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Going through skis like crazy!

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supersquid
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I dont know why but I seem to have terrible luck with ski durability. Both my moment vices and on3p FR's have at least 6 edge cracks on them with an edge pullout underfoot on the both of them. Fist off let me say I am in no way bitching at the companies for durability issues. On3p was super cool when i broke my skis right away and they fixed them free of charge. The skis have both been super fun and I have learned a lot on them. Just trying to figure out why I seem to be breaking edges and damaging skis so badly so fast. I have about 60 days on my vices and 30 on my FR's. I did not detune my edges on my FR's and thats why I attribute some of the edge cracks and fast wear. I realize that you can still ski with edge cracks and thats part of the risk you take with skiing park. Here is a little bit about my self.

Im 5'11 and about 190 pounds. Ski strictly park and ski 4-6 times a week. Ski granite peak and have been skiing for 3 years. Best trick on jumps is 540 and best rail trick is either 270 on front 2 out or switch lip front 2. I don't absolutely destroy park but Im not terrible either

I dont know if im just a bigger guy or I ski a lot or i just have bad luck. Either way I have decided to try my luck with some j skis whip its cause i found some for cheap. I love rockered skis and will definitely buy another pair of filthy riches but not his year considering the weather. Btw i have a friend who is just as good as me and weighs about 40 pounds less who has yet to get an edge crack in his armada t halls. What do you guys think? Is it due to bad luck, frequency of skiing or do i just need to hit the gym
Dec 23 2015 4:11PM
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Swandog7
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I ski a lot (hyland) so I'm in the same boat except for weight. Im skiing 4-6 days a week with hot laps on hot laps and ski mostly rails... a lot of rails. I'm skiing Moment Vices and I'm on my second season with nothing but top sheet chipping. Ive detuned my edges twice (before the season starts and occasionally take some burrs out or whatever) and they have going on strong. My last pair of skis were Volkl and they got wrecked within a season including 10 edge cracks, pullouts, delam, and even have a whole through the tip.

I've for sure taken way better care of my Vice and it shows. Things that I think have helped me is wiping snow off my skis so they dry and don't rust, detuning, small epoxy use to the top sheet, filling the core shot that i had right away, checking edges once a week, waxing, etc. Its the smaller things that count, but you can only do so much about edge cracks so its a little bit of bad luck and lack of care/maintainance.

TLDR: Its lac of maintainance and some bad luck. Detune, dry, and check your edges out as necessary. I usually do it once a week.
Dec 23 2015 4:21PM
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supersquid
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Swandog7I ski a lot (hyland) so I'm in the same boat except for weight. Im skiing 4-6 days a week with hot laps on hot laps and ski mostly rails... a lot of rails. I'm skiing Moment Vices and I'm on my second season with nothing but top sheet chipping. Ive detuned my edges twice (before the season starts and occasionally take some burrs out or whatever) and they have going on strong. My last pair of skis were Volkl and they got wrecked within a season including 10 edge cracks, pullouts, delam, and even have a whole through the tip.

I've for sure taken way better care of my Vice and it shows. Things that I think have helped me is wiping snow off my skis so they dry and don't rust, detuning, small epoxy use to the top sheet, filling the core shot that i had right away, checking edges once a week, waxing, etc. Its the smaller things that count, but you can only do so much about edge cracks so its a little bit of bad luck and lack of care/maintainance.

TLDR: Its lac of maintainance and some bad luck. Detune, dry, and check your edges out as necessary. I usually do it once a week.


I always check my skis over and bring them inside of something chips on tip or tail i epoxy i have even epoxied edged. When my edges pulled out if i would of tried to just epoxy it like that it wouldnt of worked. I took a grinder and some files and ground off about a mm and a half of the edge out and then epoxied and clamped it this way the epoxy had something to hold onto. It hasnt affected the riding at all as it was almost directly underfoot. They are still going strong and that area is holding i just think once you do get an edge pullout even if you address is fas they dont have much time left.
Dec 23 2015 4:25PM
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Swandog7
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jmellberg800I always check my skis over and bring them inside of something chips on tip or tail i epoxy i have even epoxied edged. When my edges pulled out if i would of tried to just epoxy it like that it wouldnt of worked. I took a grinder and some files and ground off about a mm and a half of the edge out and then epoxied and clamped it this way the epoxy had something to hold onto. It hasnt affected the riding at all as it was almost directly underfoot. They are still going strong and that area is holding i just think once you do get an edge pullout even if you address is fas they dont have much time left.


weird. Detuning is the most important part. Did you take out the burs with like a gummy stone or something like that? Might just be bad luck
Dec 23 2015 4:36PM
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supersquid
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Swandog7weird. Detuning is the most important part. Did you take out the burs with like a gummy stone or something like that? Might just be bad luck


left my on3ps completely along and went straight to hitting rails and that was a big mistake. my vices however were detuned last year and a bit this year and they are pretty rounded off. My friend with the thalls didnt touch the edges at all and hit rails right out of the box and like i said he has no edge cracks
Dec 23 2015 4:38PM
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Swandog7
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jmellberg800left my on3ps completely along and went straight to hitting rails and that was a big mistake. my vices however were detuned last year and a bit this year and they are pretty rounded off. My friend with the thalls didnt touch the edges at all and hit rails right out of the box and like i said he has no edge cracks


Sucks. I just found my first edge crack lol so I'm pissed, but it happens to everyone I guess
Dec 23 2015 5:12PM
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japanada
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detuning is key, and youre a heavier dude than lots of people on here which definitely puts stress on the edges. And hot laps at GP=a lot of rails. More than a lot of people would think for the midwest.
Dec 23 2015 5:52PM
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DBack1321
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Not to sound like a dick, but you're constantly slamming your skis into metal rails over and over again. Shit is going to wear down and break eventually.
Dec 23 2015 10:56PM
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supersquid
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DBack1321Not to sound like a dick, but you're constantly slamming your skis into metal rails over and over again. Shit is going to wear down and break eventually.


I adressed that in the thread "I realize that you can still ski with edge cracks and thats part of the risk you take with skiing park."

just seems like i go through them faster than my friends
Dec 23 2015 11:07PM
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270on420out
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Every park ski breaks eventually. I'd say its cause you ski so often. Also, how often do you fall? That may have an effect.

It could also be the way you ski. I have friends the disaster every rail, go flying into features at the fastest speeds possible, and tap/butter everything in sight. They go through 2 pairs a season, and they don't even ski that much. And then I also have friends who are mellow skiers and like to keep it simple. Their skis last pretty long.
Dec 23 2015 11:51PM
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supersquid
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THEDIRTYBUBBLEEvery park ski breaks eventually. I'd say its cause you ski so often. Also, how often do you fall? That may have an effect.

It could also be the way you ski. I have friends the disaster every rail, go flying into features at the fastest speeds possible, and tap/butter everything in sight. They go through 2 pairs a season, and they don't even ski that much. And then I also have friends who are mellow skiers and like to keep it simple. Their skis last pretty long.


I would say that i ski pretty slow. I hit rails going a lot slower than most but i do fall a lot. So far this year ive learned switch lips, and 270's on. Also have gotten better at switchups and blind 2s out. ive fallen a lot but its usually my body that hits the rail not the skis
Dec 24 2015 1:27AM
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Twig
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jmellberg800I would say that i ski pretty slow. I hit rails going a lot slower than most but i do fall a lot. So far this year ive learned switch lips, and 270's on. Also have gotten better at switchups and blind 2s out. ive fallen a lot but its usually my body that hits the rail not the skis.

Durability is a tricky one, it can have a lot to do with how you ski. Someone who weighs 135lbs and ghosts on to rails with little impact is going to break a whole lot less skis than someone 190lbs who pops and slams on to rails, even if they are doing the exact same tricks. Not saying you do this because I have no evidence either way but even being a bit heavier is going to make a difference.

Not detuning is almost certainly a big factor in the cracks in your FRs, I aggressively detune all the skis I get which are going to touch rails and it makes a big difference to the durability. You should also make sure to switch your skis over if you don't already. The underfoot edge pullout on one edge of each pair may well be to do with not doing that (again, no evidence just guesswork).

Finally there is a whole lot of luck involved.. You can do your best by getting fat edges on reputedly durable skis, detune them, switching feet and skiing in a low impact way and still blow your edges in a week. To a degree it's luck of the draw.
Dec 24 2015 5:39AM
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supersquid
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TwigDurability is a tricky one, it can have a lot to do with how you ski. Someone who weighs 135lbs and ghosts on to rails with little impact is going to break a whole lot less skis than someone 190lbs who pops and slams on to rails, even if they are doing the exact same tricks. Not saying you do this because I have no evidence either way but even being a bit heavier is going to make a difference.

Not detuning is almost certainly a big factor in the cracks in your FRs, I aggressively detune all the skis I get which are going to touch rails and it makes a big difference to the durability. You should also make sure to switch your skis over if you don't already. The underfoot edge pullout on one edge of each pair may well be to do with not doing that (again, no evidence just guesswork).

Finally there is a whole lot of luck involved.. You can do your best by getting fat edges on reputedly durable skis, detune them, switching feet and skiing in a low impact way and still blow your edges in a week. To a degree it's luck of the draw.


Im finding out the luck part now and it kinda sucks, but since my two pairs have gone through sorta quickly maybe im due for a pair that lasts a while haha
Dec 24 2015 1:27PM
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japanada
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how much of an edge angle are you on when your slide rails and boxes? Try to slide with the flattest angle you can without catching your leading edge.
Dec 24 2015 8:42PM
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shin-bang
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Didn't read any of the others posts ^ but detuning is life. It helps so much and I do it rather frequently when exclusively rails.
Dec 24 2015 8:47PM
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spliff.Life
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^Yess a lot.



OP I feel ya, I broke these 2 days ago after only 3 weeks on them :( and then on my other ski's today I busted out about 3 in of edge on both sides, both skis
https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/820216/WTB-1-one-surface-green-life-183cm-
Dec 24 2015 9:09PM
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