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gnartogueand it was reviewed by law enforcement officials and the school and it was deemed excessive force and he was fired. I'm guessing the people who made the decision to fire him know a lot more about the definition of excessive force than you do
Oh wait the school reviewed it. That makes all the difference. They definitely aren't just trying to cover their asses or anything.
did you not read the part where i said law enforcement officials? He was fired. Someone of authority had to review the video and make the decision that it was legal to fire him because of his actions. The police department doesn't have to cover their ass, things like this come into question daily across the country and many times the officer's use of force is deemed justified. But in this case it wasn't. So you are wrong
S.J.WSo explain how then how he was fired for suing excessive force? Or is your defitionation of exessive force different from that of the actual police???
The police definitely aren't trying to cover their asses either.
THEDIRTYBUBBLEThe police definitely aren't trying to cover their asses either.
Okay so if the police are trying to cover their asses, that must mean one of their officers has done something wrong, otherwise they wouldn't need to cover their asses?
I would say they're both in the wrong. The girl deserved to be removed, obviously the cop lost his temper and used excessive force. Do I feel bad for the girl? Not really, but that doesn't change the fact that shit like this really isn't reasonable at all. You can argue the law all you want but really, it's pretty unreasonable for a grown man to slam a girl to the ground without any repercussions.
Also, getting at what was posted on the previous page, I agree that painting these issues as liberal or conservative is ridiculous. It should be as simple as looking at the facts and forming an opinion, not just falling in line with a political group. Whenever people call out the opposite group, it worries me. Are we that much of a binary society? I need to stop reading Freud and lacan..
THEDIRTYBUBBLEThe police definitely aren't trying to cover their asses either.
can you not read? or are you just disregarding my comment because you have no response?
The police department doesn't have to cover their ass, things like this come into question daily across the country and many times the officer's use of force is deemed justified. But in this case it wasn't
THEDIRTYBUBBLEThe officer's duty is to remove the girl from the premesis. Which he did. Excessive force would be if he were to taze/mace her.
gnartogueThats the fucking stupidest thing ive heard all day honestly. It would only be excessive force if he tazed/maced her? Where is the logic on that? How is ripping her from a desk and throwing her 5 feet not just has bad? There is no question that there were countless other ways to deal with the situation that her less violent to the girl and less disturbing to the class.
The officer's duty is not just to remove her from the premises. If that was his only duty then he could have thrown her out the window and perfectly performed his duty, which is ridiculous. Instead, his duty is to remove her from the premises without using excessive force. He did not even attempt to remove her from the desk by simply trying to pick her up out of it. His first instinct was to basically treat her like calf in a rodeo and flip her & the desk over and then throw her. If he tried to remove her from the desk in a reasonable manner and she attacked him, then more force would be called for and be deemed appropriate. But that was not the case.
There was completely a middle ground that could have been achieved (or at least attempted) and he chose not to try that. This is why it was excessive and this is why he has now been fired for using excessive force.
THEDIRTYBUBBLEThe officer's duty is to remove the girl from the premesis. Which he did. Excessive force would be if he were to taze/mace her.
you think that choke slamming a teenager while a desk is still attached to them is NOT excessive force? never be a police officer please.
regardless of if that girl was being disrespectful there was absolutely no fucking reason for that display. I can't believe that's even a question. That guy was sending out a message that if you disrespect him he will bring you to your knees. It's not something he hasn't done before.
butterslut.That guy was sending out a message that if you disrespect him he will bring you to your knees. It's not something he hasn't done before.
Which honestly needs to be done. Thats the role of a police officer, to enforce. That girl had absolutely no respect for the law and needed to be shown how to respect a police officer. So whats going to happen outside of school when she robs a bank or kills someone because she believes she is higher than the law?
pat_in_the_hatWhich honestly needs to be done. Thats the role of a police officer, to enforce. That girl had absolutely no respect for the law and needed to be shown how to respect a police officer. So whats going to happen outside of school when she robs a bank or kills someone because she believes she is higher than the law?
approaching matters of disrespectful children at an early age through counseling and discipline is a much more effective and less brutal way of handling problem children than excessive force like this. There are resources at public schools for helping those kids. This also isn't the first time he's had an overaggressive encounter with someone. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/army-vet-recalls-rough-encounter-sc-dep-ben-fields-article-1.2412418
yes, this article is very biased, but the point is he beat up an army vet for calling him dude and told the other officers to get his wife's "black ass" and many people claim that he racially profiles black students claiming that they are in gangs given no evidence of them actually doing illegal activity. If you ask me, this was a racist cop recklessly subduing an under aged girl.
butterslut.approaching matters of disrespectful children at an early age through counseling and discipline is a much more effective and less brutal way of handling problem children than excessive force like this. There are resources at public schools for helping those kids. This also isn't the first time he's had an overaggressive encounter with someone. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/army-vet-recalls-rough-encounter-sc-dep-ben-fields-article-1.2412418
yes, this article is very biased, but the point is he beat up an army vet for calling him dude and told the other officers to get his wife's "black ass" and many people claim that he racially profiles black students claiming that they are in gangs given no evidence of them actually doing illegal activity. If you ask me, this was a racist cop recklessly subduing an under aged girl.
i agree, her issues should have been worked out at a younger age. With parental discipline. But not with counseling. Counseling is for parents who dont want to put the time and effort into raising their own child. They would rather let their money raise their child.
And im not even considering what the police officer did in the past. For all I care, he could have been the president of the united states. If he wouldnt have taken an aggressive action, that teenage girl would have walked all over him, disrespected him and not have left the classroom. Then how would the entire school body view this police officer? As a puss. Sure, it was a bit too aggressive. But it has been stated that the girls actions made it look alot worse then what the officer intended.
Anyway, im done. arguing on an internet forum is pointless.
I don't care what she said or what she did, no one deserves to get treated like that. This cop is a scumbag and the fact that some of you don't COMPLETELY side against him is ridiculous. He essentially manhandled this poor fifteen year old girl, breaking her arm, and shaming her in front of her classmates. Racism is tearing this country apart.
AidanCskiI don't care what she said or what she did, no one deserves to get treated like that. This cop is a scumbag and the fact that some of you don't COMPLETELY side against him is ridiculous. He essentially manhandled this poor fifteen year old girl, breaking her arm, and shaming her in front of her classmates. Racism is tearing this country apart.
no she was a thret 2 him he had to do that for his protection stupid libbie trying to run over his white rights.
pat_in_the_hati agree, her issues should have been worked out at a younger age. With parental discipline. But not with counseling. Counseling is for parents who dont want to put the time and effort into raising their own child. They would rather let their money raise their child.
And im not even considering what the police officer did in the past. For all I care, he could have been the president of the united states. If he wouldnt have taken an aggressive action, that teenage girl would have walked all over him, disrespected him and not have left the classroom. Then how would the entire school body view this police officer? As a puss. Sure, it was a bit too aggressive. But it has been stated that the girls actions made it look alot worse then what the officer intended.
Anyway, im done. arguing on an internet forum is pointless.
kids who are mistreated are going to become parents who mistreat their children and it is a never ending cycle until those kids are given therapy to grow into healthy adults. thats not going to fix the entire problem but it will help.
Anyways, the average police officer would not have handled that situation the way that officer fields did. it was IMO brutal, unnecessary, and probably done because he hates black people.
Mom should have beat the shit out of that kid long before the officer had to. I don't support brutality, but if parents did the right thing all of these kids would at least respect a lawful authority.
JibInMyPantsMom should have beat the shit out of that kid long before the officer had to. I don't support brutality, but if parents did the right thing all of these kids would at least respect a lawful authority.
Any parent who tells their child to blindly follow the authorities simply because they are in power is a shit parent and an idiot.
Disrespectful brat and police officer overstepping the line. Both are true. The difference is, I hold police officers to a higher standard than high school kids...
L_BAny parent who tells their child to blindly follow the authorities simply because they are in power is a shit parent and an idiot.
That was never my point. I'm talking about blatant disrespect towards an officer of the law while clearly being in the wrong. Anyone who does this isn't a social martyr, just an asshole. The parents job is to prepare the child to make their own decisions in a way that betters humanity. Not be a fucking tool...
JibInMyPantsThat was never my point. I'm talking about blatant disrespect towards an officer of the law while clearly being in the wrong. Anyone who does this isn't a social martyr, just an asshole. The parents job is to prepare the child to make their own decisions in a way that betters humanity. Not be a fucking tool...
see to me that "in the wrong" is a big part of it.
JibInMyPantsThat was never my point. I'm talking about blatant disrespect towards an officer of the law while clearly being in the wrong. Anyone who does this isn't a social martyr, just an asshole. The parents job is to prepare the child to make their own decisions in a way that betters humanity. Not be a fucking tool...
While parents are the first educators of a child, the child (in this situation) is still a being with a free will and thus solely responsible for his/her actions. Regardless of how bad or good a parent is/was, people decide their own lives through the actions they decide to do or not do. Moral responsibility is something we are all held accountable for. That goes for the girl and also the officer. Let's not blame people who were not the agents in this scenario, because then we should equally blame the parents of the officer for not teaching him how to properly handle aggressive situations.
She decided to disobey numerous authority figures. The officer decided to use excessive force. The girl should have acted differently. The officer should have acted differently. The obvious difference is that the officer is the person who acted more rashly and over-stepped his contractual and moral obligations in this scenario.
THEDIRTYBUBBLEAll joking aside, if you think the cop was out of line then you are logically impaired
Can you please be my guest and explain to me the logic of desk flipping any girl? Any logical male knows that that is never necessary.
The fact that you condone this blows my mind. What sort of judgemental fuck can call any person an entitled bitch based off of a five second video where they literally say one word. Yet are also beaten to shit.
I mean in almost every other country in the world you wouldnt get jail time for stealing someones car and here in america we feel its right to have officers at schools to deal with a girl on her phone? Please be my guest and explain to me all the fucked up drug gang activity that we need to be handling at our highschools or why cops should be there in the first place.
Being entitled is not a crime anyway. Never was, never should be. Your sick twisted form of spite based off your assumptions is absurdly concerning. You should probably go to a military academy to get rid of your pent up small dick syndrome.
JibInMyPantsThat was never my point. I'm talking about blatant disrespect towards an officer of the law while clearly being in the wrong. Anyone who does this isn't a social martyr, just an asshole. The parents job is to prepare the child to make their own decisions in a way that betters humanity. Not be a fucking tool...
Kids in school should never be arrested for being disrespectful. Even minus the horrific shitshow of that video, being disrespectful is not a crime. You may get butthurt when someone is acting entitled or disrespectful but I wouldnt wish what happened in that video on much higher forms of crime.
crime != punishment. How is anyone supporting this dude is fucking me up
I'm curious on both sides of the argument...what you would have done as the student and what would you have done as the cop?
As a student I wouldn't have been such a fucking idiot, who deserved that. And as a cop well I support what the cop did but he didn't have to do it that aggressively.
The reason I say he shouldn't have done it so aggressively is because cops have a standard, and they cannot let their emotions affect their decisions. however, here clearly frustration was a part of that slam.
RusticlesBefore she was assaulted she was not in the wrong????
naw this situation is different from what i'm talking about.
She was an idiot brat, he was an overbearing asshole.
Both probably have daddy issues.
But I don't believe in respecting cops just because they're cops, and parents regularly tell their kids that. I would hope parents would tell their kids this:
to respect the fact that the cop can use a wide range of force, respect the fact that some cops have anger managment issues/PTSD/itchy trigger fingers, and let the respect end there until they earn any more personally.
There are assholes who abuse power in every career, and people should be wary of that in every aspect of their lives. The differences with cops is the assholes get to have guns, tasers and hancuffs. So you should probably try bit harder not to piss them off than the average person, but not because you respect them as good people, but because you know how much damage they can cause in your life. If you don't react, film them, sue them, you can damage a cop's life almost as badly. You just have to remember in that moment you don't have leverage, but by being patient you can screw them over.
L_Bnaw this situation is different from what i'm talking about.
She was an idiot brat, he was an overbearing asshole.
Both probably have daddy issues.
But I don't believe in respecting cops just because they're cops, and parents regularly tell their kids that. I would hope parents would tell their kids this:
to respect the fact that the cop can use a wide range of force, respect the fact that some cops have anger managment issues/PTSD/itchy trigger fingers, and let the respect end there until they earn any more personally.
There are assholes who abuse power in every career, and people should be wary of that in every aspect of their lives. The differences with cops is the assholes get to have guns, tasers and hancuffs. So you should probably try bit harder not to piss them off than the average person, but not because you respect them as good people, but because you know how much damage they can cause in your life. If you don't react, film them, sue them, you can damage a cop's life almost as badly. You just have to remember in that moment you don't have leverage, but by being patient you can screw them over.
this is why im afraid of my brother becoming a cop (which is what he is going to be). he was raised by my grandpa who is very racist and has racist tendencies even though he claims not to be. He is also the type of person to demand respect even though he doesn't respect you. Growing up with him, he always screamed "SHOW ME RESPECT" whenever we fought, but we were always fighting because he would have hit me or taken my gameboy or did some disrespectful shit to me. which also stems from daddy issues, so here's a concept, before anyone is cop they need to go through an intensive therapy screening/sessions
L_Bnaw this situation is different from what i'm talking about.
She was an idiot brat, he was an overbearing asshole.
Both probably have daddy issues.
But I don't believe in respecting cops just because they're cops, and parents regularly tell their kids that. I would hope parents would tell their kids this:
to respect the fact that the cop can use a wide range of force, respect the fact that some cops have anger managment issues/PTSD/itchy trigger fingers, and let the respect end there until they earn any more personally.
There are assholes who abuse power in every career, and people should be wary of that in every aspect of their lives. The differences with cops is the assholes get to have guns, tasers and hancuffs. So you should probably try bit harder not to piss them off than the average person, but not because you respect them as good people, but because you know how much damage they can cause in your life. If you don't react, film them, sue them, you can damage a cop's life almost as badly. You just have to remember in that moment you don't have leverage, but by being patient you can screw them over.
True enough.
It's unfortunate that some kids don't have a parent figure that will teach them not to be shit stains in society. They should be taught to have respect for their fellow human beings regardless of skin colour, religion or occupation. That being said, they should also be taught that there are bad people in society who will not respect them as a fellow human beings, and some of them may end up in a uniform or another position of power. They should learn that although they may run into a bad cop that they're not all bad.
butterslut.this is why im afraid of my brother becoming a cop (which is what he is going to be). he was raised by my grandpa who is very racist and has racist tendencies even though he claims not to be. He is also the type of person to demand respect even though he doesn't respect you. Growing up with him, he always screamed "SHOW ME RESPECT" whenever we fought, but we were always fighting because he would have hit me or taken my gameboy or did some disrespectful shit to me. which also stems from daddy issues, so here's a concept, before anyone is cop they need to go through an intensive therapy screening/sessions
These are the kind of people that should not be cops. Is there not a portion of police training where referrals from family members are required?
For if we are to dragoon the entire youth population into vast prisons in the guise of "education," with teachers and administrators serving as surrogate wardens and guards, why should we not expect vast unhappiness, discontent, alienation, and rebellion on the part of the nation's youth? - Rothbard
The students from the school protested by staging a "walk out" and rally in SUPPORT of the officer. To me, that says a TON about the incident. When this new generation of entitled douchebags even say that the officer doesn't deserve to lose his job, people should probably think twice.
pat_in_the_hati agree, her issues should have been worked out at a younger age. With parental discipline. But not with counseling. Counseling is for parents who dont want to put the time and effort into raising their own child. They would rather let their money raise their child.
And im not even considering what the police officer did in the past. For all I care, he could have been the president of the united states. If he wouldnt have taken an aggressive action, that teenage girl would have walked all over him, disrespected him and not have left the classroom. Then how would the entire school body view this police officer? As a puss. Sure, it was a bit too aggressive. But it has been stated that the girls actions made it look alot worse then what the officer intended.
Anyway, im done. arguing on an internet forum is pointless.
Just discussing (not arguing), maybe you'll respond to me.
So are you implying that it's up to law enforcement to deal our children and their issues? That's our tax dollars, and while I don't mind paying taxes, I sure as hell would rather have you pay for your kids to go to counseling than to have tax funded law enforcement teach them discipline and to respect authority.
Besides, who cares of the girl walks over him? He's in a position of authority that should be self-fulfilling - he doesn't need to derive his authority from the way others treat him. He has authority because it was granted to him by the governing body. I argue that as an officer of the law, he needs to be above the bullshit he deals with. That's his responsibility. I argue that when he let her get to him and let things escalate, he was stooping to her level.
CoreyTrevorgirls a lil disrespectful bitch.
this nations gone to shit.
cop went a little far maybe, but doesnt anyone with a fuckin pulse know you never touch a cop? she had it coming, fuck her
You're absolutely right that she is shitty and disrespectful. However, that doesn't excuse his actions. What you've done here is basically victim blaming, akin to saying "she was asking for it that night, what did she expect wearing those clothes."
With great power comes great responsibility. Our law enforcement officers should expected to be held to a higher standard. They are given authority so that they can enforce rules that society agrees upon, and though yes, they are human too, when they succumb to their emotions and biases and prejudices and let them influence their actions, they have failed at the duty that society has asked of them and the merit of their authority needs to come into question. He absolutely deserved to be fired.
jblaskiThe students from the school protested by staging a "walk out" and rally in SUPPORT of the officer. To me, that says a TON about the incident. When this new generation of entitled douchebags even say that the officer doesn't deserve to lose his job, people should probably think twice.
What you're forgetting is that those resource officers usually have good relationships with students. They're almost like a second father to some of the kids. So off course the kids are going to be upset when he gets fired.
mirozJust discussing (not arguing), maybe you'll respond to me.
So are you implying that it's up to law enforcement to deal our children and their issues? That's our tax dollars, and while I don't mind paying taxes, I sure as hell would rather have you pay for your kids to go to counseling than to have tax funded law enforcement teach them discipline and to respect authority.
not at all man. I was saying that her parents should have raised a more respecting child. police interaction is the final straw. If I were her parents, she would be shipped away for boarding school or in bootcamp for the army, depending on her age
pat_in_the_hatnot at all man. I was saying that her parents should have raised a more respecting child. police interaction is the final straw. If I were her parents, she would be shipped away for boarding school or in bootcamp for the army, depending on her age
I don't really know how old you are but think back to your time at school and your friends. How many kids did you know that were angels to their parents and brats in the classroom???
