5. Dont duck a rope, it does not take that much time out of your day to go around to a gate or another trail.
To OP: Warnings stay on the computer for more than just one year. Im not exactly sure how long, but it ensures that nobody acts like a dumbass towards the end of the season and comes back next year with a clean slate.
dan4060I also would not run, you might get away but if you get caught I would think that would be an automatic suspension (maybe the troller above can weigh in) which is a whole lot worse than a warning.
W.parkWhere I work we are told not to chase people, it is a waste of time. In a situation where someone is injured, they are the priority, not the person breaking the rules.
Some mountains may instruct their patrollers to call down to security though, in which case the punishment will be much more severe.
W.park2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing.
crawleyThere it is. Hands down the dumbest thing I've ever read on NS.
crawleyThere it is. Hands down the dumbest thing I've ever read on NS.
SkiBum.They don't do shit like this in Europe because no one goes sue happy over there.
Kid, you broke the rules, that you obviously knew, 3 times. You're a dumbass and deserve your pass pulled.
UilyJeffI totally agree. You know the risks when doing dumb shit. We've all done it.
W.parkAfter reading the whole thread, there probably isnt much I could say to change anybodys mind, but as a full time patroller Ill say a few things just for some insight. DISCLAIMER: I do not patrol at a vail resort so I cant really attest to why the patrollers there seem to have such shitty attitudes, but I can say that every rule is there for a reason.
1. Every rope, slow sign, no jumping sign, closed sign or caution sign is most likely there because of some previous accident where someone was seriously injured. Patrol doesn't gather in the locker room plotting the best ways to ruin the locals days. Our main goal is, believe it or not, to help.
2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing. You do not have near as much control as when you are skiing forwards and you have a major blind spot in the shoulder you are not looking over.
3. No jumping signs are usually on cat tracks or knolls in high traffic areas. When you are in the air you have ZERO control of your direction and speed, leading to more accidents. There are plenty of places to get air on the mountain with a less likely chance of hitting some soccer mom with tunnel vision.
4. Slow signs are there for a reason as well. Do you really need to go mach 10 on the green or blue run that is in between the park and the lift? Just slow down. Nobody will pull your pass.
5. Dont duck a rope, it does not take that much time out of your day to go around to a gate or another trail.
To OP: Warnings stay on the computer for more than just one year. Im not exactly sure how long, but it ensures that nobody acts like a dumbass towards the end of the season and comes back next year with a clean slate.
scratchskier321I disagree with #2, just because you feel reckless and have a massive blind spot when you ski switch... Doesn't mean I do.
W.park1. Every rope, slow sign, no jumping sign, closed sign or caution sign is most likely there because of some previous accident where someone was seriously injured. Patrol doesn't gather in the locker room plotting the best ways to ruin the locals days. Our main goal is, believe it or not, to help.
2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing. You do not have near as much control as when you are skiing forwards and you have a major blind spot in the shoulder you are not looking over.
PeppermillRenoI think its pretty lame that people are getting their pass pulled for very minor shit and aren't trying to find out the dickhead who did it to them's personal info to get some revenge.
You better believe some motherfucker would be eating his food out of a straw if they did that to me.
japanadaWhat is the JH rope policy you of?
Soft closures are fair game to ride, hard closures are a no go. They make the definition with signage and the number of ropes. Basically if you can duck the rope, ride it. If there are two or three ropes and you just cant ride under, its a hard closure.
W.parkAfter reading the whole thread, there probably isnt much I could say to change anybodys mind, but as a full time patroller Ill say a few things just for some insight. DISCLAIMER: I do not patrol at a vail resort so I cant really attest to why the patrollers there seem to have such shitty attitudes, but I can say that every rule is there for a reason.
1. Every rope, slow sign, no jumping sign, closed sign or caution sign is most likely there because of some previous accident where someone was seriously injured. Patrol doesn't gather in the locker room plotting the best ways to ruin the locals days. Our main goal is, believe it or not, to help.
2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing. You do not have near as much control as when you are skiing forwards and you have a major blind spot in the shoulder you are not looking over.
3. No jumping signs are usually on cat tracks or knolls in high traffic areas. When you are in the air you have ZERO control of your direction and speed, leading to more accidents. There are plenty of places to get air on the mountain with a less likely chance of hitting some soccer mom with tunnel vision.
4. Slow signs are there for a reason as well. Do you really need to go mach 10 on the green or blue run that is in between the park and the lift? Just slow down. Nobody will pull your pass.
5. Dont duck a rope, it does not take that much time out of your day to go around to a gate or another trail.
To OP: Warnings stay on the computer for more than just one year. Im not exactly sure how long, but it ensures that nobody acts like a dumbass towards the end of the season and comes back next year with a clean slate.
hemlockjibber8Everything you said is quite legit. Except for switch skiing. It is not always reckless, just as forward skiing is. To give a warning solely for the fact that someone is skiing switch is bullshit. How about you wait for them to do something reckless then give them a warning. You should be able to see everything in front of you and a very large peripheral view, then you turn the other way, rotate which shoulder you look over and see everything else, including what's behind you. You can't see what's behind you when you ski forwards, sounds reckless. Snowboarders have a blindside, sounds reckless. I hope you are able to think about this properly next time. I also recommend heading to a quiet run and figuring out how to ski switch properly.
californiagrownDifference is, skiing switch is choosing to have significantly less control, and significantly worse sight. Both are choices the skier is making .
Jerry, and snowboarders aren't choosing to have less control and poorer sightlines.
hemlockjibber8Yes, I agree that skiing switch is more difficult. I do not believe it SIGNIFICANTLY reduces your ability to avoid dangers, but yes, you do have a harder time. Just like you do when you have super fat skis, goggles that are too tinted on a foggy day, boots that are ill fit and just choosing to ski on an icy day. My point still stands that skiing switch in itself is not grounds for punishment.
StaticYea, there's a divide now, but it's going away. Vail's operations plan is the future of lift accessed skiing in the US at least, apparently you don't give a shit, some of us do. But don't act there's something wrong with calling these shitty companies and their shitty practices out.
dan4060I also would not run, you might get away but if you get caught I would think that would be an automatic suspension (maybe the troller above can weigh in) which is a whole lot worse than a warning. I don't see that as worth the risk. Once again, the mountains have rules, right or wrong, and you just have to obey them. Otherwise you will continue to have difficulties.
californiagrownAnd it never is. It gets punished when folks do it on crowded runs or in crowded areas.
Nicholas.SuchyHahaha -75 ^^ shows you how much NSers hate you lol
You too ^
BortyVail is so shitty. It's so lame that they generally have 5 or so of the top 10 parks in the world every season. They suck so much.When I go to vail resorts I don't even hit the parks because I don't want to touch my skis to their corporate rails.
I'd much rather ride some inferior park in a place nobody has ever hear of because it's so underground, untapped, and so fucking core.
StaticNo one is complaining about their parks, or their high speed lifts or their fleet of snowcats, or even their popularity. Not sure what the point of your sarcastic little was.
