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ARV vs. MSP

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GL830
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ok, so i'm looking for a new fat ski, mostly for skiing pow, choppy snow, slush, both in colorado and new zealand. i'm 5'3 and i'm tossing up between the 170 msp and 175 arv. here are the pros and cons of each for me:

msp:
pros - good size, stiff, have heard lots of good stuff about them
cons - very small sidecut, unknown turning abilities which i won't be able to demo before i buy

arv:
pros - had ar5's and loved them so i know armada is the goods, more sidecut than msp, wider waist than msp
cons - 175 might be too much ski for me, since i've been on 160's for the last 2 seasons. i know i can handle 170's but not sure about the jump up. strength-wise there won't be a prob. but the problem is excess speed. i have trouble keeping my speed under control as it is with a 160.

i would appreciate any input/comment on these skis, cheers!

Jan 13 2005 3:30AM
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aclsarescary
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Sounds like a 170's going to be a little better for you then. They are both a mazing skis. Unoffically the Arv is softer than the MSP. I like my MSPs and would also like to have a pair of ARV's.
I also like the longer turning radius.
Jan 13 2005 4:22AM
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Go with the MSP unless your only going to use these skis for powder. The ARVs suck on hard pack thats why I sold mine
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Jan 13 2005 8:16AM
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and msps are surprisingly good on hardpack id go msp
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Jan 13 2005 10:14AM
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GL830
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thanks for the advice. does anyone here have the 170 msp's? i'm interested to know how they perform in the pow, since they're not all that wide (only an 87mm waist). if i'm skiing pow it's usually between ankle and knee deep, or the chopped stuff. cheers.
Jan 13 2005 7:15PM
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TwinTipWonder
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Both great skis, and they both copied their ideas from the scratch. In essence its the same ski. Wood core, sandwich construction, Slant Sidewalls Etc. Get the cheaper pair. 5cm wont matter, when you think of it proportionally, thats about 2.75 cm on your tip, and about 2.25 cm on your tail. NO biggie.
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Jan 13 2005 7:19PM
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^you cant really copy a method of building skis
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Jan 13 2005 8:19PM
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i could just as easily say rossi copiesd lines woodcore
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Jan 13 2005 8:21PM
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if i were youd id go with the pistols cause they rock everything and have the side cut you want
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Jan 13 2005 8:22PM
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winterkid33
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size wise 175 is not that much of a diff 5cm is nothin its a jump but I jumped up 11cms this year didnt even notice so 5 extra cms wont really be a problem. they are both great skis either way you cant go wrong. The deal breaker should be which one you can find for a better price. if you get a steal on either take it.
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Jan 13 2005 8:24PM
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yeah, WHAT? they are not copied from the scratch, they just use a sandwich construction, which has been around WAY longer that any twin. anyway, the msps sidecut is quite a bit different than other skkis. its a pintail, (the tail width is quite a bit narower than the nose, while many skis today are close to symetrical). what this does, is makes the noses VERY turny, and the tails very stable. because there is almost no edge catching, it reduces the chance of catching an edge. overall, this creates a ski that will handle speed effrtlessy, and still carve great. id be willing to bet a MSP could out carve a ARV, but i havent ridden ARVs, so i cant garentee anything. id say 4frnts, for the size, awesome dimensions and sidecut, and the fact that they are very stiff, and will bust through anything. either way, you wont be dissapointed, but the 4frnts get my vote.



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Jan 13 2005 8:26PM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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sorry, but , what? you have trouble controlling your speed?



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Jan 13 2005 8:28PM
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GL830
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^ yes, there are times when i ski a lot faster than i would like to. i'm completely in control, but still it freaks me out a little, particularly on the narrow runs we get down here. i can control speed a little by skidding the ends of my turns, but i don't know if that's proper skiing technique so i don't like to do it too much. i come from a snowboarding background, not a ski racing background so i'm lacking that fundamental training.
Jan 13 2005 10:47PM
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skimack
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k, here's the deal, I've ridden both the msp and the arv. Arv is alot like ALOT softer than the msp, so you shouldn't have any trouble turning the extra five cm. It comes down to what kind of skier you are...if you like buttering and are more finesse take the arv, if you are a killer and like straightlining through avie debris, take the msp...they're both sick skis tho, you can't go wrong.


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Jan 13 2005 11:46PM
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considering what i've heard on this site, what you are skiing, and your height, i would go with the msp. i know that it is a very good all around ski, and it sounds like you won't be needing an excessively fat waist sir the powder you'll be skiing.

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Jan 14 2005 12:08AM
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GL830
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thanks guys. i think i'm probably gonna go with whichever ski i can find in the shops where i'm going (aspen - notorious for its complete lack of good twin tips).
Jan 14 2005 2:09AM
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don't buy new twins in aspen.....find them somewhere else and save a few hundred dollars



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Jan 14 2005 5:11AM
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ARV's kick ass, but if you are shorter go for the MSP
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Jan 14 2005 12:59PM
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martockpublicenemy
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i ski 170 msps and they should be fine for pow
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Jan 14 2005 2:49PM
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Rick_Husted
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i ski 170 msps and my only complaint is that i didnt get the 180s. they ride great. oh and i really hate that they dont come tuned from the factory at all. other than that, awesome skis for michigan, havent rode them in powder yet.
Jan 16 2005 3:35AM
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aclsarescary
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Why would you hate that they dont come tuned?

Jan 16 2005 3:43AM
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