Core companies having reliablility problems?

i'm sure there are just as many problems with non core companies.

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indeed but everyone has always voiced there opinions on how bad the non-core skis are (one good example is salomon and the foam core).

im just wondering why people didnt say the core companies had these problems too instead of hyping the shit outta them
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any time you use a ski on a surface other than snow, the ski is going to destruct relatively quickly. skis were not designed to be ridden on metal and concrete. the core companies get the hype cause all they make are skis for the jib scene. but talk to the pros who grind all the time - most of them get 4-6 pairs of ski for the winter - and wreck them all. nobody wants to admit that the 'special' product destructs just as easily. but it happens. if you want your ski to last a long time, use it on snow only - not on metal and concrete. of course, flat land big air on hard snow and you'll delaminate your skis quick too.

Yeah, plus you have to consider that the average skier's season is a fraction of what us die hards do in a year so one season for us is like 4-5 seasons for the normal person, plus the added abuse element.





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The comment about riding on concrete is so true.

There is also the fact that alot of these companies are really new and don't have much experience making skis. How long has Salomon and Rossi had to perfect their production??? 20, 30, 40 years??

How about Armada or Line? 5 years??

If there is a difference the in durability of the skis, new ski companies will close the gap over time.

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^ i don't think that gap is very big, materials wise the core companies are on par ifnot better then other companies, and the only real problems you can run into is the actual manufacturing, which might take a year to get the bugs out.

non core companies skis break just as often, wither it be a pair of rossignols, or dynstars.


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^makes sense...but all i was saying it what whenever someones salomon or rossi skis break you hear the bitch about it and make threads to bitch, thus letting everyone know that *for example* the dynastar trouble makers a few years ago have massive durability problems.

not too often to i hear 'fuck armada/4frnt/etc' cause a ski broke...first big problem i have heard is MikeE's ski fucking up pretty good. then in his thread others starte dto admit they had problems with the 4frnt or armada;s


the point im trying to make is that the skis probably break 50/50 core/non core , its just that the balence of who bitchs when there ski breaks is 99/1 in favor of non core skis.
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I dunno, i've heard plenty of bitchin about Armadas durability problem on last years model (delaminating and such). Other than being chipped, my 03/04 Armadas are tip top, but others had problems
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^^ You don't hear 'fuck Armada or Line' because this site is comprised of mostly teenage boys who are gullible and follow the start-up company advertising like a puppy follows its owner. They also wanna be cool and original, which they're not.

Many of the things that get reported on this site are hearsay. Many of the threads created on this site are attempts to perpetuate reports of bad information. Fucking jackoffs, man.

Now to address the issue of durability:
All companies will encounter durability issues. You've mentioned both Salomon and Dynstar as companies who have had problems (Salomon with the foamcore and Dynastar with edge/base durability).

I've been skiing along time. I've never fucked my skis up as bad as some of the people in here say they have. Sliding concrete ledges, landing on the asphault in the parking lot, etc. will DESTROY any ski. Durability is dependent on the user UNLESS it is a factory defect.

Now, how many skis are factory defects? Not too many. However, our probability of receiving a factory defect is much higher due to the fact that PROS get the choice skis where as we get to choose from the good to mediocre batches.

The bottomline is that if you smash your skis against anything that isn't snow, you're asking for skis to fall apart. They are made for skiing on snow, not for sliding around on concrete/metal.

The latter is changing, but not nearly as fast as most of you pre-pubescent dipshits think.
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The only reason you hear people talking about 4FRNT's is because they're known for durability, so when a bad ski gets through, it seems like a big deal. There's no reason to talk about Salomon's because we all know they de-lame. Check this:

Last years broken ski count:
Steele - 2 pairs (STL)
P. Olenick - 16 pairs (1080)

^ That's great, but you didn't cite a source for that information.
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Steele - resource Steele
Olenick- Olenick

hes got some good sources...
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my 02 line 1260s delammed, and i lost a good portion of the tip, and so i called em adn they said send em back. When you consider what we do on skis, u have 2 understand theyre gonna fall apart, but unless the people that made them are complete douche bags, theyll hook u up if they fall apart
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