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UPSIDEDOWNDICKnot a smart move. wouldn't be surprised if parts of turkey get bombed back into the stone age
DeebieSkeebiesholy shit, NS is turning into a facebook feed.
BrueTurkey said there were targets for the Russians in there area, but when they shot the Russians down, the Russians were under fire from the rebels? What? Sounds like Turkey is protecting the rebels. Turkey is fucked and I hope NATO leaves them out for their own mistakes. Not worth other countries paying for Turkey's fuck up and possible hiding of rebels.
To the people who don't want to read this, don't. You can live your life without knowing what is happening in the world. Just make sure my burgers are flipped twice and don't forget the pickles.
californiagrownTurkey has been at war with the Kurds for years. The Kurds are helping to fight Isis and rebel groups associated with Isis.
The enemy of my enemies enemy is my enemy, ya dig?
Russia cannot say or do anything if they were not invited into Turkish airspace.
More facts will come out in the coming days.
Btw, pretty sure the Russian plane bombing was a false flag operation meant to get the country into Syria. Similar to how the apartment building bombing in the 90's was exposed as a false flag operation meant to get the country at war with chechyn Muslims.
NinetyFourIt's going to take time and more details for us to be sure. This incident here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
It makes the US look seriously bad, and it wasn't a smooth move. However if you read up on it, watch the Mayday, etc, then it's not hard to understand why the crew of the Vincennes acted the way they did.
However looking forward I don't know how the involved parties will act though. Just right now though it's hard to get a stellar picture in the midst of the media's blasts.
DeebieSkeebiesbut really, will be interesting to see if this gets sorted out diplomatically or if putin just full-on invades turkey like he did to Ukraine.
NinetyFourIt's going to take time and more details for us to be sure. This incident here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
It makes the US look seriously bad, and it wasn't a smooth move. However if you read up on it, watch the Mayday, etc, then it's not hard to understand why the crew of the Vincennes acted the way they did.
Monsieur_PatateI don't really get your point. But if it is that the U.S also fucked up big time, then yes, we agree.
I mean, you enter Iranian waters illegally, and then you shoot down an Iranian plane just for being there, in its own airspace, you fucked up. Forget the fact that the plane wasn't showing an attacking behavior as it was on a continuous ascent in altitude and forget the fact that the military crew failed to read the commercial airliners schedules, they still fucked up.
If I'm on my couch enjoying a Popsicle when I hear somebody outside yelling, 'you with the gun, identify yourself'; I'm going to assume he's not talking to me and keep enjoying my popsicle as I should be able to in my own home, not doing anything wrong. And if the fucker shots me dead anyway, it doesn't really matter if he feared for his life at the time, he still clearly misread the situation, he fucked up.
californiagrownThe US had very good reason to be in Iranian waters- they had just shot at one of our helicoptors which was in international waters and we needed to protect it. Huge mistake on the US's part shooting down the airliner. We fucked up. bad, bad, bad.
WTF does this have to do with what went down over Turkey?
californiagrownWTF does this have to do with what went down over Turkey?
NinetyFourThere's so many parallels if you read into both incidents. Firstly there's close proximity to international borders (with today Russia claims their jet never entered Turkey, Turkey claims it did) and how the rules of engagement come into play.
Then there is the "ignored warnings" (Iran Flight 665 heard their warnings, but they were confused and never thought they applied to them). Who knows, maybe the Russian Jet wasn't on the frequency that Turkey was broadcasting on.
There is also the element of high military tensions that force fast decisions to be made (The Vincennes still didn't have to fire even if it was an Iranian F-14 but how can you be sure as to their intent, especially with poor communications). It's unlikely that the Russian fighter jet was going to do anything to Turkey, but if you read RT's articles the Russian perspective clearly paints a picture that Turkey is assisting ISIS heavily, so who knows.
There's just a lot in common between the incidents, and we DO have solid evidence of what happened between the Vincennes and Iran Flight 665, so why not use what we've learned in the past and apply it to what we don't fully understand yet?
Monsieur_PatateI don't know man, seems to me it was an overzealous and aggressive behavior from the captain that led them to the Iranian waters looking for a fight, rather than a 'good reason'.
Clearly that guy Rogers is an asshole that shouldn't be in control of a warship in the first place.
FrenchFryWORD. This shit is so annoying. Fuck. Go home OP
NinetyFourThis is kind of relatable to how people are feeling about Turkey's move today. I still feel like there's a lot of other similarities, questionable position along border areas, poor communications or "ignored" warnings, high military tension, quick decisions, etc... The outcomes are not similar, although had the Vincennes actually shot down an Iranian F-14 then they probably would have been.
I have no single point I'm trying to make about today's situation by contrasting Iran Flight 665. All I'm doing is just trying to overlay what I think is a somewhat comparable incident to give people perspective on how things play in situations like today's. If people don't think it's even close to comparable then that's just like, your opinion man.
Anyways it's almost 8:00am in Syria. By the time (most of us) are waking up we'll have more on the situation. I doubt it but who knows, Maybe Putin will be delivering a roast turkey just in time for this weekend.
