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Touring toe with an alpine heel?

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The_Economist
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In the name of my wallet I was thinking about how I could get a cheaper a/t setup. My thoughts were using a rossi fks heel with some dynafit speed radical toes, replacing the brake on the heel with a climbing bail. I am not super informed about touring so I don't know if this would work or not? Can anyone help me out?
Oct 16 2015 3:09PM
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soup
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hat sounds like a horrible idea. theres so many variables going into that sketchy setup that its more of a headache than not.

why not go with a guardian/duke style option? can pick those up super cheap.

or use this system http://casttouring.com/ . Its what you described except without the sketch factor. again, priicey but bomb proof and a solid option.
Oct 17 2015 8:03PM
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Literature
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I don't think you're wrong conceptually.

We all want the ease of a tech system on the up with the security and releasability of FKS on the down; nobody has yet created that binding. So there's the work arounds, like the Cast System, and there are some interesting options like the Beast, but nothing perfect yet.

Really, a binding that's laterally releasable and tours like the tech system would be the current state of the art. Pin tech is thirty years old. I don't know about you, but if I was using thirty year old ideas in the rest of my life I'd be sort of baffled.
Oct 26 2015 11:30PM
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cobra_commander
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Pivot heel, TR2 toe

Find a way to keep the breaks up (rubber band) or cut them off, spin the heel around as your (steep as fuck) climb bar

No approach mode.
Oct 26 2015 11:45PM
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BlackcountryBill
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cobra_commanderPivot heel, TR2 toe

Find a way to keep the breaks up (rubber band) or cut them off, spin the heel around as your (steep as fuck) climb bar

No approach mode.


I think there would be an issue with the forward pressure needed for the heel preloading the pins.

OT I know but...
That being said, I've been thinking (hypothetically) about frankenbindings, is there any reason if you could validate forward pressure you couldn't mix and match alpine toes and heels?
Oct 27 2015 11:40AM
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ChasingFlakes
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http://skimo.co/dynafit-speed-turn-bindings

preeeeeeeaty cheap
Oct 27 2015 10:18PM
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ChasingFlakes
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http://skimo.co/dynafit-speed-turn-bindings

preeeeeeeaty cheap
Oct 27 2015 10:18PM
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cydwhit
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ChasingFlakeshttp://skimo.co/dynafit-speed-turn-bindings

preeeeeeeaty cheap


Not to derail your thread OP, but does anyone have coherent opinion about these vs Speed Radicals?

Was gonna hop on some Speed Radicals since I found them on sale for $240 but they went off sale as soon as I decided to snag them.


Looks like the biggest difference is the heal riser and the lack of power towers, both of which seem like they could be potentially pretty frustrating?
Oct 28 2015 12:26AM
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LC.
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cydwhitNot to derail your thread OP, but does anyone have coherent opinion about these vs Speed Radicals?

Was gonna hop on some Speed Radicals since I found them on sale for $240 but they went off sale as soon as I decided to snag them.


Looks like the biggest difference is the heal riser and the lack of power towers, both of which seem like they could be potentially pretty frustrating?


The heels are more durable but you don't get the Radical toe and only they go to 10 instead of 12. Shop friend of mine skis them instead of Speed Radicals.
Oct 28 2015 4:57AM
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ChasingFlakes
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BoaxThe heels are more durable but you don't get the Radical toe and only they go to 10 instead of 12. Shop friend of mine skis them instead of Speed Radicals.


speed radicals only have a "din" rating of ten as well. The difference is the heel. The they flippy down bits and the speed turns have spinny turny bits. as far as i can tell thats the difference.
Oct 28 2015 2:10PM
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cydwhit
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BoaxThe heels are more durable but you don't get the Radical toe and only they go to 10 instead of 12. Shop friend of mine skis them instead of Speed Radicals.


ChasingFlakesspeed radicals only have a "din" rating of ten as well. The difference is the heel. The they flippy down bits and the speed turns have spinny turny bits. as far as i can tell thats the difference.



Yeah, I might snag some just cause. I don't care about the release rating really, and as Flakes said they are both 10. Biggest concern is that I am not so coordinated so getting into toes without the power tower may end up sucking, and having to spin that heal for risers may suck too. But they are cheap and I need to work on my coordination anyway...

They are going to go on some Steeple 102's that I'm not gonna be hucking on at all (not that I huck much anyway, more just explosive crashing.)
Oct 28 2015 2:34PM
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ChasingFlakes
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cydwhitYeah, I might snag some just cause. I don't care about the release rating really, and as Flakes said they are both 10. Biggest concern is that I am not so coordinated so getting into toes without the power tower may end up sucking, and having to spin that heal for risers may suck too. But they are cheap and I need to work on my coordination anyway...

They are going to go on some Steeple 102's that I'm not gonna be hucking on at all (not that I huck much anyway, more just explosive crashing.)


nice! they will be fine. Takes some getting used too but once you you learn to spin them with your pole it's pretty damn quick. I had the chance to ski with the president of the acmg * at the time * in whistler and he told me if you are using the heel risers you should lower the angle of the skin track. Seemed like a knowledgeable enough dude lol
Oct 28 2015 3:17PM
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cydwhit
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ChasingFlakesnice! they will be fine. Takes some getting used too but once you you learn to spin them with your pole it's pretty damn quick. I had the chance to ski with the president of the acmg * at the time * in whistler and he told me if you are using the heel risers you should lower the angle of the skin track. Seemed like a knowledgeable enough dude lol


I like it, a lot of the smartest skinners I've been out with have that attitude, they don't care so much about skin grip or steepness, they just pick a really smart, often les steep line and stick with it. I'll probably hop on those.
Oct 28 2015 3:22PM
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LC.
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Speed Radical toe with Speed Turn heel would be the best combination I think. I thought that's what the Speed Turn 2 was going to be but it's not a Radical toe on that.

I asked a strong ski partner what he'd get, he said he'd rather go with the Radical toe because Radicals have allowed him to ski confidently with the toe unlocked for the first time. My shop friend went for Speed Turns himself for the heel durability and price. In the end I stuck with my Plums, they work and turning the heel by hand really isn't a big deal.
Oct 28 2015 6:08PM
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Pmoore
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Trekkers.


I don't understand everyones fear of trekkers, a million times less sketchy then what OP is describing, easy on the wallet, and you have a trusted binding on the way down.
Oct 29 2015 8:58PM
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ChasingFlakes
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PmooreTrekkers.


I don't understand everyones fear of trekkers, a million times less sketchy then what OP is describing, easy on the wallet, and you have a trusted binding on the way down.


At the price of a used pair of dukes it's hard to go the trekker route but honestly they we're THAT bad. They do work and the pivot point is actually nicer than most frame bindings. Heavy, awkward , tall and you need to pack them. Better than what OP is describing, agreed
Oct 30 2015 2:05AM
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LC.
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I just bought some Trekkers again. As I have always said, they have their place.
Oct 30 2015 5:01AM
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infedel_one
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ummmm really surprised nobody has mentioned this system. These homies, rad ass skiers on the tour, designed and made these. check em out!
http://casttouring.com
Nov 4 2015 9:56PM
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DBack1321
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Marker Kingpin? It's essentially what you want, but pricey.
Nov 8 2015 1:26AM
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ChasingFlakes
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infedel_oneummmm really surprised nobody has mentioned this system. These homies, rad ass skiers on the tour, designed and made these. check em out!
http://casttouring.com


its just so fucking expensive. Great idea but if you don't have a compatible binding boot combo already it's really a stretch.
Nov 8 2015 3:20PM
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