NYE attacks in Cologne, Germany

californiagrownYet you still are anti-immigration? If folks are from a certain part of the world where bad things are happening, they arent allowed in, right? Whatever happened to judging a man on the content of his character isntead of the color of his skin... or in this case, his birthplace?

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PeppermillRenoThat is what Im judging them on the content of their character.

Look the Middle East is moving backwards and getting more nad more radicalized. THus people who grew up in that culture and were a part of that culture do not mesh with Western values and are likely to be problematic immigrants. They are not rejecting the culture they came from but rather trying to recreate it in the West.

Muslim idealogy is all about spreading islam and treating those who are not followers as worthless.

These aren't political refugees who happen to be on the wrong side of the fence of whomever is in power.


The British guy in this thread said there are plenty of peaceful muslims in ENgland who have been there for generations. True. They are not the problem its the radical newcomers who are immigrating in droves and grew up as part of the violent oppressive culture that are the problem.


There is one nice easy problem....KEEP THEM THE FUCK OUT. Just don't allow any muslims in for the next 20 years or so until shit calms down in the middle east and they begin to progress as a society and then maybe you can consider allowing them to emigrate to here.



The Saudis and Iranians don't even want these fucks why should we take them!!!!!!!

californiagrownBlack culture is all about gangs, drugs and hitting women. We should judge all black people accordingly, right? Just so we keep the logic consistent, right?

PeppermillRenoThe middle east has laws that prevent women from going out in public without their heads covered. You think that is acceptable? Or that is just an opinion of mine and a generalization?

Way to move the goal posts and insult black people though you fucking racist.

californiagrownWait, so you are generalizing the whole middleast based upon a select few country's laws... but are accusing me of generalizing? Got it.


Do you think black urban culture is a good thing? the drugs, violence, single parent household, pverty, etc? all are bad things, right? should we kick them out of our society? or should we let them all stay but only because they are here already?

I mean, we should be judging everybody on the worst parts of the culture they were born into, right?



It all works the same way chief. Dont judge the individual based upon your perception of the ethnic group, and/or religous group.

PeppermillReno(IE for example if you are a female and plan on wearing a burkha in public I don't want you here I support womens rights and you clearly don't so stay the fuck over there if you want to walk around in a hood.)

S.J.WOfficials say only 18 of the 1000 strong men were asylum seekers. 18 fucking men. You say we need to ban all muslims even though only 18 out of the 1000 men were asylum seekers. What's next you want to ban fucking muslims having kids? But let's not forget german muslims have also condemned the attacks. I propose we ban all germans from entering the united states!!!!

californiagrownLol, you support womens rights. Except when they they freely choose to follow a religous dress code that doesnt affect you one tiny bit.



FYI, covering your head is a tradition common amongst all the abrahamic religons you nutjob. What do you think a Yarmulke (you know it as a yamaka) is? We should also ban jewish men from wearing them?


Youre a racist joke of a person. I had no idea how many closet racists, bigots, and xenophobs were out there till trump brought you all out of the closet.



the first part of your response makes total sense... and FYI but that is what the current screening proccess attempts to do.

PeppermillRenoJust slow down man.

If we just grow up and acknowledge the problem we can remain PC and nice to everyone and there won't be problems in the USA like there are in Europe. Muslims actually aren't that problematic of a population in the USA because there aren't too many of them. Europe its a different story. Sooner we accept this and cut off more coming in the better we will be and teh sooner we can go back to being fully PC and treating everyone the same and not doing any profile or being prejudice at all.


But right now political correctness is a global menace because it is encouraging a muslim invasion of Europe and undermining Western culture and womens rights.



Google the Cologne attacks and see if you will get any results from any media source that is out and out left wing. Google doesn't even bring up right wing news sources in their searches. Zuckerberg and the rest of the PC liberal media is trying to implement laws that make criticizing muslims hate speech in Europe. Shit is scary.


Im willing to meet you more than half way and admit that my views one year ago would be extreme and bigoted. But right now they are acurate and acceptable because the problem is so real.

californiagrownI dont have the time, nor the inclination to do so over an internet ski forum, to describe how disgusted i am at the bigoted, xenophobic, unchristian values you apparently embody. I have pointed out time and time again how I could apply your logic to other minority groups with similar problems, and you have agreed that was racist/bigoted etc. But you apparently have an extremely uneducated, misinformed and frankly evil view of the topic we are discussing.

Must be nice being born and raised in america and only having rich white kid issues your whole life, huh?

mishracerYou say "Fuck those people and their backwards society" whilst in the sentence before saying "they should all be killed" do you not think that that is rather contradictory?We should not lower ourselves to their level whilst fighting them over some of their backwards attitudes, beliefs and actions.

fab02First:
Wow haven't seen any German commenting this thread...means I am the first one. I see only people from America

Can't believe how much bullshit I read in here about that topic. Half is like i said bullshit other half is offtopic.. None post didnt actually faced and explained the problems we have here in Germany. It is really hard to explain to non Germans/ Europeans and especially to the rest of the world. So I dont wanna get into it here on NS :)

nocturnalGreat so of that's not what we do then give me a solution instead of trying to mock me.

fab02First:
Wow haven't seen any German commenting this thread...means I am the first one.

onenerdykidWhat some people in this thread cannot do is separate the Islamic ideology from the Muslim people. Islam (in its literal entirety) is a not peaceful system founded on human equality, justice as fairness, tolerance, or personal freedom.

No of course not, only an idiot would assume that an ENTIRE group of people are all going to be a certain way. Are there many who are going to be problematic and cause trouble? Yes. .

PCPRINCIPALIf thats the case then it makes no sense to needlessly hold onto a hateful religion. Why pick and choose?!? If the religion is inherently bad, then get rid of it. Why even define yourself by it. It makes no sense to defend something just because they were born into it. If I were Refugee I would abandon whatever religion and nation that was responsible for putting me there.
Its like a jew praising the Third Reich.
Its like putting a dress on a wolf and calling it cute.
and just because a few wolves have been tamed doesnt mean its safe to sleep with wolves.

I truly fear the form of lying that the Islamic religion supports.

onenerdykidIf you pick up the Old Testament, you find commandments and praise for the following: genocide, homicide, infanticide, honor killings, stoning, death for non believers, support for slavery, etc. In many ways, the Old Testament is more barbaric than the Qur'an. Yet Jews and Christians can live with it (read: ignore it) and be peaceful Jews and Christians. Just because verses in Deuteronomy or Leviticus or Joshua etc. call for the death of non-virgins on their wedding night and killing entire villages of people (including women and children), it doesn't mean that Jews and Christians all of a sudden renounce their entire faith. They pick out the good parts and live without following the bad - this is the way of religious moderation. Muslims can and do behave the same way. Many aren't prepared to throw out the entire Qur'an because certain parts command them to kill non-believers, kill apostates, encourage jihad & martyrdom etc. They live around it or ignore it, just like Jews and Christians do.

PCPRINCIPALThe huge difference is that Jewish and Christian leaders have actually spoken out against those parts. We cant say the same for Islamic leaders.

The point is that the reasonable and rational Muslims are a huge minority. The other thing to take into account is that it is not just religion. We are and industrialized, first world country and they are not.

They have been exploited and we are the exploiters.

The large majority of Muslims, even some who do not believe in Sharia Law, would revel in the idea of Western Society Collapsing.

onenerdykidI was primarily answering your question referring to why individual people don't reject their religion, which you argued they should given the atrocities and horrible teachings promoted in their religious texts. While I am very sympathetic to that view, I was merely showing that it is very possible to be a Muslim and not think that jihad and martyrdom are the only ways to paradise.

mishracerTrial and imprisonment over just putting them to death may be a good place to start.

fab02First:
Wow haven't seen any German commenting this thread...means I am the first one. I see only people from America

Can't believe how much bullshit I read in here about that topic. Half is like i said bullshit other half is offtopic.. None post didnt actually faced and explained the problems we have here in Germany. It is really hard to explain to non Germans/ Europeans and especially to the rest of the world. So I dont wanna get into it here on NS :)

If you wanna get a good overview about Cologno, read newspaper.:
http://www.faz.net/
http://www.zeit.de/index
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/

These are imo the best to get a decent overview. Pretty recommended to Austrians or Switzerlandixx, who may want better informations of the current situation in Cologne. For non German speakers I can only say, just wait until everything is clear.

Second:
Why do North Americans, (YES Canada AND USA) judge our refugee policy? These two countries, who pick "their" immigrants/refugees out of milions who suffer from war, diseases or dictatorships. Who dont give ANY fucks about equal rights for every human. Better educated refugees were given the chance to stay in Canada/America. The "normal" ones should get slaghtered in Syria by brutal fucktards , because of their lower education (?). , Obv. NO! So they try to get to Europe instead. Here everybody has the same chance for a permanent stay. Doesnt matter if PhD in Stompenonics or server in an old tea house in Damaskus.
My home village (~3500 inhabitants) go now 500 refugees from whole fking Africa as well as Syria. Get into contact with those people, before generalizing and posting garbage in the internet.

Third:
The fear of immigrants in (US) America is terrifiying. Went one time to Oklahoma, never again. Lucky just a drive though. The more I came to countryside, the more terrified, racist and nationalistic rednecky fucktards I met. Those who were immigrants themselfes 1-300 years ago, the ones who got the opportunity to re-start their whole life. Why shouldn't Syrians, Eritreans or Iraqis have this chance too? I dont even want an answer, because there is no logical non racist one!

America, land of the "free". Haha bullshit, land of sadly too many conservative racists. Hope that the whole Donald Trump thing is a joke.

Luckily tons of openminded ppl at both coasts and especially here on Newschoolers, thanks guys!

Keep in mind: Never generalize and try to get a solid overview by reading local newspaper and stuff or asking local friends etc.

P.S.: Sorry for this essay. Wasn't meant to be that long. Ohh...and this is just my opinion, always open for a fair discussion :)

californiagrownProblem is, you started out broadly talking about islam. Islamaphobia is whack. A muslim woman was escorted out of a Trump rally for wearing a hajib, and wearing a shirt saying "i come in peace". she was harassed for simply standing there silently. Trump was cool with it. whatever happened to the republican party?

onenerdykidWell, I am not a German native but I live in Austria so I do feel like I am well prepared to discuss this on a personal level with you. Everything I said in my previous posts was true.

What some people in this thread cannot do is separate the Islamic ideology from the Muslim people. Islam (in its literal entirety) is a not peaceful system founded on human equality, justice as fairness, tolerance, or personal freedom. This does not mean that all Muslims follow it literally and want everyone to convert or die, but rather (like most Christians), pick and choose what parts make sense to them. Many, therefore (and luckily), have a loose reading of the Qur'an and Hadith.

CampeadorYou know what is even more "whack"? Using a false, misleading term like "Islamophobia" that was coined by a terrorist organization (CAIR).

Also, she was escorted out for, in all likelihood, being a CAIR plant. Or did you miss how CAIR had a press release ready immediately after?

She was essentially calling everyone there a Nazi with her attire, and as such her being escorted out was perfectly justified.

There is evidence that over 70% of the mosques in the U.S. receive funding from global terrorist organizations, like the Muslim Brotherhood, and/or from Saudi Wahhabists. The mosques of the Boston bombers and the San Bernardino terrorists are both linked directly to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. Consider looking into the Islamic Society of Boston and its "cultural centers".

Perhaps you should learn more about Islam and Sharia, as well as the jihadist organizations already operating in the US, before rushing to defend it using terms that the jihadists themselves created.

Try to look over the fact that this was on Fox News, and take the information on its merit:

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/805934/Ryan-Mauro-on-Fox--amp--Friends--Radical-Islamic-Mosques-in-America

californiagrownI guess I'm not following how someone wearing a shirt that says "I come in peace" is akin to calling people nazis. Please explain.

She probably was a CAIR plant. Guess what? The bigoted Trump campaign and supporters fell for it hook, line, and sinker. If she had been black and been harassed and then booted for being so, would you not call those people bigoted?

Guess not.

CampeadorShe was making a political statement, taking Trump's words purposefully out of context, and wearing an 8 pointed Muslim star made to resemble the star worn by Jews in Nazi Germany, essentially calling the people at the rally Nazis. She's a protester, and I'm sure the irony of her act is lost on her (or it's not, and it's just her own form of Taqiyya), considering the threat Jews face from Sharia Muslims throughout the world.

It's a tactic that's already been used by CAIR at other rallies, I wouldn't be surprised if CAIR itself were producing the stars. Like I've said before, CAIR is a terrorist organization.

You've brought up some good points in this discussion, but lets cut it out with all the false analogies. A black BLM protester wearing a "white people are racist" shirt would have also been ejected. It's a private event, and the organizers of the event have the right to eject protesters.

californiagrownTotally. "I come in peace" is the same as "white people are racist". Ya got me man.

The private event absolutely had the right to throw her out. They also had the right to hurl racial and religious epithets at her. Doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.


How was she taking trumps words out of context?

CampeadorNow you're just purposefully ignoring the evidence I clearly provided for you. She wasn't thrown out for her shirt, she was thrown out because of her Nazi insinuations that she displayed through the Muslim star she was wearing. She was referencing Trump's Muslim database comment, which clearly if taken within context, referred to new arrivals. Let's not pretend otherwise.

Do you think protesters should not be ejected from political rallies?

These events have to take a tough stance towards all protesters, otherwise you could easily have a Bernie in Seattle type of scenario. I'd hope that his security has gotten better since.

Also, what "racial" epithets exactly are you referring to? Last I checked Islam wasn't a race. To make this about race is dishonest, but I'm sure you already knew that. Not to use anecdotal evidence, but some of the people I know who hate Islam the most are from the Middle East. Are they "racists" or just "islamophobes"?

californiagrownDatabase of mosques and members. And yeah, when you pitch the idea of creating a database to track and account for a minority group, it certainly does bring about comparisons to the early days of the third Reich. Rightfully so.

" racial and religious epithets"- sand nigger, terrorist, haji etc. All disrespectful, hateful things to say to a person doing nothing to elicit hatred.

You have given no evidence of anything for me to ignore lol. Except anecdotal evidence akin to "I'm not a bigot, one of my good friends is muslim"!

CampeadorSo what source do you have to back that up? Besides the woman herself, who could invent whatever she wants, a la Clock Boy.

I didn't say the people I know from the Middle East are muslims, they're not.

I showed you exactly why the woman was ejected, and that she's part of a string of similar protests. Also, surveillance of certain mosques, and a database that tracks recent arrivals that could harbor sympathies to Islamic Jihad makes sense. Neither of these things have anything to do with the 3rd Reich. I've shown you that over 80 mosques have direct connections to terrorist organizations. Furthermore, two "refugees" were arrested this week for being a part of ISIS and another Islamic terrorist organization.

californiagrownFurthermore, Isis members from any number of countries can easily enter the USA on vacation. Why would Syrian refugees be any different? Should we also ban anyone from entering who "looks the part"?

nocturnalYou keep saying that but when was the last terrorist attack from Isis by people on vacation?

californiagrownwhen was the last terror attack on the USA by ISIS?

CampeadorDecember 2nd, 2015.

Perhaps not direct ISIS members, but ISIS supporters nonetheless.

californiagrownwhen was the last terror attack on the USA by ISIS?

CampeadorAlso,

January 7th, 2016

by another follower of the religion of peace that pledged allegiance to ISIS.

Are you just willfully blind?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-philly-cop-shooter-pledged-allegiance-isis-charged/story?id=36187484

californiagrownSo it wasnt an ISIS attack. Thanks for playing. No soup for you. NEXT!!

CampeadorWhat point are you attempting to make? That the threat isn't significant because there hasn't been a plan origination from Raqqa?

Maybe the 130+ dead on the streets of Paris wasn't enough to convince you.

californiagrownyoure quite dense if you dont understand that i was responding to another poster.


What is the question you have for me?

CampeadorCan't you read? I asked what point you were trying to make with that statement.

californiagrownyou were interjecting into a conversation you obviously had no idea was happening.


The point i was making was in response to the other guys point that there had been no ISIS attacks by vacationers so why was i worried about it. My response was a rhetorically questioning why he was worried about ISIS attacks in the US seeing as there have been none.

Cant you read? guess not.

nocturnalPoint is we don't let them in and it doesn't happen, you keep saying they can easily come in on vacation. But that point is invalid and untrue if they could have just walked into this country they would have done it a long time ago. But they haven't therefore we shouldn't just let everyone in because.

CampeadorTo be fair, and you're intelligent so I'm sure you realize this, is that Muslims themselves, more often than not, cannot separate themselves from Islamic ideology. That's the core of the problem.

onenerdykidThere is no doubt in my mind that belief leads to action. If I was told today that I had 6 months left to live and believed it, that belief would lead me to act in certain ways. The problem is that simply being a Muslim does not definitively tell you what beliefs that Muslim holds. The degree to which a Muslims believes will be the degree to which they act on those beliefs. Is the Muslim a cultural Muslim (a non-believer but has been brought up in a "Muslim" way, similar to most Americans and their association with Christianity), a moderate/liberal Muslim, a conservative Muslim, an Islamist Muslim, or a jihadist Muslim? Each type of Muslim has a different set of beliefs and these different beliefs lead to different actions for each believer.

For example, the cultural Muslim might not drink alcohol and he certainly will not think the will of Allah to be absolute in all regards, does not want everyone to submit to the will of Allah, and does not support spreading the will of Allah through violence. Whereas the Islamist and jihadist both do not drink alcohol, both think the will of Allah is absolute in all regards, they want us all to submit to the will of Allah, and support those who spread His message through violence (with the jihadist being the one who actually spreads the message through violence).

Christianity has/did have these exact parallels, as (most) every religion does. The problem is that Christianity has been exposed to more secular taming than Islam has, but this exposure has, unfortunately, taken hundreds of years to get to where it is today. The reality is that we don't have another 500 years to wait for Islam to get its shit together. We need more moderate Muslims and these refugees that are fleeing the extreme Islamists and jihadists are one of the best chances we have right now at doing that. If our vetting process is the least bit successful, the 10,000 refugees that will come into the USA will most likely be moderate Muslims, not Islamists or jihadists. It is much better to encourage the spread of moderate Islam than it is to shun the entire Muslim population.

For sure safeguards need to be put in place and people need to be monitored in order to catch the small percentage of Islamists/jihadists that sneak through the vetting process. As you've shown, there are these safeguards in place and we are catching them.