NYE attacks in Cologne, Germany

It's all a farce. They should overthrow their government and create reform not bleed all over other countries. MUSLIMS Should stop acting helpless and do what is right, not invade other countries to further their own agenda. Our ancestors fought for their freedom, "refugees" want it handed to them.

CARTMANBRUHOur ancestors fought for their freedom, "refugees" want it handed to them.

please elaborate on this. should be pretty funny.

californiagrownplease elaborate on this. should be pretty funny.

i don't know enough ignorant people

californiagrownSee above, lol. The second stat "70% of males..." is easily fact checked and found to be incorrect.


Any more questions champ?

californiagrownhaha i caught you in two blatant lies, but im the one who has the problem providing evidence. sure buddy.

I have yet to see anything, besides a nonsense assertion that an accurate statistic is actually false, according to you, because in can be "easily fact checked".

So go ahead and provide an "easy fact-check", I'll wait.

Islamic migrants have now found a new target for sexual assaults of young girls, German public swimming pools.

Below is just one of various reports of sexual assault, sexual harassment, and lewd acts being committed by male migrants at public swimming pools.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400842/German-leisure-centre-ban-migrants-schoolgirl-sexually-assaulted-public-swimming-pool-Syrian-teenagers.html

Various public pools around Germany are now barring migrants from entering. If only they had done that at the border instead.

New placards meant to "educate" the migrants on proper behavior,

CampeadorI have yet to see anything, besides a nonsense assertion that an accurate statistic is actually false, according to you, because in can be "easily fact checked".

So go ahead and provide an "easy fact-check", I'll wait.

sure there champ: http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php


That was an awfully quick fact check, huh? Good enough source for you? I'll wait. Lol.

californiagrownsure there champ: http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php


That was an awfully quick fact check, huh? Good enough source for you? I'll wait. Lol.

So even your own sources (the pro-open borders UNHCR) essentially confirm that 50% are men, and the other 20% are male teenagers. You know, like the kind that sexually assault girls at public pools.

Maybe 11% are actual children at best.

Only 19% women! Those cowards left all the women behind! I guess it's in line with their Islamic culture. Women and children first is a Western concept, not shared by those under Islamic law.

Maybe they thought they'd be provided with pretty European girlfriends on arrival? Certainly explains their general behavior.

CampeadorSo even your own sources (the pro-open borders UNHCR) essentially confirm that 50% are men, and the other 20% are male teenagers. You know, like the kind that sexually assault girls at public pools.

Maybe 11% are actual children at best.

Only 19% women! Those cowards left all the women behind! I guess it's in line with their Islamic culture. Women and children first is a Western concept, not shared by those under Islamic law.

Maybe they thought they'd be provided with pretty European girlfriends on arrival? Certainly explains their general behavior.

oh man. The facts are starting to make you get creative with your theories huh?

Regardless of religion, these people are coming from sand land into a new world and they dont know how to behave. How is that such a crazy concept?? They are coming from a society of extreme oppression, these men and women have never seen a bikini before and they are losing their minds on a primal level. Why is this so hard to believe?

CARTMANBRUHRegardless of religion, these people are coming from sand land into a new world and they dont know how to behave. How is that such a crazy concept?? They are coming from a society of extreme oppression, these men and women have never seen a bikini before and they are losing their minds on a primal level. Why is this so hard to believe?

it's like hundreds of thousands of guys graduated from an all boys boarding school at once

but seriously. learn the rules, or go the fuck home.

CARTMANBRUHRegardless of religion, these people are coming from sand land into a new world and they dont know how to behave. How is that such a crazy concept?? They are coming from a society of extreme oppression, these men and women have never seen a bikini before and they are losing their minds on a primal level. Why is this so hard to believe?

Yes, the culture of their homeland is very different from the European culture and some folks will commit rude cultural feaux pas, and some will do worse (there is an asshole element in every population group).
What is your point here?

EUROPA ERWACHE

Perhaps one day Germany will realize this is suicide and peaceful integration is impossible

https://youtu.be/_OWMK-r7SLk

californiagrownYes, the culture of their homeland is very different from the European culture and some folks will commit rude cultural feaux pas, and some will do worse (there is an asshole element in every population group).
What is your point here?

Just making sure you understand what is going on

16-year old German girls details her experience with the opportunist migrants.

Germany is officially on suicide watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BCrL8kDRdI

Transcript:

Hello, you can read the newspapers but this video is about the real situation in Germany. I would like to tell everyone about this on Youtube and Facebook. I am almost 17. I would like everyone to know what is going on, what I am authentically feeling at this moment.
And I am so scared everywhere. For example, if my family and I go out together, or if I see a movie with my friends. Usually I stay at home, but sometimes I stay out until 6 pm in winter, and it is so scary. It is just very hard to live day-to-day life as a woman.

I just want to say that I am not a racist. But one day, a terrible thing happened at the supermarket. I ran all the way home. I was so frightened for my life. There's no other way to describe it.

My aunt and her friend have said you have to grow up. Why should we, children, have to grow up in such fear? It's not just me, my friends too. You can see on Facebook, a 17 year old attacked, a 15 year old attacked, two 12-year olds attacked, so many. It is really so sad that this is happening ... because of YOU PEOPLE. :(

I cannot understand why they do this. But more importantly, I cannot understand why Germany is doing nothing! Why is Germany standing by, watching, and then doing nothing? Please explain, why. Men of Germany, these people are killing your children, they are killing your women. We need your protection. We are so scared, we don't want to be frightened to go to the grocery store alone after sunset. The politicians live alone in their villas, drink their cocktails, and do nothing. They do nothing! I do not know what world they live in, but please, people, please help us! Please, do something! I cannot understand why this is happening. One day, my friend and I were walking down the street, and a group of Arabs were protesting and demonstrating. They shouted, "Allah! Allah! Allah is the one God! Kill those infidels! Allah Allah!" What should I do? Should I wear a burka? Why should I have to convert to Islam?

It's fine if you believe in Allah, but why do you want to make everyone else believe in Allah too? I just think it would be better if there were no religion. Stop trying to make everyone else believe in your God when they do not want to.

Please, people of Germany. Do something!

When I try to tell the authorities about what has happened, they hold their hand up towards me and they say it is a problem and then ignore it. and they laugh. It is unfair. They laugh at us. They say we are dumb. They think this not only of me, but of the entire state of Germany. They don't care about our fear. Please help us. This is an emergency! There are more and more of them.

One time in summer, the Muslims said we were sluts for walking outside in a t-shirt.

Yes, we were wearing t-shirts. It's summer!

Another day, I was wearing this. My friend and I purchased it while shopping hehe. If we feel like wearing it, we will wear it! And you Muslims have no right to physically assault or rape us for it! God willing, never in my life. You have no right to attack us because we are wearing t-shirts. You also have no right to rape.

The life of Germany has changed because these people cannot integrate. We give them so much help. We support them financially and they do not have to work. But they only want more babies and more welfare and more money. Men of Germany, please, patrol the streets and protect us. Do this for your women and your children. If you do that, I believe that we will have a chance.

This sort of action would be wonderful. We would be so grateful and thankful. So many thanks, if steadily, more men would come to protect us. We are so scared.

I am so upset about what Merkel has done.

Thank you, Angela Merkel, for killing Germany! I have no more respect for you, Merkel. I do not think you know what you have done. You do not see how our lives have changed. Open your eyes! Is this normal? Should I, a 16-year old who is almost 17, be so scared to walk outside my house? No, it is not normal. You have killed Germany!

This is the truth. We are no longer allowed to walk outside. We are no longer allowed to wear our clothes. We are no longer allowed to live the German life. This is the sad truth.

I think it's about time to end this video. I believe I have given a full account from a normal person. I hope others can see this and understand.

I only want to end with one message: Men, please, help your women. Help your children. I am so scared. My friends have the same fear. We are shocked that this has happened. I hope this video can convince you, and that this terrible events can stop.


And a very interesting comment on the video, take it for what it's worth:

I am a European migrant to Germany, student in a University. Where I come from this would not be tolerated, in fact it happened something similar where we had many thousands of non-European foreigners imported into our country but a new parliament was elected a few years later and they were all deported back to their home country, because they were committing crimes and abusing women and children.

Those were apparently violent times, I was not born yet. From the stories I hear from the older men, they would have to beat molesters to death in order to scare the other migrants in the neighborhood from going for the girls. It is not acceptable to important many hundreds of thousands of immigrants from a culture that doesn't have our values. Individualism, freedom, democracy, compassion, all of the beautiful things that the western world has created. They do not deserve our help if they will come and torment us. In the same way, most of the "refugees" and we know most of them are just economic migrants, do not deserve the German help. I am astounded that the men of Germany have not done much yet to show that this isn't acceptable behavior.

californiagrownoh man. The facts are starting to make you get creative with your theories huh?

As if the "facts" are definitive to one source. I'm sure the data they present contains errors, they're also an organization with a clearly stated pro-migrant agenda.

CampeadorAs if the "facts" are definitive to one source. I'm sure the data they present contains errors, they're also an organization with a clearly stated pro-migrant agenda.

I honestly cannot have a discourse with you if you are actually trying to say that the UN's refugee data is not a reliable, trustworthy source to see the demographics of the refugee populations.

I challenge you to find another source that has more reliable data, and has the scale of data the UN has haha.

You're absurd.

californiagrownI honestly cannot have a discourse with you if you are actually trying to say that the UN's refugee data is not a reliable, trustworthy source to see the demographics of the refugee populations.

I challenge you to find another source that has more reliable data, and has the scale of data the UN has haha.

You're absurd.

From the same person who discounts FBI investigations and US Federal Court documents, in addition to Germany's own version of the FBI, the BKA.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/crime-and-disorder-warning-after-influx-of-male-migrants/news-story/9ef5fbbb905b13532a5ec1b4cde653a2

"Of migrants registering in Greece and Italy, 66.2 per cent were male, according to the International Organisation for Migration. This imbalance may be reduced if men succeed in bringing their wives and children to join them. However, the gender disparity among unaccompanied teenage and child migrants is far greater and unlikely to be corrected."

"According to official statistics, two thirds of all migrants registering in Greece and Italy last year were male. A fifth of all those who reached the EU last year were under the age of 18; half had travelled alone. Of those, more than 90 per cent were boys."

I guess my theory turned out to be correct.

You've got your head too deep in the sand (I'll be nice and not say somewhere else).

UK also on suicide watch:

Yet another Muslim sex trafficking ring of underage British girls:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/18/rochdale-child-sex-abuse-six-men-charged


Calais migrants being given green light to enter Britain:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/12111377/Syrian-migrants-in-Calais-win-green-light-to-come-to-Britain.html

fab02Yeah thanks.Please give my NYT, Zeit, NZZ, FAZ or Guardian articles!

Some trustworthy websites
http://www.nytimes.com/

CampeadorIf you just get your news from censored, pro-migrant news sources, it's not wonder you're so blind.

But since you asked for the New York Times (a left-wing publication by all accounts), here you go:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/opinion/sunday/germany-on-the-brink.html

Some interesting parts:

"In Sweden, for instance, which like Germany has had an open door, 71 percent of all asylum applicants in 2015 were men. Among the mostly-late-teenage category of "unaccompanied minors," as Valerie Hudson points out in an important essay for Politico," the ratios were even more skewed: "11.3 boys for every one girl."

As Hudson notes, these trends have immediate implications for civil order — young men are, well, young men; societies with skewed sex ratios tend to be unstable; and many of these men carry assumptions about women's roles that are diametrically opposed to the values of contemporary Europe.

In the German case the important number here isn't the country's total population, currently 82 million. It's the twentysomething population, which was less than 10 million in 2013 (and of course already included many immigrants). In that cohort and every cohort afterward, the current influx could have a transformative effect.

But it could also double or treble this migration's demographic impact, pushing Germany toward a possible future in which half the under-40 population would consist of Middle Eastern and North African immigrants and their children.
If you believe that an aging, secularized, heretofore-mostly-homogeneous society is likely to peacefully absorb a migration of that size and scale of cultural difference, then you have a bright future as a spokesman for the current German government.

You're also a fool."

So I gave you the source you were looking for, what is your response to the content of the article regarding the very poor outlook for your nation?

Does it feel good to be a contributing part of your nation's demographic and cultural suicide?

Nobody seems to have a problem when German men rape German women. But God forbid that an Arab or an African do something untoward. Rape and sexual violence in Germany should be exclusively the right of white German males.

ESBNobody seems to have a problem when German men rape German women. But God forbid that an Arab or an African do something untoward. Rape and sexual violence in Germany should be exclusively the right of white German males.

Ah yes, another regressive liberal barging in with another false equivalency.

I don't quite recall any instances of German males being charged with 500+ sexual assaults in one night, or being part of organized rape gangs.

But perhaps you'd care to share?

Norway as a further example

"In the capital of Oslo 100% of assault rapes between strangers were committed by immigrant non-western males and 9 out of 10 of their victims were native Norwegian women."

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/808864/Oslo--Norway--100--of-rapes-committed-by---39-non-european-immigrants--39---muslims-

CampeadorAh yes, another regressive liberal barging in with another false equivalency.

I don't quite recall any instances of German males being charged with 500+ sexual assaults in one night, or being part of organized rape gangs.

But perhaps you'd care to share?

Norway as a further example

"In the capital of Oslo 100% of assault rapes between strangers were committed by immigrant non-western males and 9 out of 10 of their victims were native Norwegian women."

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/808864/Oslo--Norway--100--of-rapes-committed-by---39-non-european-immigrants--39---muslims-

Campeador, that video is a crock of shit, and even you should recognize that.

"In the capital of Oslo 100% of assault rapes between strangers were committed by immigrant non-western males"

So, your source is saying that in Oslo, not one Norwegian man has ever raped a Norwegian woman? Sounds pretty reliable to me...

We can go back and forth and cite different internet sources upholding our various positions all we want, but I have a feeling that isn't going to get us anywhere. How about we just hold a conversation like a pair of reasonable human beings instead?

There is no doubt that Europe is facing a huge challenge of integrating over a million migrants. There is also no doubt that some of those migrants don't know how to behave according to European custom and law—and as one previous poster pointed out, how should they? These are people who for the most part have absolutely no clue how Europeans actually live, and couldn't point out Germany on a map if you asked them (goes for most Americans too, while we're at it). All they know is that they have a better chance of life here in Europe than in their home countries which have been torn apart or at the least economically depressed due to the legacy of colonialism and continuing Western interference in the Arab world.

I have a huge amount of respect for Angela Merkel, Germany, Sweden and any country that lives up to their socially liberal posture, and takes in people who need help. As I said already, there's no question that this brings big and complicated challenges with it—not least among them radical, racist, xenophobic responses to the influx of strangers.

CampeadorFrom the same person who discounts FBI investigations and US Federal Court documents, in addition to Germany's own version of the FBI, the BKA.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/crime-and-disorder-warning-after-influx-of-male-migrants/news-story/9ef5fbbb905b13532a5ec1b4cde653a2

"Of migrants registering in Greece and Italy, 66.2 per cent were male, according to the International Organisation for Migration. This imbalance may be reduced if men succeed in bringing their wives and children to join them. However, the gender disparity among unaccompanied teenage and child migrants is far greater and unlikely to be corrected."

"According to official statistics, two thirds of all migrants registering in Greece and Italy last year were male. A fifth of all those who reached the EU last year were under the age of 18; half had travelled alone. Of those, more than 90 per cent were boys."

I guess my theory turned out to be correct.

You've got your head too deep in the sand (I'll be nice and not say somewhere else).

Yes, just like the UN report you discounted, it is 20% children, 50% males and 30% women. Are you trying to prove yourself right by proving yourself wrong? Lol.

And yes I will discount reports when very obvious, very easy to find statistics cited in those reports turn out to be Waaaay off. Soory, I like facts and truths.

CampeadorAh yes, another regressive liberal barging in with another false equivalency.

I don't quite recall any instances of German males being charged with 500+ sexual assaults in one night, or being part of organized rape gangs.

But perhaps you'd care to share?

Norway as a further example

"In the capital of Oslo 100% of assault rapes between strangers were committed by immigrant non-western males and 9 out of 10 of their victims were native Norwegian women."

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/808864/Oslo--Norway--100--of-rapes-committed-by---39-non-european-immigrants--39---muslims-

Haha what even is this bullshit.

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https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/808911/Hell-on-Earth--Migrants-chant--quot-fuck-you-quot--in-Fiery-Inferno-as-they-burn-down-Calais--quot-Jungle-quot--camp

beautiful isn't it guys?

soon though...soon

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/808912/Patriotic-Dutchmen-riot-outside-town-council-as-small-village-forced-to-accept-1-500-migrants

ESBCampeador, that video is a crock of shit, and even you should recognize that.

"In the capital of Oslo 100% of assault rapes between strangers were committed by immigrant non-western males"

So, your source is saying that in Oslo, not one Norwegian man has ever raped a Norwegian woman? Sounds pretty reliable to me...

Crock of shit you say? You may have a reading deficiency, it clearly states "between strangers".

Besides for the inconvenience for you that the report in the video is based off of official Norwegian crime statistics from the Norwegian police.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/808917/ALL-rapes-in-Oslo--Norway-are-by-Muslim-Asylum-Seekers

From this official rape crime report, though I doubt you can read Norwegian.

https://www.politi.no/vedlegg/lokale_vedlegg/oslo/Vedlegg_1309.pdf


This from a Muslim population that only makes up about 1.5% of the total population. See a correlation yet?

LonelyHaha what even is this bullshit.

You're laughing about a report covering official police statistics on violent rape of Norwegian women by Muslim men.

Reflect on that for a moment.

CampeadorCrock of shit you say? You may have a reading deficiency, it clearly states "between strangers".

Besides for the inconvenience for you that the report in the video is based off of official Norwegian crime statistics from the Norwegian police.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/808917/ALL-rapes-in-Oslo--Norway-are-by-Muslim-Asylum-Seekers

From this official rape crime report, though I doubt you can read Norwegian.

https://www.politi.no/vedlegg/lokale_vedlegg/oslo/Vedlegg_1309.pdf

But you, yourself are totally fluent in norwegian and can back check what youre talking about... right?

californiagrownYes, just like the UN report you discounted, it is 20% children, 50% males and 30% women. Are you trying to prove yourself right by proving yourself wrong? Lol.

And yes I will discount reports when very obvious, very easy to find statistics cited in those reports turn out to be Waaaay off. Soory, I like facts and truths.

Do you even read your own sources? My guess is no, which lends quite a bit of irony to your last sentence. It's an infographic, it can't be that difficult.

The UNHCR statistics you cit clearly show: 50% men, 19% women, and 31% children (those under 18).

If we take the UNHCR statistics and combine it with the data from the International Organization for Migration, which shows that 90% of those under 18 are male, then it would give the statistic that anywhere from 65% to 75% of the migrants are male (I believe the IOM claims between 65 to 67 percent).

Now, these migrant male teenagers are no problem, right?

Except for ones like the 15 year old that stabbed a 22-year old girl to death at an asylum center today in Sweden. Did I mention she worked there?

http://news.yahoo.com/migrant-fatally-stabs-swedish-refugee-centre-worker-police-151706582.html

californiagrownBut you, yourself are totally fluent in norwegian and can back check what youre talking about... right?

Did you even watch the Norwegian news report or listen to the police spokesperson?

I realize you have a short attention span, but give me a break.

CampeadorDid you even watch the Norwegian news report or listen to the police spokesperson?

I realize you have a short attention span, but give me a break.

so thats a no you cannot read the link you posted. You are literally posting jibberish for all you know. thats nice. not surprising though.

californiagrownso thats a no you cannot read the link you posted. You are literally posting jibberish for all you know. thats nice. not surprising though.

I posted the actual police report that the news report was talking about.

You try and start these dead-end counter arguments, but you're downright awful at arguing any of the main points.

I know it's difficult for you to combat your internal liberal conditioning, but until you address the main points, you're a waste of time.

With everything you've seen and read, just in this thread, I truly believe that you would have to suffer from some sort of mental deficiency to continue to defend Islamic Sharia ideology and those who follow it.

CampeadorI posted the actual police report that the news report was talking about.

You try and start these dead-end counter arguments, but you're downright awful at arguing any of the main points.

I know it's difficult for you to combat your internal liberal conditioning, but until you address the main points, you're a waste of time.

With everything you've seen and read, just in this thread, I truly believe that you would have to suffer from some sort of mental deficiency to continue to defend Islamic Sharia ideology and those who follow it.

at no point have i in anyway defended islamic sharia ideology. Your blatant bias simply doesnt allow you to actually listen and read in a rational, clear manner. You have lost all credibility for the number of times you have posted false information. Youre simply not worth listening to anymore. And its your own damn fault.

californiagrownat no point have i in anyway defended islamic sharia ideology. Your blatant bias simply doesnt allow you to actually listen and read in a rational, clear manner. You have lost all credibility for the number of times you have posted false information. Youre simply not worth listening to anymore. And its your own damn fault.

So don't, you've lost anyway.

You have no argument.

CampeadorSo don't, you've lost anyway.

You have no argument.

My argument is you are a xenophobic bigot who uses flawed arguments, inaccurate reports, and sometimes flatout lies to support your hateful views towards folks who need help.

And through the course of this thread I have repeatedly proved the above, many times doing nothing more than citing your own previous absurd posts.

californiagrownMy argument is you are a xenophobic bigot who uses flawed arguments, inaccurate reports, and sometimes flatout lies to support your hateful views towards folks who need help.

And through the course of this thread I have repeatedly proved the above, many times doing nothing more than citing your own previous absurd posts.

Oh yes, the dreaded "x" and "b" words, I'm surprised you didn't include the "r" word too! These words that you think are weapons have become meaningless.

You are tacitly supporting all the horrible events taking place across Europe with idiotic platitudes like "folks who need help".

So I ask you now, what price should Europe (and European women) have to pay to help the "folks who need help"? What price is too great?

Try and give a straight answer, I know this might be a daunting task for you, but give it a shot.

CampeadorOh yes, the dreaded "x" and "b" words, I'm surprised you didn't include the "r" word too! These words that you think are weapons have become meaningless.

You are tacitly supporting all the horrible events taking place across Europe with idiotic platitudes like "folks who need help".

So I ask you now, what price should Europe (and European women) have to pay to help the "folks who need help"? What price is too great?

Try and give a straight answer, I know this might be a daunting task for you, but give it a shot.

I think that we have an ethical obligation to help those trying to escape death, torture, and violent persecution. I think that a serious investment into cultural integration programs and the like is needed to help assimilate this wave of first generation immigrants.

I believe the screening process must be stronger, longer, and more accountable. An investment by the governments in europe is required to make this happen, but that investment will payoff in the form of more qualified workers, and consumers in the economy.

to seperate the refugees from the bad aspects of their past culture we must offer them opportunities to assimilate and thrive within our own society, otherwise they will retreat back into their own sheltered, familiar past culture. history has shown that to be the case time, and time again.


What price is too great? IDK. And if you know, you are seeing a very gray issue as black and white. I dont think anyone knows, until that price has been reached. But we have the means and the ability to save millions of people who would otherwise be living under the special brand of sharia that ISIS enforces in their occupied territories... and that is the best case scenario for them.


Just because you cannot see them doesnt mean these innocent people fleeing war zones are any less human. We need to help them. even if there are a few bad seeds in the bunch.

californiagrownI think that we have an ethical obligation to help those trying to escape death, torture, and violent persecution. I think that a serious investment into cultural integration programs and the like is needed to help assimilate this wave of first generation immigrants.

I believe the screening process must be stronger, longer, and more accountable. An investment by the governments in europe is required to make this happen, but that investment will payoff in the form of more qualified workers, and consumers in the economy.

to seperate the refugees from the bad aspects of their past culture we must offer them opportunities to assimilate and thrive within our own society, otherwise they will retreat back into their own sheltered, familiar past culture. history has shown that to be the case time, and time again.


What price is too great? IDK. And if you know, you are seeing a very gray issue as black and white. I dont think anyone knows, until that price has been reached. But we have the means and the ability to save millions of people who would otherwise be living under the special brand of sharia that ISIS enforces in their occupied territories... and that is the best case scenario for them.


Just because you cannot see them doesnt mean these innocent people fleeing war zones are any less human. We need to help them. even if there are a few bad seeds in the bunch.

A few bad seeds eh? I've given Pew Research statistics that show that ISIS support alone among Syrian "refugees" is at 11%.

Do the math, a million "refugees", 110,000 people with ISIS sympathies. That's more than "a few bad apples", or is Pew research not credible according to your golden standards?

Millions of people?! So now Europe should take in millions and millions of people, to bring their Islamic Sharia culture with them.

But I'm sure your wishful thinking about government integration programs will turn out just fine. I mean it's worked great with the Muslims they have now! Or perhaps it hasn't? So what will make it work now, may I ask?

Also, how can the screening process be longer if they're fleeing war, wouldn't that make it impossible to do so?

Why should Europe suffer? Why should German girls live under the threat of being sexually assaulted or raped, only to satisfy your false feel-good morality?

Also, since you questioned my sources before, I'd like to know which ones specifically you find questionable. Give specifics, not generalities, that's how you argue.

Lastly, and this is the question I most want answered, how do any of the migrants crossing to Europe continue to qualify as "refugees"? Once they've found safe harbor in a country that is not at war, i.e. Turkey, they are refugees in that country. If they choose to leave they become economic migrants, not refugees, since they cannot be seeking refuge from Turkey. Why should they not be deported back to their point of departure into Europe? Would this not end the migrant crisis if they saw it was futile to attempt the crossing? Would this not have prevented so much of the evil that is currently taking place throughout Europe? Aren't they better off living with their fellow Muslims, both from an assimilation and cultural standpoint?

CampeadorA few bad seeds eh? I've given Pew Research statistics that show that ISIS support alone among Syrian "refugees" is at 11%.

Do the math, a million "refugees", 110,000 people with ISIS sympathies. That's more than "a few bad apples", or is Pew research not credible according to your golden standards? To what extent are those sympathies? that is a hugely important question.

Millions of people?! So now Europe should take in millions and millions of people, to bring their Islamic Sharia culture with them. Lol, why do you believe that all of them believe in strict sharia, and that none of them will assimilate once they see, for the very first time, how less oppressive and great western culture is?

But I'm sure your wishful thinking about government integration programs will turn out just fine. I mean it's worked great with the Muslims they have now! Or perhaps it hasn't? So what will make it work now, may I ask?

Also, how can the screening process be longer if they're fleeing war, wouldn't that make it impossible to do so? Instead of a lottery system like im guessing they now employ, i think each muslim family should have suitability interview, kind of similar to who the USA's citizenship interviews go.

Why should Europe suffer? Why should German girls live under the threat of being sexually assaulted or raped, only to satisfy your false feel-good morality? I think the world should take on the responsibility, not just germany. I think that we as a people have an ethical responsibility to do so, i see it as a much lesser evil than sending our men into war to die... which is something i actually think we should do more of in situation like this. I know i would want other countries to take me in should the USA turn into a nightmare warzone. Even if i didnt speak the language, or have a job lined up, or wasnt able to travel with my 60 year old mother, my pregnant sister or my grandmother. Yes, some fucking methheads from bakersfield might also make the trip and turn social opinion against me, but i'd hope there would be good hearted people in that new country whom would realize that my family and i are worth literally saving.

Also, since you questioned my sources before, I'd like to know which ones specifically you find questionable. Give specifics, not generalities, that's how you argue. Already been posted multiple times in this thread. Asking for them again wont change the fact you were caught in multiple lies.

Lastly, and this is the question I most want answered, how do any of the migrants crossing to Europe continue to qualify as "refugees"? See the answer 2 paragraphs up. Once they've found safe harbor in a country that is not at war, i.e. Turkey, they are refugees in that country. If they choose to leave they become economic migrants, not refugees, since they cannot be seeking refuge from Turkey. Why should they not be deported back to their point of departure into Europe? Would this not end the migrant crisis if they saw it was futile to attempt the crossing? Would this not have prevented so much of the evil that is currently taking place throughout Europe? Aren't they better off living with their fellow Muslims, both from an assimilation and cultural standpoint? W
And this is where your xenephiobia and bigotry rear their head.

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californiagrownSee in Bold

How is he lying? All his sources are credible. Not only has crime shot up since they've arrived in mass to the EU, but police have been covering it up as well.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/

A case against refugees isn't rascism or bigotry. When a foreign populace comes over as guests, refuses to integrate, rapes and attacks the populace, conspires, burns down their shelter, refuses food and then holds out their hand for more giveouts, I believe they forfeit their right to be in Europe and should be deported.

Its actually criminal that the majority of the refugees are male (+70%) and leaving their women and children. "Escaping" a civil war. What of the tens of thousands of people who are denied entry into the EU fleeing the civil war in the Ukraine?

Campeador, actually I don't have a "reading deficiency" and I don't appreciate ad hominem attacks when trying to have a reasonable discussion. I looked a little bit more into your claims about rape statistics in Oslo, and here's what I found, from Wikipedia (I know, get a real source, right?):

"Immigrants are also overrepresented in sexual crime statistics. In a news report in 2010, a spokesperson for the Oslo Police Department stated that every case of assault rapes in Oslo in the years 2007, 2008 and 2009 was committed by a non-Western immigrant.[48] This picture has later been nuanced, as only perpetrators in the solved cases were counted, and 4 of the victims in the 16 unsolved cases described the perpetrator as being of Norwegian ethnicity.

The report shows that, of 131 individuals charged with the 152 rapes in which the perpetrator could be identified, 45.8% were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin while 54.2% were of Norwegian, other European or American origin. In the cases of "assault rape", i.e. rape aggravated by physical violence, a category that included 6 of the 152 cases and 5 of the 131 identified individuals, the 5 identified individuals were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin. In the cases of assault rape where the individual responsible was not identified and the police relied on the description provided by the victim, "8 of the perpetrators were African / dark-skinned appearance, 4 were Western / light / Nordic and 4 had an Asian appearance".[49]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

Here's an excerpt from that Oslo police report, translated into English: http://www.scribd.com/doc/76695373/Excerpt-From-Oslo-Police-District-Report-on-Rape

A selected quote for you:

"The ethnic profile varies within the different types of rape, but for all types except assault rape the largest group is composed of Norwegian perpetrators. Assault rape only comprises 6 cases, however, and the same perpetrator was responsible for two of these (there were 5 unique suspects/persons seen in 6 reports).In 4 of the six reports (3 unique men) the perpetrator was from the Middle-East, in one assault rape the man was from Africa, and in another, from Asia. Claims that all assault rapes are committed by foreigners are thus supported by these figures, although the basis for the claims is small and the selection is special.Two of the five different identified perpetrators responsible for the assault rapes were very young – less than 18 – and two had serious psychiatric diagnoses. If you extend the material to cover the 16 assault rape cases in which the person is unidentified, but where a description has been provided by the victim,another picture emerges: 8 of the perpetrators were of African/dark-skinned appearance, 5 were western/fair-haired/Nordic and 4 looked Asian. It is not certain how many different people provided these descriptions of the perpetrators, as the perpetrators of assault rapes tend to commit several violations."

The report also goes on to explain how socio-economic circumstances come into play in these statistics; as well as the victims' inclination to more often report assaults by "aliens" than those of their own countrymen.

Anyway, the point I'd like to make is that the way these stats are presented in the video you linked to has some heavy spin to it. This video, and videos like it, would like to make us believe that all rapists in Oslo are immigrants, when a closer examination reveals that this is clearly not the case.

Now, please read carefully—I'm not going to argue that immigration isn't linked to rises in crime and sexual violence, because clearly that link has been established. But where I do take issue is when people try to blow the issue out of proportion, and insinuate things that aren't true for the purposes of fearmongering.

slav_slayerHow is he lying? All his sources are credible. Not only has crime shot up since they've arrived in mass to the EU, but police have been covering it up as well.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/

A case against refugees isn't rascism or bigotry. When a foreign populace comes over as guests, refuses to integrate, rapes and attacks the populace, conspires, burns down their shelter, refuses food and then holds out their hand for more giveouts, I believe they forfeit their right to be in Europe and should be deported.

Its actually criminal that the majority of the refugees are male (+70%) and leaving their women and children. "Escaping" a civil war. What of the tens of thousands of people who are denied entry into the EU fleeing the civil war in the Ukraine?

Read the thread if you are interested in where he lied.

It is criminal to leave the women and children? Really? Apparently you think being a refugee simply involves getting on a bus, and sleeping in a tent for a bit and that's it. It's a fucking perilous, dangerous, many times expensive journey and guess what demographic is most fit to make it? Young men. Kinda like all immigrants, ever, they are there to start a new life and bring over their family once they have the resources to do so.

As for the war in Ukraine, comparatively how bad is the humanitarian situation there?

ESBCampeador, actually I don't have a "reading deficiency" and I don't appreciate ad hominem attacks when trying to have a reasonable discussion. I looked a little bit more into your claims about rape statistics in Oslo, and here's what I found, from Wikipedia (I know, get a real source, right?):

"Immigrants are also overrepresented in sexual crime statistics. In a news report in 2010, a spokesperson for the Oslo Police Department stated that every case of assault rapes in Oslo in the years 2007, 2008 and 2009 was committed by a non-Western immigrant.[48] This picture has later been nuanced, as only perpetrators in the solved cases were counted, and 4 of the victims in the 16 unsolved cases described the perpetrator as being of Norwegian ethnicity.

The report shows that, of 131 individuals charged with the 152 rapes in which the perpetrator could be identified, 45.8% were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin while 54.2% were of Norwegian, other European or American origin. In the cases of "assault rape", i.e. rape aggravated by physical violence, a category that included 6 of the 152 cases and 5 of the 131 identified individuals, the 5 identified individuals were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin. In the cases of assault rape where the individual responsible was not identified and the police relied on the description provided by the victim, "8 of the perpetrators were African / dark-skinned appearance, 4 were Western / light / Nordic and 4 had an Asian appearance".[49]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

Here's an excerpt from that Oslo police report, translated into English: http://www.scribd.com/doc/76695373/Excerpt-From-Oslo-Police-District-Report-on-Rape

A selected quote for you:

"The ethnic profile varies within the different types of rape, but for all types except assault rape the largest group is composed of Norwegian perpetrators. Assault rape only comprises 6 cases, however, and the same perpetrator was responsible for two of these (there were 5 unique suspects/persons seen in 6 reports).In 4 of the six reports (3 unique men) the perpetrator was from the Middle-East, in one assault rape the man was from Africa, and in another, from Asia. Claims that all assault rapes are committed by foreigners are thus supported by these figures, although the basis for the claims is small and the selection is special.Two of the five different identified perpetrators responsible for the assault rapes were very young – less than 18 – and two had serious psychiatric diagnoses. If you extend the material to cover the 16 assault rape cases in which the person is unidentified, but where a description has been provided by the victim,another picture emerges: 8 of the perpetrators were of African/dark-skinned appearance, 5 were western/fair-haired/Nordic and 4 looked Asian. It is not certain how many different people provided these descriptions of the perpetrators, as the perpetrators of assault rapes tend to commit several violations."

The report also goes on to explain how socio-economic circumstances come into play in these statistics; as well as the victims' inclination to more often report assaults by "aliens" than those of their own countrymen.

Anyway, the point I'd like to make is that the way these stats are presented in the video you linked to has some heavy spin to it. This video, and videos like it, would like to make us believe that all rapists in Oslo are immigrants, when a closer examination reveals that this is clearly not the case.

Now, please read carefully—I'm not going to argue that immigration isn't linked to rises in crime and sexual violence, because clearly that link has been established. But where I do take issue is when people try to blow the issue out of proportion, and insinuate things that aren't true for the purposes of fearmongering.

So you've essentially giving, in a sense, more evidence for my claims, but from a different angle.

Among all rapes, among people who know each other and strangers, nearly half of the rapes that took place are from Muslim migrants that make up 1.8% of the population. This is from the total rape statistics, my claim of rape among strangers still stands. Obviously there are many cases of date rape and the like by Norwegian men.

That's quite an over representation wouldn't you say? 1.8% of the foreign Muslim population responsible for almost half of the rapes, and the native population of 98.2% responsible for the other half. Let that sink in, and tell me there isn't a direct link between migrants and sexual crimes.

If that were the case in the United States... let's just say thank God we have the 2nd Amendment. The lunatic leftists in Europe have disarmed the native population, leaving them effectively defenseless (except in Switzerland).

californiagrownSee in Bold

Lol, why do you believe that all of them believe in strict sharia, and that none of them will assimilate once they see, for the very first time, how less oppressive and great western culture is?


From what I've seen in Europe, with successive generation becoming more radicalized than their parents, I would have to say, for the most part, no. I don't see any great love for western culture among Muslim populations already in Europe, quite the opposite in fact.

You're the perfect picture of liberal naivety and wishful thinking.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Also, since you questioned my sources before, I'd like to know which ones specifically you find questionable. Give specifics, not generalities, that's how you argue. Already been posted multiple times in this thread. Asking for them again wont change the fact you were caught in multiple lies.


Again, I've asked for specifics, which you seem incapable of providing.

It was a very simple request. If you are questioning the sources for my statistics and data, I would like to know specifically which ones, and perhaps you can address why they are inaccurate. Otherwise your argument is garbage. Notice the difference when I addressed the data you provided directly? ESB was able to do that, even though he unwittingly contributed more evidence to my overall argument.

Also, which lies exactly? That's a strong accusation to make, not one to be made without anything to back it up. I may have been partly in error when I said that around 70% were "men", when in reality I should have specified "male", I'll give you that. But again, that was by reexamining the data based on my own sources in addition to what you provided. Perhaps you'll learn a thing or two about critical thinking, and not fight back against it with feel-good emotional nonsense that has no basis in reality.

This round-a-bout way you have about answering straightforward questions, or your tendency to descend into meaningless platitudes, makes your ability to argue very weak.

You also clearly do not understand the meaning of the word "phobia". I know liberals have been conditioned to jog out these words like "xenophobia", "islamophobia", "bigot", "racist", etc, whenever they feel threatened or are losing an argument, but seriously, grow up.

I have faith in you.

CampeadorSo you've essentially giving, in a sense, more evidence for my claims, but from a different angle.

Among all rapes, among people who know each other and strangers, nearly half of the rapes that took place are from Muslim migrants that make up 1.8% of the population. This is from the total rape statistics, my claim of rape among strangers still stands. Obviously there are many cases of date rape and the like by Norwegian men.

That's quite an over representation wouldn't you say? 1.8% of the foreign Muslim population responsible for almost half of the rapes, and the native population of 98.2% responsible for the other half. Let that sink in, and tell me there isn't a direct link between migrants and sexual crimes.

If that were the case in the United States... let's just say thank God we have the 2nd Amendment. The lunatic leftists in Europe have disarmed the native population, leaving them effectively defenseless (except in Switzerland).

I guess I am confused as to why you think it is okay to intentionally inflate statistics by 100%?

If you actually cared about this issue I would think you would want to present yourself and your argument in an honest, truthful way. Guess you don't care. Or you just realize that your argument is very weak and so you must rely on mistruths, lies, and false information. Either way, you've lost all credibility.

CampeadorSo you've essentially giving, in a sense, more evidence for my claims, but from a different angle.

Among all rapes, among people who know each other and strangers, nearly half of the rapes that took place are from Muslim migrants that make up 1.8% of the population. This is from the total rape statistics, my claim of rape among strangers still stands. Obviously there are many cases of date rape and the like by Norwegian men.

That's quite an over representation wouldn't you say? 1.8% of the foreign Muslim population responsible for almost half of the rapes, and the native population of 98.2% responsible for the other half. Let that sink in, and tell me there isn't a direct link between migrants and sexual crimes.

If that were the case in the United States... let's just say thank God we have the 2nd Amendment. The lunatic leftists in Europe have disarmed the native population, leaving them effectively defenseless (except in Switzerland).

No. I won't suggest that you have a reading deficiency, but I would suggest that you read my post again. First: these statistics make no mention of the religion of the parties involved. For you to assume that the attackers are all Muslim is just that—an assumption. Second: I explicitly acknowledged that there is a link between migrants and sexual crimes, but also acknowledged some of the socio-economic circumstances (again: read the translated report from the Oslo police) which play a major role in this link.

Case in point: Not all immigrants, or Muslims, are ravenous animals out to rape and defile Western women.

californiagrownI guess I am confused as to why you think it is okay to intentionally inflate statistics by 100%?

If you actually cared about this issue I would think you would want to present yourself and your argument in an honest, truthful way. Guess you don't care. Or you just realize that your argument is very weak and so you must rely on mistruths, lies, and false information. Either way, you've lost all credibility.

Again, you failed to argue against the point with anything but opinion.

Even as per what ESB posted:

Claims that all assault rapes are committed by foreigners are thus supported by these figures.

So again, explain where I was wrong?

I have to admit, you're quick on the draw, do you work a desk job by chance?

CampeadorAgain, you failed to argue against the point with anything but opinion.

Even as per what ESB posted:

Claims that all assault rapes are committed by foreigners are thus supported by these figures.

So again, explain where I was wrong?

I have to admit, you're quick on the draw, do you work a desk job by chance?

You argued that all rapes in Oslo(100%) were committed by refugees/Arabic folk, etc.

Then another member actually looks at the stats and it turns out it's 50%.

That would be a 100% increase in your original statistic, wouldn't it?