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NinetyFourWax your bases with a warm temp wax, and scrape them while they're still hot. Repeat until clean, then wax them with the appropriate temperature wax.
-notch-thanks man, if it's just a couple of mud spot should I still do this or there an easier route?
-notch-thanks man, if it's just a couple of mud spot should I still do this or there an easier route?
WillowsYou could use a brass brush and brush the dirt out and then wax you skis
onenerdykidIf there is visible mud on your bases, then take a wet rag and wipe off all of it off. This will not mean that the mud is gone, as it will be deep in your base, and you will need to do what NinetyFour has described in order to get it all out.
Do not use chemical products called "base cleaners" on your bases as they will dry them out, and dissolve any wax that may be in your bases. Always clean your bases via the hot scrape method described above.
NinetyFourWax your bases with a warm temp wax, and scrape them while they're still hot. Repeat until clean, then wax them with the appropriate temperature wax.
WillowsYou could use a brass brush and brush the dirt out and then wax you skis
onenerdykidIf there is visible mud on your bases, then take a wet rag and wipe off all of it off. This will not mean that the mud is gone, as it will be deep in your base, and you will need to do what NinetyFour has described in order to get it all out.
Do not use chemical products called "base cleaners" on your bases as they will dry them out, and dissolve any wax that may be in your bases. Always clean your bases via the hot scrape method described above.
-notch-alright so it was my first day skiing on them yesterday, so there should still be a solid amount of wax on them.
the new problem is I was using a rag to wipe the bases, ON3P, and the rag was an old black shirt or something and the dye kind of rubbed off in the white on the base. will this come out? purely cosmetic and probably doesn't affect the ski but I really hate having the black streak
WillowsIs it deeply embedded in the soles. If not you could try a soft brush and soap
.lenconI recommend skiing on snow:D
-notch-there's no snow over here in the east
onenerdykidIf there is visible mud on your bases, then take a wet rag and wipe off all of it off. This will not mean that the mud is gone, as it will be deep in your base, and you will need to do what NinetyFour has described in order to get it all out.
Do not use chemical products called "base cleaners" on your bases as they will dry them out, and dissolve any wax that may be in your bases. Always clean your bases via the hot scrape method described above.
NinetyFourThat is kind of a weird one. I would think it would come out with time if you're skiing them and waxing/tuning whenever is necessary. I'll admit though, I'm not 100% on that.
WillowsIs it deeply embedded in the soles. If not you could try a soft brush and soap
DingoSeanIt's mud. Just use a hose.
chuckmartyWell, I just learned something new about base cleaners. I've never used them on my own skis but some of my friends have on theirs. Thanks for sharing
onenerdykidApparently, there are some new chemical base cleaners that will not eat your wax but I don't trust them. Base cleaners definitely do clean your base, but they dissolve the wax that is in your base too. If you have nice sintered bases that you regularly hot wax, then stay away from the base cleaners. You'll never do any harm to your bases by hot scraping, while the same cannot be said for using base cleaners.
onenerdykidApparently, there are some new chemical base cleaners that will not eat your wax but I don't trust them. Base cleaners definitely do clean your base, but they dissolve the wax that is in your base too. If you have nice sintered bases that you regularly hot wax, then stay away from the base cleaners. You'll never do any harm to your bases by hot scraping, while the same cannot be said for using base cleaners.
onenerdykidApparently, there are some new chemical base cleaners that will not eat your wax but I don't trust them. Base cleaners definitely do clean your base, but they dissolve the wax that is in your base too. If you have nice sintered bases that you regularly hot wax, then stay away from the base cleaners. You'll never do any harm to your bases by hot scraping, while the same cannot be said for using base cleaners.
onenerdykidApparently, there are some new chemical base cleaners that will not eat your wax but I don't trust them. Base cleaners definitely do clean your base, but they dissolve the wax that is in your base too. If you have nice sintered bases that you regularly hot wax, then stay away from the base cleaners. You'll never do any harm to your bases by hot scraping, while the same cannot be said for using base cleaners.
chuckmartyI recently talked to one of my snowboarder friends about base cleaners and told him what you said- that they dry out the bases and dissolve the wax and his response was "yeah, that's the point". I didn't really have a response for that since it seemed pretty stupid. I basically told him, "no, that's the opposite of what you want". FYI this guy likes to think he knows everything about everything and if he doesn't, he lies and pretends he does.
What's a good, educated rebuttal to his "yeah, that's the point" statement?
chuckmartyI recently talked to one of my snowboarder friends about base cleaners and told him what you said- that they dry out the bases and dissolve the wax and his response was "yeah, that's the point". I didn't really have a response for that since it seemed pretty stupid. I basically told him, "no, that's the opposite of what you want". FYI this guy likes to think he knows everything about everything and if he doesn't, he lies and pretends he does.
What's a good, educated rebuttal to his "yeah, that's the point" statement?
LamafamaThe stuff can say in the pores of the base and ins't easy to remove.
rozboonTell me more about these pores in ski bases.......
rozboonTell me more about these pores in ski bases.......
chuckmartycorrect me if I'm totally off my nut, but I think that's right
LamafamaI used a simple word so people would understand the concept of how wax bonds to ultra high molecular weight plastics. But since you seem set on being pedantic / stupid / difficult. I shall re phrase it, base cleaner can become trapped in the bases structure and interfere with the way it works.
LamafamaThe base structure is designed to retain wax and depending on how the wax compound works the structure of the base will interact differently with the snow. for instance some structures and waxes work on a hydrophilic level and some on a hydrophobic level. Solvents such as those found in base cleaners disrupt the process as they break down the compounds in waxes and render the base inert. I could go on...
rozboonRather you used a simple word that perpetuates a myth continued by wax companies. Film adhesion and an extremely low level of surface dilution are completely different concepts to the continually believed "pores" myth, as evidenced by the post above.
The base structure, as you say, is designed to either repel or retain water to maximise glide in different snow conditions. Nothing to do with wax.
I'd love to hear more about this "render the base inert" bit. As opposed to what? Is the base normally reactive? Wouldn't rendering it inert be a good thing? There is so much witchcraft and bollocks associated with this area of skiing, from a whole lot of people who should know better.
LamafamaWhich craft or balls it is not old chap, its pretty simple. You don't seem to understand how wax and structure are linked. The base won't do that on its own, it needs a friction activated wax to enable it act as a hydrophilic. Same reason in fresh snow you want the base to act as a hydrophobic & anti static.
Different structures affect how wax performs and are needed for different conditions. Same way for man made snow you would polish your edges more than for fresh snow. To be utterly pedantic the base does have pores as that is what retains the wax in the structure, the main purpose of structure is to remove any vacuum effect from under the base.
rozboonThere is so much witchcraft and bollocks associated with this area of skiing, from a whole lot of people who should know better.
onenerdykidI'll definitely say that I don't know enough about the chemical/molecular nature of a sintered base. But even if I don't know the exact nature of it, I don't think it is a mistake to describe the application of wax to a ski base with the metaphors that have been used above.
For example, if I have an unwaxed/dry sintered base and I apply a coat of melted fluronated/hydrocarbon wax to it, I notice that the melted wax does get absorbed by the base material. Whether it's due to "pores" (which I don't think there are pores like my skin in the base material) or a sponge-like action, the wax is going into the base. .
onenerdykidAnd the more I wax, the faster my base gets. The less I wax, the slower my base becomes. These are the basic principles of waxing a ski and the albeit simple observations of what happens and what works
rozboonThe base absolutely will act in a hydrophobic/hydrophilic manner solely through the use of structuring. How do you think car tyres work to displace water? They don't require wax to do it, the principles at work are exactly the same. On the contrary, I don't think you understand it, and you're just repeating years of wax industry dogma.
onenerdykidI'll definitely say that I don't know enough about the chemical/molecular nature of a sintered base. But even if I don't know the exact nature of it, I don't think it is a mistake to describe the application of wax to a ski base with the metaphors that have been used above.
For example, if I have an unwaxed/dry sintered base and I apply a coat of melted fluronated/hydrocarbon wax to it, I notice that the melted wax does get absorbed by the base material. Whether it's due to "pores" (which I don't think there are pores like my skin in the base material) or a sponge-like action, the wax is going into the base. And the more I wax, the faster my base gets. The less I wax, the slower my base becomes. These are the basic principles of waxing a ski and the albeit simple observations of what happens and what works.
B.QuincySo question, what should i do pre wax just wipe the bases with a wet rag or?
onenerdykid1. clean base surfaces with a damp rag
2. hot scrape
-notch-did some grass and mud riding today at my local mountain, got some dirt bases and not really sure how to get it out.
