18 people killed in Paris (so far)

El_ChapoThis.

There needs to be a global retaliation. This includes countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and any other neighbor that does't wan't ISIS to move in. If the U.S keeps going in alone and fucking up shit we are only going to fuel more hatred.

californiagrownthose countries are seen as america's pawns. Still breeds american hatred.

ck0belskiThats the problem. ISIS has created a whole new paradigm of extremism, one that isn't centralized in a certain area. Should we choose to pursue ISIS at their root (Raqqa) we merely remove a cog in a massive, changing machine. The message ISIS is sending is one aimed at bringing sleeper extremists, for example, into action. ISIS has given them an outlet, a catalyst for action. What we need to do, is to somehow make extremism unpopular in the impoverished, downtrodden areas that foster it. Military intervention by itself merely invites more attacks by "vigilante" ISIS affiliates, who aren't officially sanctioned but feel closely tied to the group and seek to defend it. What needs to happen is a campaign aimed at showing youth and others who are prone to extremism that extremism is the worst possible route to diffuse their anger. They need to be educated on the true horror that it brings and the human cost. They must be shown that Islam, and religion in general, never calls for any action of this type, and that extremism violates the most basic doctrines of religion and humanity itself. They must be shown the deep, dark, evil that is modern extremism. Easier said than done, of course

ck0belskiThats the problem. ISIS has created a whole new paradigm of extremism, one that isn't centralized in a certain area. Should we choose to pursue ISIS at their root (Raqqa) we merely remove a cog in a massive, changing machine. The message ISIS is sending is one aimed at bringing sleeper extremists, for example, into action. ISIS has given them an outlet, a catalyst for action. What we need to do, is to somehow make extremism unpopular in the impoverished, downtrodden areas that foster it. Military intervention by itself merely invites more attacks by "vigilante" ISIS affiliates, who aren't officially sanctioned but feel closely tied to the group and seek to defend it. What needs to happen is a campaign aimed at showing youth and others who are prone to extremism that extremism is the worst possible route to diffuse their anger. They need to be educated on the true horror that it brings and the human cost. They must be shown that Islam, and religion in general, never calls for any action of this type, and that extremism violates the most basic doctrines of religion and humanity itself. They must be shown the deep, dark, evil that is modern extremism. Easier said than done, of course

ck0belskiThats the problem. ISIS has created a whole new paradigm of extremism, one that isn't centralized in a certain area. Should we choose to pursue ISIS at their root (Raqqa) we merely remove a cog in a massive, changing machine. The message ISIS is sending is one aimed at bringing sleeper extremists, for example, into action. ISIS has given them an outlet, a catalyst for action. What we need to do, is to somehow make extremism unpopular in the impoverished, downtrodden areas that foster it. Military intervention by itself merely invites more attacks by "vigilante" ISIS affiliates, who aren't officially sanctioned but feel closely tied to the group and seek to defend it. What needs to happen is a campaign aimed at showing youth and others who are prone to extremism that extremism is the worst possible route to diffuse their anger. They need to be educated on the true horror that it brings and the human cost. They must be shown that Islam, and religion in general, never calls for any action of this type, and that extremism violates the most basic doctrines of religion and humanity itself. They must be shown the deep, dark, evil that is modern extremism. Easier said than done, of course

McLS100% agree with you. Well said.

El_ChapoThis.

There needs to be a global retaliation. This includes countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and any other neighbor that does't wan't ISIS to move in. If the U.S keeps going in alone and fucking up shit we are only going to fuel more hatred.

VinnieFYou missed the part where Saudi Arabia is funding ISIS with weapons and money and we completely turn a blind eye to it and try to ignore the fact because we love their oil. ISIS and Saudi Arabia's ideals align very well for the most part.

*DUMBCAN*I don't want to get overly political, but this is actually a very solid argument for investing in clean energy that doesn't involve convincing people that we need to reduce our environmental impact.

MALEPRIVILEGEhttps://twitter.com/slcnakmuay/status/665772759004266496

LonelyWhere'd you find that? I want to personally tell them how much of a dumb fucking piece of shit they are.

nocturnalI'm actually glad that finally happened I'm so sick of somebody who committed domestic violence to be that famous and in the limelight.

VinnieFYou missed the part where Saudi Arabia is funding ISIS with weapons and money and we completely turn a blind eye to it and try to ignore the fact because we love their oil. ISIS and Saudi Arabia's ideals align very well for the most part.

californiagrownYou dont think that will breed more hatred of the USA, and in turn more terrorist organizations (not neccessarily based upon islam)?

El_ChapoActually there is no evidence that the Saudi government is funding ISIS but there are major (private) donors from all over the middle east.

Their ideals align very well?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/suicide-bombing-at-saudi-arabia-mosque-kills-more-than-a-dozen/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/16/isis-gunman-kills-five-in-saudi-arabia-before-being-killed-by-police
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3252422/Two-ISIS-suspects-killed-three-arrested-planned-attack-Saudi-Arabia-militant-group-expands-reign-terror-Iraq-Syria.html
No.

cobra_commanderNow it is time to show these people that the rest of the world is not going to allow them to use violence to force their religious beliefs on others - and we are not gonna see that happen through peace talks, especially when none of the interested parties recognizes IS as a legitimate state..

CONAIR_BUSCEMIHey, but it’s okay. Just believe everything you hear. Run to your social media networks, run to FACEBOOK, write something like, “my thoughts and prayers,” or put a profile pic up of a French Flag and then forget about it in two days. You are not giving any of your time, money, compassion or resources, instead you are saying, “Look at me, I want validation.” You’ll forget about all of these tragedies just like the doctors without borders bombing, sweep it under the rug and forget bout’ it.

CONAIR_BUSCEMIWere the Paris attacks even orchestrated by ISIS? I personally have yet to see any conclusive evidence.














http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/14/opinions/paris-attacks-isis-strategy/index.html

MALEPRIVILEGEhttp://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/world/europe/isis-claims-responsibility-for-paris-attacks-calling-them-miracles.html?_r=0

CONAIR_BUSCEMIFacebook actually offers to turn their profile pictures into a photo with a flag. So people see it and think they can support the French with one click of the mouse and papa is in the house. Why doesn't Facebook have this sort of solidarity thing with Lebanon, Syria, etc? Seems as if this not only garners ignorance but also promotes the belief that Facebook is in good company. That this corporation should be seen a a person and not for what reality says it is.

Where are the Lebanese flags, where are the Iraq flags, where are the Russian flags where 224 people were killed in a suicide bombing aboard a plane. Swept neatly under the rug, just like the doctors without borders warcrime.

Monsieur_PatateWhen we grieve for someone with whom we have a personal connection should we feel guilty that our grief does not extend to every stranger we have no connection with? When we go to the funeral of a loved one should we feel guilty for not having attended every fucking funeral in the history of humankind? When we connect should we feel guilty because it is personal?

I'm tired of that stupid argument of "people are awful because they don't react as strongly when this happens everyday somewhere else". Of course people from western countries feel more affected, because they can identify themselves with those victims.

If terrorists can walk in a concert hall and execute people in Paris, they can just as easily do it in Berlin, London, Montréal or NYC. But people from those cities obviously won't as easily relate to a similar thing happening in Beirut, Bagdad or downtown Kaboul, because in our minds those places are fucking unstable/warzones where we expect this shit to happen. And also because we don't share a lot of things with people from those areas. Stop trying to guilt people for being human, life isn't 'Kritik der reinen Vernunft'.

For the record even though I'm french, born in Paris, lived in Paris and have almost all my friends and family in Paris, I didn't post a single thing about this on social networks, and didn't turn my picture into a flag either. I didn't feel all shook up like some people, but it did affect me more than the Beirut attacks for example. I guess I am a fucking asshole by your standard then.

nocturnalhttps://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/793964/Real-Time-with-Bill-Maher--Ben-Affleck--Sam-Harris-and-Bill-Maher-Debate-Radical-Islam--HBO-

THEDIRTYBUBBLEWhy is the US still allowing Syrian Refugees into the US?

californiagrownBecause women and children displaced by war need somewhere to go and this country has always accepted the tired and the poor... One of the things that contributes to the melting pot of greatness.


You don't think we should be helping the refugees in need?

CONAIR_BUSCEMIFacebook actually offers to turn their profile pictures into a photo with a flag. So people see it and think they can support the French with one click of the mouse and papa is in the house. Why doesn't Facebook have this sort of solidarity thing with Lebanon, Syria, etc? Seems as if this not only garners ignorance but also promotes the belief that Facebook is in good company. That this corporation should be seen a a person and not for what reality says it is.

Where are the Lebanese flags, where are the Iraq flags, where are the Russian flags where 224 people were killed in a suicide bombing aboard a plane. Swept neatly under the rug, just like the doctors without borders warcrime. Instead let's leave the individuals alone and focus on the institutions that are promoting this obvious propaganda.

They are merely pimping jingoism, this will only breed dissonance and arrogance. Just another viral trend that the masses will follow and forget about in a few days. Just take a look at social media, the majority of the posts related to this tragedy are stupid teenage girls who follow the trends to create the illusion that they are aware of worldly affairs or posts advocating for war with Syria and so on.

.MASSHOLE.http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-rise-of-religiously-inspired-terrorism-in-france/

The.Natty.VeganThis sort of hate is what drives ISIS.

THEDIRTYBUBBLEIslam is what drives ISIS.

"The fact that the majority of smokers won't develop lung cancer later in life does not negate the fact the smoking is the main cause of lung cancer. Likewise, the fact that the majority of Muslims do not become terrorists does not negate the fact that Islam is the main cause of terrorism"

UPSIDEDOWNDICKclassic retarded american trying to compare religious extremism to smoking and cancer.

is that quote from fox by chance?

THEDIRTYBUBBLEIslam is what drives ISIS.

"The fact that the majority of smokers won't develop lung cancer later in life does not negate the fact the smoking is the main cause of lung cancer. Likewise, the fact that the majority of Muslims do not become terrorists does not negate the fact that Islam is the main cause of terrorism"

THEDIRTYBUBBLEClassic bleeding heart, liberal, Canadian, SJW, trying to negate the truth that scares you oh so much.

And no that quote is from Egyptian author Tawfik Hamid.

THEDIRTYBUBBLEthe truth that scares you oh so much.

UPSIDEDOWNDICKso by your logic from that quote. just because all americans aren't born racist, fat and retarded. they will all eventually become that way, just because half are already?

The.Natty.VeganThere's 1.6 billion muslims in the world. If Islam truly was a dangerous religion which festered hate then we would all be dead. You're completely ignoring all social motives for terrorism in the middle east. War creates terrorism among other things. You can see this in Israel with the jews. You can see this with the KKK and christianity. You can see this with blacks and the black panther movement. There are passages in the quaran that are violent. However if I wanted to be a christian terrorist I could easily find passages within the bible to fit my motive. Islam is a religion like any other and you can easily find passages to fit whatever agenda you have. It's neither a religion of peace, nor a religion of hate, it's a religion.

https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/644155519059292/?pnref=story

THEDIRTYBUBBLEI do not think most Muslims are terrorists. I do not think Islam is a religion of hate. But it breeds terrorism and violence more than anything else. Are you trying to say that Islam does not fester hate? So the Taliban, Hamas, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc. are not caused by Islam?

PoLaRpEaKYou are obviously trolling, but no they are clearly not directly caused by Islam. They were created by a bunch of lunatics with distorted views hellbent on gaining power.

PoLaRpEaKYou are obviously trolling, but no they are clearly not directly caused by Islam. They were created by a bunch of lunatics with distorted views hellbent on gaining power. Kind of like Trump.

cobra_commanderNo, this is one of the biggest misconceptions out there, and it is generally only held by people who have minimal to no experience outside of developed western culture. In the rest of the world violence wins. Whomever is the strongest and appears the most omnipotent will get the trust of the people. Only western idiots give a fuck about feelings. The rest of the world cares more about 'who can kill me' and 'who will or wont protect me.' It is only after you establish a monopoly on those actions that you can start moving forward with a more developed society. Part of that process involves killing the other parties, especially the ones who factor into 'who can kill me.'
That is all down the road for now. Now it is time to show these people that the rest of the world is not going to allow them to use violence to force their religious beliefs on others - and we are not gonna see that happen through peace talks, especially when none of the interested parties recognizes IS as a legitimate state..