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.lencon
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These people bug me the most. I hate them. People fought, fight, and will fight for your freedom of speech and other unenumerated rights. Why do you disrespect veterans?

unfortunately most people I see this disrespect coming from are die hard liberals, which is another reason I don't like them:)


For those of you wondering why I posted this is because 1. It drives me crazy and 2. Today shin-bangs dad came into our school and gave an excellent speech. I know shin-bang is a spaz on here but he's pretty cool in person and his dad is a swell dude. Anyone some chick tweeted some pretty negative things about his dad after for no reason whatsoever. Anyone I just hate seeing people disrespect veterans, especially ones so close to me.

Happy Veterans Day and to the people who think they can disrespect veterans, go fuck your self.
Nov 12 2015 12:24AM
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DBack1321
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Freedom of speech also includes all the shit you don't agree with which is rather ironic since you mentioned it haha. People are entitled to their nonsense beliefs.
Nov 12 2015 12:28AM
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Sno.
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DBack1321People are entitled.


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Nov 12 2015 12:31AM
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.lencon
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DBack1321Freedom of speech also includes all the shit you don't agree with which is rather ironic since you mentioned it haha. People are entitled to their nonsense beliefs.


Yes there is freedom of speech but honestly not supporting the people who gave you that freedom is pretty ironic. Also it's almost like sadition which isn't protected.
Nov 12 2015 12:32AM
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Mingg
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There's a lot of people out there who are against wars, which indirecting means they wouldn't support those who are serving, which is simply their opinion. There's a way to hold an opinion respectfully and posting negative shit about a veteran probably isn't the best way to go about that...especially on veterans day. Definitely not the right thing to do in my opinion.
Nov 12 2015 12:41AM
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.lencon
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MinggThere's a lot of people out there who are against wars, which indirecting means they wouldn't support those who are serving, which is simply their opinion. There's a way to hold an opinion respectfully and posting negative shit about a veteran probably isn't the best way to go about that...especially on veterans day. Definitely not the right thing to do in my opinion.


Anti war is awesome. If there was no wars and peace that would be awesome. But unfortunately we don't live in a time where there is 100% peace and no wars. If no one served then we would be fucked. Look at ISIS for example. As soon as we took our troops out of there ISIS happened, and now they're in parts of America. They haven't taken away "rights" but if they pull something they take away your right to live.


Support the veterans. They don't want to kill people. They do it for you. Stop being an entitled bitch and thank someone.

(Ps this isn't at you Ming just people who are really anti veterans haha)
Nov 12 2015 12:48AM
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DBack1321
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.lenconYes there is freedom of speech but honestly not supporting the people who gave you that freedom is pretty ironic. Also it's almost like sadition which isn't protected.


That irony is also covered haha.

Yes, sedition is illegal under the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, but it has never been argued by the SCOTUS and lesser courts have ruled back and forth. I don't want to derail this into a constitution discussion so I'll leave my personal opinion out of it.

I'm a veteran and if people want to hate on us, then so be it. It's their right to do so regardless of if I believe in what they're saying or not.
Nov 12 2015 12:52AM
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Mingg
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.lenconAnti war is awesome. If there was no wars and peace that would be awesome. But unfortunately we don't live in a time where there is 100% peace and no wars. If no one served then we would be fucked. Look at ISIS for example. As soon as we took our troops out of there ISIS happened, and now they're in parts of America. They haven't taken away "rights" but if they pull something they take away your right to live.


Support the veterans. They don't want to kill people. They do it for you. Stop being an entitled bitch and thank someone.

(Ps this isn't at you Ming just people who are really anti veterans haha)


True. I feel ya. War is straight fucked and one of those things no one will fully understand unless they are directly affected by it (veteran, family, etc.). In my opinion it's pretty impossible to form an opinion on it because of that but thats a discussion for a different time. Anyways, yeah you don't have to like/support it but that doesn't mean you should be disrespectful.
Nov 12 2015 12:52AM
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qazwsxedc34
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I think the established set of attitudes in regards to what soldiers think they’re fighting for is grounds for respect and dignity. I do not think they fight for my personal freedom of speech. We as a nation need to let the soldiers speak. The largest population of people in America who are diagnosed with severe depression are veterans. Tramatic events happen, comprimising one's morals do happen when the smoke is present- but when the smoke clears, your mind clears that's when your conscience starts burning and you hear the screams of all your victims. Your pillow talks. You never get a peaceful nights sleep until you confess the madness... We need to listen to what soldiers have to say because thousands of them are against the war and want to come home. Thousands of them know they are being used as pawns for the benefit of the financial elites. Soldiers and veterans should always be respected but I’m starting to see a rise in military glorification, which is disheartening. Instead, our government gives funds to the NFL so that they can promote military worship, why not instead take those funds and give them to the VA?
Nov 12 2015 12:53AM
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DBack1321
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.lenconLook at ISIS for example. As soon as we took our troops out of there ISIS happened, and now they're in parts of America.


That's not exactly factual. There are a lot of reasons that caused ISIS, mainly the Syrian Civil War, not our withdraw from Iraq.
Nov 12 2015 12:56AM
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qazwsxedc34
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.lenconAnti war is awesome. If there was no wars and peace that would be awesome. But unfortunately we don't live in a time where there is 100% peace and no wars. If no one served then we would be fucked. Look at ISIS for example. As soon as we took our troops out of there ISIS happened, and now they're in parts of America. They haven't taken away "rights" but if they pull something they take away your right to live.


Support the veterans. They don't want to kill people. They do it for you. Stop being an entitled bitch and thank someone.

(Ps this isn't at you Ming just people who are really anti veterans haha)


Well ISIS is in part a creation of the west. Obama has stated, that we trained, armed and funded ISIL. ISIS was utilized as a catalyst to destabilize Syria for easier exploitation. As the main goal of western powers is and has always been to oust Assad, which would be a very grave and detrimental mistake if this so happens. Remember, theres always a single faction funding both sides of a war. War is good profit for a very small minority.
Nov 12 2015 12:57AM
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miroz
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It is possible to respect veterans and their service while simultaneously disagreeing with the wars they fought in. Bernie Sanders, a 'diehard liberal', is a fantastic example of this.

Your generalizations of parties makes you just another partisan idiot. Why do you have to turn it into that?
Nov 12 2015 1:39AM
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r.simp
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Link to the Twitter posts??
Nov 12 2015 10:31AM
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deleted5
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I know people who are against the military, but I've never met an actual person who doesn't like retired soldiers. Or if they did they would say it to their faces.

Actually that's a lie I dO know Bojack horseman.
Nov 12 2015 10:34AM
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.lencon
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RsimpsonLink to the Twitter posts??


her @ is @owhtel
Nov 12 2015 10:55AM
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corona
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nocturnalI know people who are against the military, but I've never met an actual person who doesn't like retired soldiers. Or if they did they would say it to their faces.


pretty much this. You'd have a very hard time finding anyone who disrespects veterans, but very easy to find people who don't like the causes for which they fought. Which is totally ok. And if you hate people for not agreeing with a certain war then you're a bad person.

Although the more recent wars have certainly made it a lot easier to be far less sympathetic to the cause.
Nov 12 2015 11:15AM
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BAYKUR
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Yesterday I was at a memorial day ceremony (canadian veterans day) and at many point in the ceremony you are supposed to stand to salute all of the fallen soldiers. So everyone was
standing except for this weird school shooter looking kid who absolutely refused to stand. One of the most disrespectful things ive ever seen.
Nov 12 2015 11:27AM
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miroz
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.lenconsome chick tweeted some pretty negative things about his dad after for no reason whatsoever. Anyone I just hate seeing people disrespect veterans, especially ones so close to me.


.lenconher @ is @owhtel


Did she delete them?
Nov 12 2015 12:41PM
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.lencon
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mirozDid she delete them?


She might have. She also tweets a lot so just scroll down.
Nov 12 2015 1:40PM
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miroz
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.lenconShe might have. She also tweets a lot so just scroll down.


She certainly does, which is annoying in and of itself, but I didn't see anything directly disrespecting veterans. Unless we're interpreting something differently...
Nov 12 2015 1:58PM
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act.resist
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support veterans and service members, because if they didn't enlist, then you(men) would be forced to.
Nov 12 2015 2:13PM
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Blindsurfer
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.lenconPeople fought, fight, and will fight for your freedom of speech and other unenumerated rights.


no disrespect to veterans, but you are a fucking stupid american. there has been ONE war where the USA fought in retaliation. that was WWII, and the USA had been helping the allies under that table prior to pearl harbour anyway. your veterans have NEVER defended your civil rights, that was civilians who decided not to put up with your perpetually corrupt government's shit. the only thing US veterans have done is shit on people overseas. there is nothing courageous or noble about the american military you stupid clown. fuck america
Nov 12 2015 2:24PM
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JGWI
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I think sometimes people confuse supporting our veterans with supporting the conflicts they fought in. I feel Vietnam was a complete waste of time, money, and resources. But that doesn't mean I don't support an honor the troops that fought there. Now with that being said, I don't support the administration that put them in that mess to begin with. Same can be said for the Bush administration.
Nov 12 2015 2:27PM
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FrenchFry
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.lenconThese people bug me the most. I hate them. People fought, fight, and will fight for your freedom of speech and other unenumerated rights. Why do you disrespect veterans?

unfortunately most people I see this disrespect coming from are die hard liberals, which is another reason I don't like them:)


For those of you wondering why I posted this is because 1. It drives me crazy and 2. Today shin-bangs dad came into our school and gave an excellent speech. I know shin-bang is a spaz on here but he's pretty cool in person and his dad is a swell dude. Anyone some chick tweeted some pretty negative things about his dad after for no reason whatsoever. Anyone I just hate seeing people disrespect veterans, especially ones so close to me.

Happy Veterans Day and to the people who think they can disrespect veterans, go fuck your self.


All of this is a lie haha. You literally have non of those freedoms. As soon as you're a suspected "terrorist" which could always be used as an excuse. Your rights fly out the door. OH not to mention all phones are tapped all your internet searches are monitored and everywhere you go, they know. So the military does non of those things you claimed. Other than self defence from real threats. But i mean who's going to attack the US. In reality, No one. Keep convincing yourself 9/11 was done by a terrorist organization man.
Nov 12 2015 3:58PM
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GreeenTea
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A lot of negativity towards lencon but I totally agree with him. Our government may not be that great, but the people that risk their lives to to keep us safe are. Many of my friends are currently in the marines and I think its one of the most honorable things some one could do, I have nothing but the highest respect for our service men and women.

Also big ups for shin-bang's dad for giving a speech for these people. No reason to disrespect him for that.
Nov 12 2015 4:18PM
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arnie_grape
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FrenchFryBut i mean who's going to attack the US. In reality, No one.


americans.

"protecting themselves" at schools and other public areas
Nov 12 2015 5:16PM
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FrenchFry
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FROGGINBULLFISHamericans.

"protecting themselves" at schools and other public areas


word
Nov 12 2015 5:28PM
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AgitatedHiatus
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Blindsurferno disrespect to veterans,


Goes on to disrespect all veterans except for the ones who fought in WWII. Doesn't matter what you believe in man, they still give up their home lives to go fight for a country. I love this country. I love the USA. And I will continue to love the USA till the day that I die.
Nov 12 2015 5:39PM
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mike759
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RESPECT THE VETS
Nov 12 2015 6:23PM
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theabortionator
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.lenconThese people bug me the most. I hate them. People fought, fight, and will fight for your freedom of speech and other unenumerated rights. Why do you disrespect veterans?


I mean, most of what we've been doing in recent times as far as our military has nothing to do with protecting our rights and freedoms. I know it sounds really good to say that, and red and blue eagles come soaring our from behind the clouds etc, but lets keep it realistic.
For some reason, this is one of those topics where being realistic makes you unamerican or a shitty person. That never made sense to me,
Nov 12 2015 6:31PM
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_Ryan_
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Todays wars have little to nothing to do with freedom. And you could argue that about past wars as well. I don't think its cool that people disrespect people who have gone and fought with the notion that they are helping everybody back home. I will simply never agree with "support our troops" and all that nonsense... We need to get rid of the mindset in people that by joining the army you are helping your country, because at this point you are helping nobody but big corporations as far as I'm concerned.
Nov 12 2015 6:42PM
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S.J.W
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While liberals being disrespectful to veterans is bad. At Least they're chosen political party is helping them more than the republican party is.

Nov 12 2015 7:14PM
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AmateurPilgrim
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There is a girl at my school who has a fake U.S. veteran sticker on the bumper of her car to park in special spots and get special treatment. It makes me sick
Nov 12 2015 7:40PM
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qazwsxedc34
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The.Natty.VeganWhile liberals being disrespectful to veterans is bad. At Least they're chosen political party is helping them more than the republican party is.



Same shit, doesn’t matter if your a republican or a democrate.
Nov 12 2015 9:39PM
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PacificRimJob
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The.Natty.VeganWhile liberals being disrespectful to veterans is bad. At Least they're chosen political party is helping them more than the republican party is.



Came here to post this.
Nov 13 2015 10:07AM
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deleted5
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The.Natty.VeganWhile liberals being disrespectful to veterans is bad. At Least they're chosen political party is helping them more than the republican party is.



That is so blatantly untrue as a country and as a whole. Every single citizen and person in government is responsible for the horrendous treatment of veterans in this country. I was a roommate with a guy who was overseas and it broke my heart to see how much he was drinking, and the helo he needed, that he didn't have access to. Being that I personally lived with him I really saw what it was like to come back from war. It was awful at the end of the day no one gave a shit about him. Thank you for your service here's a free beer on Veterans Day.
Nov 13 2015 10:27AM
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FrenchFry
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The referenced post has been removed.


So funny how easy it is to make Americans Patriotic. RA RA AMERICA. Jesus this thread scares me. ^ murder her. Are you kidding me man. I don't care if its a joke. That's backwards and ridiculous. You should be banned for that.Having patriotism toward things like military are the things that lead to war. Not prevent them. The people who believe we need to defended our selves to the extent the US does, are the people who are easily manipulated into doing whatever they're ordered to do. You're clearly one of them.
Nov 13 2015 11:14AM
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fatmilf
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.lenconSupport the veterans. They don't want to kill people. They do it for you. Stop being an entitled bitch and thank someone.

(Ps this isn't at you Ming just people who are really anti veterans haha)


They do what for us? I am not against veterans, but I am not for the mindless worship of all veterans as heroes. The U.S. has no significant threats to our freedom. And how are they supporting our freedom of speech? You can't really think that if we didn't fight in Iraq or Afghanistan they somehow would have come over here and take the country hostage and steal our freedom. Some veterans are heroes, but being a veteran doesn't automatically make you a hero. A trend I see is that the people who don't have a good plan after high school to go to college/ get a good job are the people who end up enlisting. This does not automatically make you a hero. I have nothing against veterans, I have relatives who are veterans and support them, but you are not hero simply for enlisting. That being said, the U.S. needs to treat veterans better. If you're going to send them to pointless wars you gotta take care of them after.
Nov 13 2015 11:57AM
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theabortionator
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.lenconYes there is freedom of speech but honestly not supporting the people who gave you that freedom is pretty ironic. Also it's almost like sadition which isn't protected.


.lenconAnti war is awesome. If there was no wars and peace that would be awesome. But unfortunately we don't live in a time where there is 100% peace and no wars. If no one served then we would be fucked. Look at ISIS for example. As soon as we took our troops out of there ISIS happened, and now they're in parts of America. They haven't taken away "rights" but if they pull something they take away your right to live.


Support the veterans. They don't want to kill people. They do it for you. Stop being an entitled bitch and thank someone.

(Ps this isn't at you Ming just people who are really anti veterans haha)


Please explain how invading countries around the world, keeping troops stationed there, assassinating leaders, funding rebel groups, etc gave me my freedom?

If an islamic guy in America throws a rock at your car, that's "TERRORISM IN AMERICA!" CNN will blast it all day, fox will have new choppers flying overhead.

If we go in and kill the leader of a country because we don't like him, or he won't do business are way, and slide somebody into that spot that is willing to do what we want, that's called "Spreading democracy" or "freedom".

And do it for me? That's pretty fucking misguided then. I appreciate the sentiment but we need to stay realistic. If we keep pushing the idea that this is "for our country, your us all" and "the only reason Americans have freedoms" we'll keep these wars going all the time, keep these troops around the world.

Why cant we be realistic?

The government is fucking with far more of your freedoms than any scary brown man in the desert on another continent ever will.

These wars of recent times have nothing to do with your freedom of speech or other freedoms.




For the thread. What is our obsession with flags? I'm not suggesting we get rid of the American flag, but do we all really need 75 in our front yard? If we go for the 10 foot flag instead of the 50' in front of our car dealership will that be the end of freedom?

The idea that being against our overkill nationalism in this country makes you "unAmerican" is just stupid.

If we toned it down, got realistic, and pulled out heads out of our asses, maybe we could have a more positive role in the world.


Also good reading some of the posts on here. Things have changed in the last 5-10 years.
Nov 13 2015 2:48PM
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MLB
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Money is the reason that your government treats veterans like shit. It's super simple. Americans like money more then people so cut cut cut in the name of balanced budgets and lower taxes.

It's easy to go war with the defense budget as high as it is. Could you imagine if the American government would actually spend money on the infrastructure to care for veterans the way they actually need? Maybe they would actually have to think twice about sending people to fight for her "interests".

The fact is that here in Canada we had a Conservative government that left our Veteran Affairs office in shambles. Only after the election are they going to re-open nine other offices and rebuild programs. I feel that no matter what happens the economy that these programs should always have the same budget, and infrastructure no matter what.
Nov 13 2015 3:17PM
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.lencon
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mirozShe certainly does, which is annoying in and of itself, but I didn't see anything directly disrespecting veterans. Unless we're interpreting something differently...


She didn't straight up say "veterans" in any of her tweets but a lot of them are about the veteran guest speaker. She was laughing and negatively commenting during the whole speech. That's not just disrespect to a veteran, but just a speaker in general.
Nov 13 2015 3:52PM
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Daski
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This shits gotten ridiculous. I am extremely anti-war, and I am really fed up with how our government has went on this wonderful conquest of the Middle-East over the past 2 decades, but I have immense respect for our vets. Hate the war, but do not hate our vets, they are not to blame for the fighting they do. Yes, they signed up for service, but its the corrupt war-monger politicians from both the right and left who sent them to war, and then took away their VA benefits.
Nov 13 2015 9:39PM
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.GUCCI.
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.lenconunfortunately most people I see this disrespect coming from are die hard liberals, which is another reason I don't like them:)


excuse me?
Nov 13 2015 9:43PM
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270on420out
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Blindsurferno disrespect to veterans, but you are a fucking stupid american. there has been ONE war where the USA fought in retaliation. that was WWII, and the USA had been helping the allies under that table prior to pearl harbour anyway. your veterans have NEVER defended your civil rights, that was civilians who decided not to put up with your perpetually corrupt government's shit. the only thing US veterans have done is shit on people overseas. there is nothing courageous or noble about the american military you stupid clown. fuck america


Go back to 4chan
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