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Global climate change and skiing

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doot
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If carbon emissions are not cut dramatically, the next century could really suck for skiers.

If the predicted 1-3 degrees celsius increase in global temperature occurs, then snow would become more or less nonexistent- hell, even the arctic would be ice free (during the summer) by mid-century. So basically, no more skiing for our kids or their kids, just about anywhere one earth. We could literally be one of the last skiing generations.
Nov 30 2015 8:49PM
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Connor_Sullivan
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masterofnoneIf carbon emissions are not cut dramatically, the next century could really suck for skiers.

If the predicted 1-3 degrees celsius increase in global temperature occurs, then snow would become more or less nonexistent- hell, even the arctic would be ice free (during the summer) by mid-century. So basically, no more skiing for our kids or their kids, just about anywhere one earth. We could literally be one of the last skiing generations.


Its scary stuff. But the worst of it is, without government intervention (large scale) no significant change is gong to occur. There needs to be a massive change in the way we live our daily lives... and every day that change doesn't come the clocks counts down a bit farther.
Nov 30 2015 8:54PM
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Rennis_Deynolds
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masterofnoneIf the predicted 1-3 degrees celsius increase in global temperature occurs, then snow would become more or less nonexistent


Nov 30 2015 8:55PM
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Kygourz
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although there would be no outdoor resorts open indoor skiing would become more popular, their are already places in dubia and europe that I know of plus ive seen some cool dryslope setups in line videos. I really hope it doesn't come to this but I have a feeling as an 18 year old im gonna need to buy a surfboard to keep occupied most of the time because im not counting on skiing being a big thing anymore in 2035.
Nov 30 2015 9:18PM
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Kygourz
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Steezenbreezealthough there would be no outdoor resorts open indoor skiing would become more popular, their are already places in dubia and europe that I know of plus ive seen some cool dryslope setups in line videos. I really hope it doesn't come to this but I have a feeling as an 18 year old im gonna need to buy a surfboard to keep occupied most of the time because im not counting on skiing being a big thing anymore in 2035.


never hoped I've made a more inaccurate post than right now
Nov 30 2015 9:19PM
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trannyfinder.edu
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That is mostly true, but climate change is happening, not Global Warming. On the east cost temps could get colder resulting in more snow, while the west could suffer from drought & warm weather. Nobody really knows whats going to happen, but i sure as hell want something to change. plz obama
Nov 30 2015 11:09PM
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Puns
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Kygourzalthough there would be no outdoor resorts open indoor skiing would become more popular, their are already places in dubia and europe that I know of plus ive seen some cool dryslope setups in line videos. I really hope it doesn't come to this but I have a feeling as an 18 year old im gonna need to buy a surfboard to keep occupied most of the time because im not counting on skiing being a big thing anymore in 2035.


This is not a 'solution' or even a desirable option - as I see it this only contributes to the burning of fossil fuels to temporarily 'sustain' systems requiring extreme amounts of energy. These types of uses exacerbating climate change while providing relatively small benefits imo. Skiing is super dope and I agree with what's been said - government action does not project major or sufficient change of extraction permissions. Like on the Rossignol S3 graphics from 2009, greed is the 3rd of the seven deadly sins depicted as oil refineries and dinosaur bones on them. We can transform our culture yet though and say what's what :)
Dec 1 2015 12:47AM
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DaveJ
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I'm sure it will continue to snow until you die
Dec 1 2015 12:57AM
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Nikolaus
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depressing but true. we need change and we need it now.
Dec 1 2015 1:10AM
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.otto.
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Daveycrocit1010I'm sure it will continue to snow until you die


Yes... but less and less, im especially worried for skiing in places that always hover at around freezing all winter.. like michigan... a 1 or 2 celcius increase would make most of our snow rain and make blowing snow very difficult too.

Its depressing as fuck!


Normal everyday People who dont love cold weather probably dont care much about increasing temps because they like warmer weather! If it was global cooling maybe it would be the other way around :(
Dec 1 2015 8:40AM
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Lonely
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What sucks about climate change is that even though we know it's happening, we aren't really sure what it will do. Some places might have more snow and cooler temperatures, or the whole world could turn into a desert (exaggeration hopefully) we just don't know.

What really is shitty is that as a species we are walking with are arms wide open into the apocalypse. We have been told and shown are dismal future, and we aren't doing anything to change it. We openly embrace it with movies and media and continued overconsumption.

I mean cmon, we have an epidemic of obesity in the U.S., yet 13% of the human species is undernourished. There is more than enough food to go around, but we're greedy humans who don't give a fuck about self preservation. We just care about getting things the cheapest and the quickest.

I'm not some hippy or anything, the worlds just fucked and we aren't going to do anything about it.
Dec 1 2015 9:25AM
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doot
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BarryMcKocinerThat is mostly true, but climate change is happening, not Global Warming. On the east cost temps could get colder resulting in more snow, while the west could suffer from drought & warm weather. Nobody really knows whats going to happen, but i sure as hell want something to change. plz obama


Yeah, that's one possibility, but we really have no idea what will happen when the temp rises. The gulf current could stop, resulting in arctic winters in England, that's true, but in terms of the east coast getting more snow, that's a temporary trend, I haven't read anything that says we will be getting more snow long-term
Dec 1 2015 4:48PM
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Doc.Stomp
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That mashed potatos ep with the future kids asking what skiing was like will come true if nothing is done....
Dec 1 2015 9:05PM
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mountainmanpete
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#bernie2k16
Dec 2 2015 12:09AM
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Rusticles
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It might be the epidemic we need
Dec 2 2015 12:17AM
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FrankerZ
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In a skiers perspective, global warming might be a good thing, since precipitation and extreme storms will increase.
Dec 2 2015 7:10AM
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.Morton
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RusticlesIt might be the epidemic we need


I don't know if I'm interpreting this right but I think even though it's messed up it's probably right. People are not going to change what we're doing until it's too late, which some people say it already is, and the consequences are already taking place.
Dec 2 2015 8:55AM
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WVskiing
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Dec 2 2015 9:15AM
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WVskiing
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Listen up..

How can you trust these predictions if they can't even forecast 15 years correctly?????

The earth isn't warming, get over it.

Oh yeah, and that that US is snow cover is 15% above average.
Dec 2 2015 9:17AM
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WVskiing
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And no one bash my data either, that is NOAA satellite data. RSS & UAH.
You can't deny it, thats real as it gets.
Dec 2 2015 9:18AM
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Rusticles
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.MortonI don't know if I'm interpreting this right but I think even though it's messed up it's probably right. People are not going to change what we're doing until it's too late, which some people say it already is, and the consequences are already taking place.


I know it's crazy to think, but......................

Human life will not continue indefinitely, we will become extinct at some point in time, maybe 10 years from now, maybe 100000 years from now, could be something completely outside our control. All through out history there have been many type's of plagues to "cull the herd" at some point. Maybe this will be a modern day plague that will bring down the population so that there are more resources for the survivors. Nature will bounce back.

Kinda fucked
Dec 2 2015 10:30AM
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Pac2
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WVskiingListen up..

How can you trust these predictions if they can't even forecast 15 years correctly?????

The earth isn't warming, get over it.

Oh yeah, and that that US is snow cover is 15% above average.


Dont think of it as global warming think of it as climate change, so instead of just extremes heat wise its sort of goes both ways. Climate change can create extremes of cold and hot, the real issue is that it alters the jet stream so places that usually dont get a lot of snow might get more than average amounts of snow and vise versa, not saying your data is incorrect but just because snow is falling more than average does not mean climate change isnt real.
Dec 2 2015 11:43AM
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Pac2
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honestly i really think that the way these changes will be made, switching to clean energy instead of fossil fuels, etc. is partly through the government. Politicians literally are paid by fossil fuel industries to say that global warming isn't real, i know that recently obama spoke about the topic and as of now china and the us are the leading polluters. So my hopes are that someone becomes president in the upcoming election who will do something about this issue and that people will follow. Might sound ridiculous bringing politics and that stuff into this topic but i feel if that were to happen people might do more about it because lets be honest the ski community alone isnt going to be able to fix a problem this large, although we can definitely do something to help fix it, we are going to need the majority of people to fully make a big change.
Dec 2 2015 11:51AM
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AK_
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Liberal propaganda. Prime reason to vote for Trump.
Dec 2 2015 12:16PM
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cozzey
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Mad Max could become a reality
Dec 2 2015 12:29PM
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WVskiing
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kryptonicDont think of it as global warming think of it as climate change, so instead of just extremes heat wise its sort of goes both ways. Climate change can create extremes of cold and hot, the real issue is that it alters the jet stream so places that usually dont get a lot of snow might get more than average amounts of snow and vise versa, not saying your data is incorrect but just because snow is falling more than average does not mean climate change isnt real.


How about you get some data to back this up, because I have not seen any. Climate extremes are not occurring.
Dec 2 2015 4:45PM
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doot
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WVskiingHow about you get some data to back this up, because I have not seen any. Climate extremes are not occurring.


NASA has a great database on this, and 97% of climate scientists agree that it's happening. But look at California's drought and the East Coast's winter. Here's the NASA link: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Dec 2 2015 4:55PM
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49566738265
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This is just God's way of stifling progression. He won't stop until we are back to 5's and 7's with no grabs winning comps.
Dec 2 2015 4:59PM
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.Morton
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Dustin.This is just God's way of stifling progression. He won't stop until we are back to 5's and 7's with no grabs winning comps.


Once someone does a quad the gateway to hell will open up and Earth is surely done for
Dec 2 2015 5:06PM
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moosevision
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While I'll admit it's a scary thing to talk about I've found that a lot of evidence done by investigators outside of the IPCC, (Ex. NPICC) who have no political agenda or government backing, point to climate change as being a natural phenomenon within a developing eco-system. In my opinion the theory of mad made climate change is pure propaganda and shady science at best. I won't deny the climate is changing but I don't think humans emissions are a factor that drives climate nor do I agree that the warming is happening at such a fast rate. One thing I'd point out is the clear correlation between sunspot activity and global temperate, the effects this has on our ocean temps etc. It's interesting that the correlation between co2 and temperate is often misrepresented. They are correlated, however its shown backwards. The correlation is that as temperatures rise co2 amounts rise, not that as co2 amounts rise temperatures rise. This has to do with how our oceans emit and dissipate co2 based on the water temps. After all the sun and oceans are our major climate drivers so why cite co2 as the reason for warming and ignore the obvious? Climate changes, it always has and it always will.

It's still such a highly debated topic, even in the science and climate world. It's just not true that 97% of scientists agree, half of the people the IPCC put on that list aren't even climate experts or even scientists! For every "scientist" you can find who agrees I bet I can find one who disagrees! Like Bill Nye haha he's a civil engineer, not a scientist, not a climate scientist! I'm not sure if he's on their list, but regardless people love to quote him on the topic!

Regardless I'm all for green energy, however not all green energy is actually green. Hybrid and electric cars (sorta green energy stuff), those battery's go though one hell of a production process, and disposing of them is awful! I'd like to harness the power of the rivers and oceans, MORE HYDRO-ELECTIC PLANTS 2016!!

Climate expert William Happer, from Princeton University said "No chemical compound in the atmosphere has a worse reputation than CO2, thanks to the single-minded demonisation of this natural and essential atmospheric gas by advocates of government control and energy production.The incredible list of supposed horrors that increasing carbon dioxide will bring the world is pure belief disguised as science."

Shit I'm ranting goodbye
Dec 2 2015 10:34PM
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moosevision
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Temperate?? Fuck you autocorrect.
Dec 2 2015 10:36PM
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Guesstimate
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WVskiing


Please stop spouting things that aren't true. Its hard to tell because the picture is so small, but It looks like this graph only goes to around 2000.

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

take a look at graphs which go farther back in time, The average temperature of the globe has slowly been climbing since the industrial revolution, increasing exponentially.
Dec 3 2015 12:02AM
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Guesstimate
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WVskiingAnd no one bash my data either, that is NOAA satellite data. RSS & UAH.
You can't deny it, thats real as it gets.


I'm not going to bash your data, but its not as simple as warm=bad, cold=good. Global warming is based on greenhouse gasses entering our atmosphere, specifically CFCs, which is the main culprit of ozone depletion, which has basically been banned and the ozone layer is recovering, albeit slowly. Climate change is based on changes in climate, not weather like you have pointed out with your map. They are different things, weather is short term, say, a few years. Climate is long term, its the average weather the region experiences, Like how Africa is hotter then Canada, but that doesn't mean Africa can still get cold. One good year of snow doesn't magically mean climate change isn't happening. go ask the Maldivian prime minister where his Islands are going, I doubt he's going to mention the better snow coverage in the US.
Dec 3 2015 12:14AM
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Guesstimate
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WVskiingHow about you get some data to back this up, because I have not seen any. Climate extremes are not occurring.


http://www.emdat.be/natural-disasters-trends
Dec 3 2015 12:16AM
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WVskiing
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Guesstimatehttp://www.emdat.be/natural-disasters-trends


dude, that shit is skewed. You see what happened was In the 90s, the NWS changed the method for measuring rainfall. We can not even accurately measure rainfall, how you be so convinced we are changing the climate.

Anyways, if we stop putting carbon in the atmosphere, its not going to change anything
Dec 3 2015 9:08AM
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Kennyf
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If fusion power actually works, and people adapt to it, it might save skiing

Fusion power is a form of nuclear power. Instead of using uranium, it uses hydrogen from ocean water ( basically INFINITE energy) and the only bi poduct is water.

essentially, it is a clean safe way to make energy that doesnt harm the enviroment

all of the large science companies are working on it, Lockeed-Martin, Boeing, Nasa
its supposed to me 5-20 years away

THERES HOPE GUYS
Dec 3 2015 2:18PM
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qyleberry
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We need a mass genocide.. that will fix the problem
Dec 3 2015 2:36PM
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freeballer
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We can't even predict what the weather is going to do 2 weeks out, so I'm skeptical of anyone saying that a 2 degree Celsius increase in temperature will do all these crazy things to the earth.
Dec 3 2015 2:52PM
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qyleberry
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freeballerWe can't even predict what the weather is going to do 2 weeks out, so I'm skeptical of anyone saying that a 2 degree Celsius increase in temperature will do all these crazy things to the earth.


I'm just going to stay calm and let whatever happen happen, I don't think skiing will end in 2 generations... People are going crazy after having November Warm
Dec 3 2015 2:55PM
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S.J.W
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WVskiing


Get fucked kid. Like 98% of all scientists agree climate change is a real threat and humans are the main cause. You're going to tell me you think you know better than the scientists who study this shit?
Dec 3 2015 3:04PM
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Brunzy
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AK_Liberal propaganda. Prime reason to vote for Trump.


This.
Dec 3 2015 3:16PM
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FrankerZ
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KennyfIf fusion power actually works, and people adapt to it, it might save skiing

Fusion power is a form of nuclear power. Instead of using uranium, it uses hydrogen from ocean water ( basically INFINITE energy) and the only bi poduct is water.

essentially, it is a clean safe way to make energy that doesnt harm the enviroment

all of the large science companies are working on it, Lockeed-Martin, Boeing, Nasa
its supposed to me 5-20 years away

THERES HOPE GUYS


We don't really need fusion, If we stared using more nuclear (fission) it would solve every climate problem related to energy production.
Dec 3 2015 3:25PM
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Gman23
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What you need to realize is that there is patterns in our weather. Im not saying global warming isn't happening, what I'm saying is that it's not as bad as some of you are saying. The record high temp for my area near Pittsburgh for today was over 100 years ago.
Dec 3 2015 4:09PM
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Willows
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Connor_SullivanIts scary stuff. But the worst of it is, without government intervention (large scale) no significant change is gong to occur. There needs to be a massive change in the way we live our daily lives... and every day that change doesn't come the clocks counts down a bit farther.


While this is true, we the people are the ones who will have to change. If we all change our way of living and start to speak out in the public climate debate, politicians are bound to follow. Their survival as politicians are determined by whether or not they have a following of voters and if they see that the public wants change in the climate policy they will have to obey. At the end of the day all politicians (especially right-winged ones) are populists.
Dec 3 2015 4:25PM
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WVskiing
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The.Natty.VeganGet fucked kid. Like 98% of all scientists agree climate change is a real threat and humans are the main cause. You're going to tell me you think you know better than the scientists who study this shit?




No, 33% said is caused my humans.
Dec 3 2015 6:09PM
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S.J.W
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WVskiing


No, 33% said is caused my humans.


I couldn't even find that image when I searched google for it. Well that goes to show how shit your source is. Get fucked if you actually think humans aren't the main cause of climate change. No one can be that stupid can they???

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Dec 3 2015 6:15PM
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WVskiing
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Hahaha, this is what NASA cited.



http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024


So there is no true Consensus


And scientist is not a consensus
Dec 3 2015 6:15PM
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WVskiing
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The.Natty.VeganI couldn't even find that image when I searched google for it. Well that goes to show how shit your source is. Get fucked if you actually think humans aren't the main cause of climate change. No one can be that stupid can they???

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/


I just posted it
Dec 3 2015 6:16PM
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S.J.W
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WVskiingHahaha, this is what NASA cited.



http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024


So there is no true Consensus


And scientist is not a consensus



" Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming" that's literally in like the first 3 sentences in the study.

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024;jsessionid=455262E998C3CF9F6589A7BAEC684545.c4.iopscience.cld.iop.org

But I highly doubt you have even read the study as it does come in the form of an easy to look at picture and requires some form of intelligence, that of which you do not possess. Only 0.7% of scientists disagree with climate change. Around 65% haven't made up their mind 35% of scientists who have said climate change exists 97% of them agree humans are the main cause.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/798304/UQx-DENIAL101x-1-2-2-1-Consensus-of-Scientists

GTFO kid, you sound alot like Donald Trump
Dec 3 2015 6:56PM
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corona
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moosevisionIn my opinion the theory of mad made climate change is pure propaganda and shady science at best.


and that's all it is. your opinion.


Out of curiosity, for what ends would there be a global propaganda conspiracy about climate change? Who benefits? Would the people who benefit have the money to make this happen? Or is it more likely the people who don't benefit have the money to make people think it's all propaganda?
Dec 3 2015 7:13PM
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WVskiing
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The.Natty.Vegan" Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming" that's literally in like the first 3 sentences in the study.

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024;jsessionid=455262E998C3CF9F6589A7BAEC684545.c4.iopscience.cld.iop.org

But I highly doubt you have even read the study as it does come in the form of an easy to look at picture and requires some form of intelligence, that of which you do not possess. Only 0.7% of scientists disagree with climate change. Around 65% haven't made up their mind 35% of scientists who have said climate change exists 97% of them agree humans are the main cause.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/798304/UQx-DENIAL101x-1-2-2-1-Consensus-of-Scientists

GTFO kid, you sound alot like Donald Trump


Dude, your an idiot. You clearly can't read. It is saying out of the paper that say its AGW, 97% of those people respond to him and endorsed it.
Dec 3 2015 8:16PM
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