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Hillary Clinton is already the next president, by default

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sampsihoyos
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Trump is screwing you guys. He turned the whole campaign into one of his shows for entertainment, today he's doubling down on his proposal to keep all Muslims from entering the US and have them carry visible ID causing his favorability to plummet among moderate America, and I guess Hillary already wins, who else could win?

Also republican candidates will have to get onboard with anthropogenic climate change for the 2020 election to have a shot at the win.
Dec 8 2015 11:45AM
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Rparr
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Climate change isn't the only issue they need to get on board with...
Dec 8 2015 11:52AM
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snowfinder
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Clinton really? Sanders all the way
Dec 8 2015 11:54AM
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.CJ.
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I would rather have Bernie Sanders than Hillary, even though I oppose most of his views.
Dec 8 2015 12:01PM
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Panda_with_Guns
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buzzedClinton really? Sanders all the way


Though Sanders is popular among young voters, hes to left wing to have any real shot at winning. His ideas are to polar from too many Americans
Dec 8 2015 12:02PM
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S.J.W
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Panda_with_GunsThough Sanders is popular among young voters, hes to left wing to have any real shot at winning. His ideas are to polar from too many Americans

Dec 8 2015 12:08PM
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snowfinder
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Panda_with_GunsThough Sanders is popular among young voters, hes to left wing to have any real shot at winning. His ideas are to polar from too many Americans


Research him yourself, dont listen to the media they dont want him to win because they have nothing invested in him, also he wants to tax the people that own all the media outlets to a reasonable amount. So the media is trying to make people think what you think. Look him up he is the right guy for the job. Asked around too you will start to find he has a lot more supporters than the media is letting on. Proof of this he won Time's readers poll of person of the year.
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Turd.Ferguson
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buzzedResearch him yourself, dont listen to the media they dont want him to win because they have nothing invested in him, also he wants to tax the people that own all the media outlets to a reasonable amount. So the media is trying to make people think what you think. Look him up he is the right guy for the job. Asked around too you will start to find he has a lot more supporters than the media is letting on. Proof of this he won Time's readers poll of person of the year.



Whoever he wants to tax, if he expects to get any votes from republicans, he needs to get a little more moderate. I could forsee people voting for Hillary because shes not a major socialist like Bernie
Dec 8 2015 12:12PM
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no_steeze
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As long as there aren't enough Americans still dumb enough to elect Trump I really don't care what happens. If we become a country that bars Muslims from entering and requires them to carry visible ID, I will probably move out of the US
Dec 8 2015 1:37PM
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270on420out
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I've already written off this election. Every candidate will suck as president.
Dec 8 2015 1:45PM
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Gherbs
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hillary can u fucking not
Dec 8 2015 2:19PM
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Lonely
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Kanye 2020??
Dec 8 2015 2:20PM
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qazwsxedc34
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Hillary will win because presidents are selected not elected.
Dec 8 2015 2:36PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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buzzedResearch him yourself, dont listen to the media they dont want him to win because they have nothing invested in him, also he wants to tax the people that own all the media outlets to a reasonable amount. So the media is trying to make people think what you think. Look him up he is the right guy for the job. Asked around too you will start to find he has a lot more supporters than the media is letting on. Proof of this he won Time's readers poll of person of the year.

I love Sanders as a person, I think he is a great human-being with the right morals and desires. However, I do not think he is a great leader. The President of the United States is almost by definition one of the most powerful men in the world and as a result needs to be capable of leading. I do not think Bernie is that man.

Obviously you will discount this piece as it is written by the media (what isn't?) but I think it highlights a VERY important shortcoming in his platform; his inability to see the larger picture of being President.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/07/the-one-dimensionality-of-bernie-sanders-campaign-is-killing-it/[/URL]

Yes, we need to focus on America and its inequality issue, yes we need to focus on the economy, and YES we need to focus on the race issues that are still evident in our country. However, we also need to look around us and understand we are in an era of globalization, what affects China, India, EU, Russia, etc, also will affect us. We need a President who can look at Russia and tell them to keep their ass in line, go to China and tell them to curb their pollution, and ultimately stay strong in the face of international pressure.


Turd.FergusonWhoever he wants to tax, if he expects to get any votes from republicans, he needs to get a little more moderate. I could forsee people voting for Hillary because shes not a major socialist like Bernie


I think adults will be faster to vote for Hillary than Sanders because they remember the platform of Bill and how it ultimately moved more towards the center.
Dec 8 2015 2:37PM
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FastSpeed
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THEDIRTYBUBBLEI've already written off this election. Every candidate will suck as president.


THIS
Dec 8 2015 2:48PM
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steezburgereddie
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Trump has just become the biggest moron in a country full morons.
Dec 8 2015 2:51PM
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AgitatedHiatus
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S.J.W


And you got this from where?
Dec 8 2015 2:55PM
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AgitatedHiatus
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steezburgereddieTrump has just become the biggest moron in a country full morons.


Dec 8 2015 2:58PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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Turd.FergusonWhoever he wants to tax, if he expects to get any votes from republicans, he needs to get a little more moderate. I could forsee people voting for Hillary because shes not a major socialist like Bernie


He's not a "major socialist" he's a democratic socialist, which is much different.

Also all CNN polls showed he won the debate outright but the media (cnn) owned by time warner (major hillary contributor) painted it that hillary won. The media is against bernie because he is against their interests.

The fact that we have a major candidate with over a million individual donations is amazing. I myself donated $30 I didnt really have because most of his ideas could really make America great, unlike Chump.
Dec 8 2015 3:01PM
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PoLaRpEaK
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I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was gunned down.
Dec 8 2015 3:07PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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PoLaRpEaKI wouldn't be surprised if Trump was gunned down.


Hopefully someone takes El Chapo up on his offer.

Really though I think his views on Muslims is going to kill his campaign.

The fact that we have a businessman/ENTERTAINER leading the GOP is scary as fuck.
Dec 8 2015 3:30PM
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Campeador
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Granite_StateHopefully someone takes El Chapo up on his offer.

Really though I think his views on Muslims is going to kill his campaign.

The fact that we have a businessman/ENTERTAINER leading the GOP is scary as fuck.



I think it's safe to say that most Americans do not share your love of Islam.
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stinky_cheese
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yeah whether you support Hillary or not, which most people on ns do not, she probably will end up winning the election.
Dec 8 2015 6:42PM
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CatBoy
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I'm now convinced Trump is a liberal spy, sent to destroy the GOP from the inside... It's brilliant
Dec 8 2015 6:51PM
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Snowgoner
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This has to be outdated. No way Bush is polling that high.

I'd like to see Rand win the primary but with our voter base being comprised of thick-minded evangelicals that probably won't happen. My next favorite is Cruz, however if he continues to stick his foot in his mouth regarding climate change and abortion then he won't garner any moderate support. Cruz is a genius debater and I agree with his fiscal and immigration stances. I agree with many of Rand's libertarian ideals, mainly his views on federal involvement in state affairs. I'm not crazy about Kasich or Rubio, but at least they provide some sensible arguments to debates that feature the abhorrent Trump at center stage.

The unfortunate thing is that there is no way these guys are as dumb as some of their comments/stances are. The real issue here is the idiotic Republican voter base. I'll vote for Cruz or Rand, but these shouldn't be the only viable conservative options.
Dec 8 2015 7:13PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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CampeadorI think it's safe to say that most Americans do not share your love of Islam.


Did I ever say that? You've become quite adept at putting words in peoples mouths.

I guess that harks back to conservative ignorance then doesnt it? Fearing an entire religion based on the actions of 1% of that population.

But that still doesnt change the fact that your leading GOP candidate is a celebrity. Its really sad that conservatives take pride in that rather than feel embarrassment.
Dec 8 2015 7:30PM
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AK_
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#NewSchoolers4Trump!!!!
Dec 8 2015 7:50PM
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S.J.W
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AgitatedHiatusAnd you got this from where?


Shewlur...This has to be outdated. No way Bush is polling that high.

I'd like to see Rand win the primary but with our voter base being comprised of thick-minded evangelicals that probably won't happen. My next favorite is Cruz, however if he continues to stick his foot in his mouth regarding climate change and abortion then he won't garner any moderate support. Cruz is a genius debater and I agree with his fiscal and immigration stances. I agree with many of Rand's libertarian ideals, mainly his views on federal involvement in state affairs. I'm not crazy about Kasich or Rubio, but at least they provide some sensible arguments to debates that feature the abhorrent Trump at center stage.

The unfortunate thing is that there is no way these guys are as dumb as some of their comments/stances are. The real issue here is the idiotic Republican voter base. I'll vote for Cruz or Rand, but these shouldn't be the only viable conservative options.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/13/more-americans-support-bernie-sanders-than-donald-trump/
Dec 8 2015 11:25PM
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PeppermillReno
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no_steezeAs long as there aren't enough Americans still dumb enough to elect Trump I really don't care what happens. If we become a country that bars Muslims from entering and requires them to carry visible ID, I will probably move out of the US


Why?

I think its awesome that we are finally progressing as a society and moving past bullshit political correctness its cool that he can say this stuff and still have a chance to win.

Look what happened to another Donald, Donald Sterling, for comments he made in private. That witch hunt wasn't cool even if Sterling was a shitty owner who should have been booted from the NBA long ago.


Why the fuck do we need more muslims?
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S.J.W
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PeppermillRenoWhy?

I think its awesome that we are finally progressing as a society and moving past bullshit political correctness its cool that he can say this stuff and still have a chance to win.

Look what happened to another Donald, Donald Sterling, for comments he made in private. That witch hunt wasn't cool even if Sterling was a shitty owner who should have been booted from the NBA long ago.


Why the fuck do we need more muslims?


Yay now I can finally say racist things without fear of being labelled a racist.

Trump is a fucking idiot. First he said Mexican was sending drugs, their rapist, their criminals. Which no credible study has ever found a link between crime and illegal or legal immigration. The opposite was actually found that illegal immigrants are actually less likely to commit crime. Then he's using muslims as a gainer for easy voters by playing on peoples basic fears.

And why do we need more muslims? Well we don't. But the United States constitution gives people the freedom of religion as well as seperation of church and state. Meaning that Trumps comments aren't just xenophobic they're also unconstitutional. And there's nothing less patriotic than being unconstitutional. Or are you proud to be unpatriotic?
Dec 9 2015 12:53AM
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PeppermillReno
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S.J.WYay now I can finally say racist things without fear of being labelled a racist.

Trump is a fucking idiot. First he said Mexican was sending drugs, their rapist, their criminals. Which no credible study has ever found a link between crime and illegal or legal immigration. The opposite was actually found that illegal immigrants are actually less likely to commit crime. Then he's using muslims as a gainer for easy voters by playing on peoples basic fears.

And why do we need more muslims? Well we don't. But the United States constitution gives people the freedom of religion as well as seperation of church and state. Meaning that Trumps comments aren't just xenophobic they're also unconstitutional. And there's nothing less patriotic than being unconstitutional. Or are you proud to be unpatriotic?


Look Im not that gung ho on banning all muslim immigration forever.

But I don't think it should be a taboo thing to talk about because political correctness takes precedent over all else.

Political correctness is honestly out of control people aren't allowed to complain about muslims or raise concerns because they will be branded racists or un pc.


Radical Islam is a problem which I think we can remove from the United States if we have the balls to do it and stop acting like bitches putting political correctness above all else.
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Monsieur_Patate
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PeppermillRenoRadical Islam is a problem which I think we can remove from the United States if we have the balls to do it and stop acting like bitches putting political correctness above all else.


I am also glad political correctness is out the window. I also read on the internet (traditionalistamericanknights.com, check it out, objective and reliable source of information) that Blacks are the ones committing most of the crimes, I propose we either kick them all out of the country, or we put them in a camp or something. Crime is a problem which I think we can remove from the United States if we have the balls to do it and stop acting like bitches.

There is a problem with blacks. It is a violent race that have no place in our western culture.
Dec 9 2015 2:03AM
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PeppermillReno
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Monsieur_PatateI am also glad political correctness is out the window. I also read on the internet (traditionalistamericanknights.com, check it out, objective and reliable source of information) that Blacks are the ones committing most of the crimes, I propose we either kick them all out of the country, or we put them in a camp or something. Crime is a problem which I think we can remove from the United States if we have the balls to do it and stop acting like bitches.

There is a problem with blacks. It is a violent race that have no place in our western culture.



Look I know that my position and opinion might be a little extreme. There is just no alternative to this problem that would work.

Do you see how extreme your stance is in thinking anyone who agrees with Trump or thinks he has a point is racist?
Dec 9 2015 2:23AM
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ianrich511
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no_steezeAs long as there aren't enough Americans still dumb enough to elect Trump I really don't care what happens. If we become a country that bars Muslims from entering and requires them to carry visible ID, I will probably move out of the US


like all the southerners said if Obama was elected...

CampeadorI think it's safe to say that most Americans do not share your love of Islam.


We can only hope.

S.J.WFirst he said Mexican was sending drugs, their rapist, their criminals.


Do you not believe that the cartel wants to get as much of their drugs as possible to sell in the U.S. The rapist thing, idk, but criminals and drugs are definitely true.
Dec 9 2015 7:53AM
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supersquid
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trump is saying all of this crazy stuff because its a negotiation tactic. say a bunch of crazy stuff that way when you say what you actually want it makes you look less extreme and that your compromising. that way when hes met in the middle he gets everything he wanted. Hes one of the best business people in the world, i think hes got a few tricks up his sleeve. not saying i agree with everything he says im just saying hes smarter than all you guys think he is
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onLINE
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^a lot of successful business professionals are racist pieces of shit and have no right running the most powerful country in the world. He may be dumber then a lot of you think.
Dec 9 2015 9:21AM
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Rparr
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My issue with sanders is how the fuck is a country going to pay for all of his policies? The economy is already not in the best place, I know a lot of people won't want their taxes going up.
Dec 9 2015 9:45AM
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yangumane
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onLINEHe may be dumber then a lot of you think.


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Dec 9 2015 10:09AM
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S.J.W
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ianrich511Do you not believe that the cartel wants to get as much of their drugs as possible to sell in the U.S. The rapist thing, idk, but criminals and drugs are definitely true.


No it's not true. Yes Mexico smuggles drugs into America. That's a given, but no study has been able to find a correlation between crime and illegal immigration.
Dec 9 2015 10:24AM
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Funkadelic
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S.J.Whttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/13/more-americans-support-bernie-sanders-than-donald-trump/


Well it is kind of outdated being from October. A lot has changed in the Republican polls since then. For the record I'm not a Trump supporter, nor a Republican. I fall in that yellow indipendent sliver on the pie chart. But I think that graph of supporters is more a product of there being more Republicans with a legitimate shot of still winning the ticket vs the Democrats only having Bernie or Hillary as legitimate contenders.

Take some of the Republicans off the table and I'm sure Trump would surpass Bernie in supporters. Whether that's good bad or otherwise doesn't really matter. I think Trump is a moron, but sadly so are most people in this country.
Dec 9 2015 10:46AM
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ianrich511
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S.J.WNo it's not true. Yes Mexico smuggles drugs into America. That's a given, but no study has been able to find a correlation between crime and illegal immigration.


smuggles
-move (goods) illegally into or out of a country.

crime
-an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.


That should cover all bases.
Dec 9 2015 11:16AM
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S.J.W
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ianrich511smuggles
-move (goods) illegally into or out of a country.

crime
-an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.


That should cover all bases.


http://immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/criminalization-immigration-united-states

I think some statistics may be a better reference...
Dec 9 2015 11:55AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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Posted in the Sanders thread, found it funny.

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Charlie_Kelly
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ianrich511Do you not believe that the cartel wants to get as much of their drugs as possible to sell in the U.S. The rapist thing, idk, but criminals and drugs are definitely true.


Maybe if we legalized the drugs they were smuggling then they wouldn't have a reason to smuggle and crime rates from that would drop....One of Reagan's largest blunders was declaring a war on drugs...

jmellberg800 Hes one of the best business people in the world, i think hes got a few tricks up his sleeve. not saying i agree with everything he says im just saying hes smarter than all you guys think he is[/QUOTELol not by a long shot. There are many, many businessmen smarter and more successful than he is.

I think he's a decent businessman and a god awful candidate/politician. He would, without a doubt, ruin this country and most likely would make us the most hated country in the world (if we aren't already). The only thing I like about him is he's anti-PC, which we need more of in this country.
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.MASSHOLE.
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Trump is a pretty piss-poor business man in terms of pure ROI....His returns on investments are worse than the S&P 500...
Dec 9 2015 12:16PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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.MASSHOLE.Trump is a pretty piss-poor business man in terms of pure ROI....His returns on investments are worse than the S&P 500...


Not to mention he has what, 5 bankrupted businesses? He really is a joke.
Dec 9 2015 12:37PM
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S.J.W
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Granite_StateNot to mention he has what, 5 bankrupted businesses? He really is a joke.


Plus Trump could potentially be worth 10 billion more than he is now if he just invested his money in 1982.
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Lé.Skiing
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**************Conspiracy Theory ALERT**********

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/09/jeb-bush-jokes-of-trump-clinton-conspiracy-theory-heres-a-look-at-the-evidence/?tid=ss_fb
Dec 9 2015 1:25PM
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ianrich511
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Granite_StateMaybe if we legalized the drugs they were smuggling then they wouldn't have a reason to smuggle and crime rates from that would drop....One of Reagan's largest blunders was declaring a war on drugs...


Agreed. The war on drugs is a waste of money.

Granite_StateNot to mention he has what, 5 bankrupted businesses? He really is a joke.


Bankruptcy comes in more than one form, many people use it to reorganize/protect themselves, which is what his were.
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Monsieur_Patate
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PeppermillRenoLook I know that my position and opinion might be a little extreme. There is just no alternative to this problem that would work.

Do you see how extreme your stance is in thinking anyone who agrees with Trump or thinks he has a point is racist?


I understand that you might agree with some of his opinions, but if you want to ban all the Muslims out of the country, then I am sorry but that is the textbook definition of racism. Not to mention completely unrealistic. Trump is obviously lying his way into office by appealing to the ignorant masses. Take a closer look at his propositions for Christ's sake:

Mexico? Let's build a wall
Muslims? Let's ban all of them
Shootings? Let's give everybody a gun
Internet? We just close it up. Get me Bill Gates on the line.

Are you fucking serious? Are those real solutions? It seems like the ones a 5 years old would come up with. It completely ignores research and statistics on the issues. How is anyone supposed to take him or his supporters seriously?

It does make sense in a way because most of his support comes from people without a degree, and uneducated people tend to care less about statistical proof an research rather than populism. But from my perspective, yeah it all seems pretty ridiculous.
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