I keep having to crank the dins on my sth2 16s

shin-bangAlso while skiing by a group a ski patrollers one of the patrollers yelled and called me a swashbuckler. Compliment? Or insult? It doesn't really make sense to me

ElbowkushThis problem seems to have arisen recently with the new STH2 16s that are coming out of the binding factory in Târgu Muręs, Romania. Heaps of bindings are releasing early and the company is considering (or so I have heard from Company reps) to withdraw all the Bindings and have them inspected or replaced to check for the manufacturing fault. The problem seems to be that all the Large Horizontal Heal Springs in the rear of the binding have actually bean constructed from moulding gelatine into a spring shape. This has detrimental effects on the bindings strength. the company advertised the bindings with JTC technology (Jelly Technology Construction) which apparently gives an elastic sensation when engaging ski turns but seems to provide absolutely no structural integrity and inconsistent releases due to the 'jellification' of the bindings as soon as they are put in use.
My advice would be to buy some Full Tilts.

casualForward pressure? Toe height? It could be a million things. How old are your boots? Do you have worn toe piece and heel on your boot? Go to a shop, sign a waiver to legally release them from accountability and they can set your bindings at whatever you want beyond the manufacturers recommended on the chart. If you don't know what you're doing, don't touch your bindings.

GnarcotikThis was happening to a buddy of mine on a pair of sth 13's. Turns out his toe wings were not properly set. Did you check that? It something a lot of people miss and dont set properly.

shin-bangYes we took a look at them, but how exactly should they be? I read on tgr you want them just touching, but not tight. Correct or are they set wrong? The techs at my shop just glanced at them and said they were fine. But my shop sucks at literally everything they do

last_tangoThe pivot/fks/Nevada design has the second best retention settings in the industry next to the axial 3. The fks is always going to hold you better at lower values than the sth. I'm gonna get hate for it but you will have to ride higher release values if you are use to fks bindings. I have to run higher values on my sth over my fks or I pre release where my fks wouldn't. I'm a certified tech and my boots are new with proper adjustments with release values in range.

There is a reason why the basis of the Nevada design has been around since the 60s.

DingoSeanTMarker and Salomon make ridiculous high din bindings to make up for the fact that they lack any real mechanical elasticity, while look has never required it. Cracks me up when I hear reps from Marker and Salomon make claims when the proof is really in the pudding.

OregonDeadGiven what you have said about the shop I would take them to another shop to get them looked at. I have to think there is either something up with your set of bindings or the way they are set up. I don't think you should be able to pop yourself out in the lift line even if your din is set to 7 or 8. I have the sth2 13 wtr and I haven't run into any issues.

shin-bangSo i decided to switch from pivots to sth2 16. The shop set the new sths at an 8 ( which is normal) I ride a 10 so I moved them to ten. Even at 10 I pop out super easy, I leaned forward in the lift line and my heel easily popped out. Then I moved them to 11 And had 2 minor wrecks and they came off like they were at 9?? I ride my pivots at 10 in the toe and 11 at heel and it's perfect. I just find it odd I'm at 11 and popping out super easy. Do I need to go have a release test done? The forward pressure is set correctly, the head of the screw is flush with the mark and little tabs. (which was set by my shop and I just checked to make sure they were set right) so it's not forward pressure. Also my bsl is 302 and I'm 6'2 180 and aggressive skier.

So, take them to a shop? or bump the sths up to 12

Caucasian_AsianI know Marker used to make a Comp 30. So I hear you there.
Tyrolia makes 17/18/20 DIN race bindings. Salomon makes a 19 DIN and used to make a s920. So because 20 is 2 more than 18, that means that they're garbage?


I'm glad you cleared that up so I can go throw out my 916s.

DingoSeanThe Tyrolia's and Salomons were never as bad as the Markers.. those things had to be cranked to oblivion... that said, they did their job fine I suppose?

In any case, the Salomons and Markers in particular had to be cranked extra high and have very high tension springs to make up for the design. The Tyrolias actually have always been damn good bindings.

I'm not saying at all that they're garbage, i'm just stating the philosophy as to why look has never and will never put anything over 18 din in their race bindings. Even at a lower din, they tend to hold better more of the time than the other brands while still releasing when they should - and ESPECIALLY with the turntable heels when switch skiing is introduced.

In comparison to pretty much every marker binding, not so much the squires but definitely the jester/griffon/etc, the heel requires so much more tension, and therefore ejects the boot upwards before it fully releases it. The Looks have a far smoother release, and it's way easier on the knees - hence their popularity even when Look/Rossi stopped making them. Salomon and Tyrolia's heels tend to release much smoother than the markers as well so I've noticed... and in this case, it seems like it's possibly more of a design flaw from Salomon's standpoint rather than an actually poor design in the first place. I know on my STH's I have to crank them up to 12/13 or so, instead of 10/11, but at least they do seem to work right.

DingoSeanthe proof is really in the pudding.

shin-bangI like what you are saying, and it's accurate, after using both markers, fks, sth, and attacks the least amount.

your last statement, that's what I just barely figured out. After talking to Tom, my left wing was slightly loose, causing my pre release on my left ski. So that's fixed. But as din, I did a side by side comparison from fks to the sth heels . Fks were at 10.5 and ended up having to crank the sth to 12 to have them not start to release. I wish I could post vids via mobile to show what I'm saying.


but dingo Sean, I 100% agree with your statements above with my own experiences. Fks for the win but sth are beefy/solid

DingoSeanThe Tyrolia's and Salomons were never as bad as the Markers.. those things had to be cranked to oblivion... that said, they did their job fine I suppose?

In any case, the Salomons and Markers in particular had to be cranked extra high and have very high tension springs to make up for the design. The Tyrolias actually have always been damn good bindings.

I'm not saying at all that they're garbage, i'm just stating the philosophy as to why look has never and will never put anything over 18 din in their race bindings. Even at a lower din, they tend to hold better more of the time than the other brands while still releasing when they should - and ESPECIALLY with the turntable heels when switch skiing is introduced.

In comparison to pretty much every marker binding, not so much the squires but definitely the jester/griffon/etc, the heel requires so much more tension, and therefore ejects the boot upwards before it fully releases it. The Looks have a far smoother release, and it's way easier on the knees - hence their popularity even when Look/Rossi stopped making them. Salomon and Tyrolia's heels tend to release much smoother than the markers as well so I've noticed... and in this case, it seems like it's possibly more of a design flaw from Salomon's standpoint rather than an actually poor design in the first place. I know on my STH's I have to crank them up to 12/13 or so, instead of 10/11, but at least they do seem to work right.